NRO Standing Athwart Trumpism

 

NR-Against-TrumpNational Review, the venerable conservative institution founded by William F. Buckley, has just released an unprecedented special issue titled “Against Trump.”

Editor Rich Lowry reached out to a wide variety of conservative writers to register their disagreement with the GOP frontrunner. Authors include Thomas Sowell, William Kristol, Glenn Beck, Erick Erickson, and of course NR’s editors who prefaced the issue with a blistering editorial:

Donald Trump leads the polls nationally and in most states in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. There are understandable reasons for his eminence, and he has shown impressive gut-level skill as a campaigner. But he is not deserving of conservative support in the caucuses and primaries. Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones.

Trump’s political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Bernie Sanders have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.) Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it…

Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism. Trump nevertheless offers a valuable warning for the Republican party. If responsible men irresponsibly ignore an issue as important as immigration, it will be taken up by the reckless. If they cannot explain their Beltway maneuvers — worse, if their maneuvering is indefensible — they will be rejected by their own voters. If they cannot advance a compelling working-class agenda, the legitimate anxieties and discontents of blue-collar voters will be exploited by demagogues. We sympathize with many of the complaints of Trump supporters about the GOP, but that doesn’t make the mogul any less flawed a vessel for them.

What do you think, Ricochetti? Will this issue make self-described conservatives think twice about supporting Trump, or will it only fuel their contempt for inside-the-Beltway thinking?

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  1. Whiskey Sam Inactive
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    Judge Mental:Are they going to do another special issue next week, “Against Cruz”? They don’t like him any better than Trump.

    Except for Nordlinger.  He’s been a supporter of Cruz since before he was a Senator.

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  2. Quinn the Eskimo Member
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    In Thursday’s Morning Jolt, Jim Geraghty wrote:

    Let me offer a thought that every conservative should contemplate, even though it’s one we would rather avoid: What if the American people don’t want smaller government that spends less?

    This is where we usually hear talk about how small-government conservatives need ‘better messaging.” Or someone will insist that there’s a broad desire for a smaller government that spends less, but those Washington insiders and Establishment sold out the conservative agenda. But what if Americans have heard the arguments for smaller government, understand the arguments — or understand them as well as they’re ever going to — and have rejected them?

    I suppose this is part of a last crack at this one.  I also think I know how this one turns out.

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  3. San Joaquin Sam Inactive
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    9thDistrictNeighbor:

    EHerring: National Review is now trending on Twitter because of this article.

    Jack Fowler is furiously engaging with anyone right now…right off the deep end.

    I just took a look at his timeline and saw this laugher:

    is conservative journal, not GOP Huckster Monthly.”

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  4. Brian Watt Inactive
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    San Joaquin Sam:

    Brian Watt:

    You’re about to live it more intensely if Trump is elected.

    How?

    San Joaquin Sam:

    Brian Watt:

    You’re about to live it more intensely if Trump is elected.

    How?

    I believe both I and Drew answered that question if you read our comments above. Or you could read the entire National Review issue.

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  5. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Brian Watt: I believe both I and Drew answered that question if you read our comments above. Or you could read the entire National Review issue.

    But they’re the Establishment, so everything they say is wrong.

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  6. Paul Dougherty Member
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    Thomas Sowell.

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  7. Douglas Inactive
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    San Joaquin Sam:

    Brian Watt:

    You’re about to live it more intensely if Trump is elected.

    How?

    A disaster of biblical proportions. Old Testament, Sam, real wrath of God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!  The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

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  8. San Joaquin Sam Inactive
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    You mentioned this:

    Brian Watt: Brian Watt: But nominating an unprincipled, vulgar, lazy and quite ignorant narcissist who conjures up the worst demons of people’s natures is not the answer. It is a path to disaster for the country.

    …and then this:

    Brian Watt:

    You’re about to live it more intensely if Trump is elected.

    I’m curious about the “more intensely” part.

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  9. San Joaquin Sam Inactive
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    Douglas: A disaster of biblical proportions. Old Testament, Sam, real wrath of God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

    Ha, a man can dream…

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  10. TKC1101 Member
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    It is indeed a time of choosing. Apparently the good people I know who support Mr Trump ‘are like dogs’.

    If I need help or need someone to watch my back, I would trust them. They are savvy and tired of being spit on.

    I can live with any one of three candidates, but the level of bile here is getting my cussedness up.

    If you keep trashing the voters, they will get your message.

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  11. San Joaquin Sam Inactive
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    Valiuth:Who honestly thinks that anyone who reads NRO actually supports Trump? Trump supporters don’t read political journals. Plus his supporters are like dogs. They don’t respond to the words he uses but rather his tone. Argument is a waste of time.

    Like dogs, huh?

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  12. Brian Watt Inactive
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    San Joaquin Sam:You mentioned this:

    Brian Watt: Brian Watt: But nominating an unprincipled, vulgar, lazy and quite ignorant narcissist who conjures up the worst demons of people’s natures is not the answer. It is a path to disaster for the country.

    …and then this:

    Brian Watt:

    You’re about to live it more intensely if Trump is elected.

    I’m curious about the “more intensely” part.

    So, tell me…what do you think the effect will be on the economy if Trump is successful in pushing through single-payer health care as he promised to do? Or is this just typical Trump BS and we’re not to take him at his word?

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  13. Douglas Inactive
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    San Joaquin Sam:

    Valiuth:Who honestly thinks that anyone who reads NRO actually supports Trump? Trump supporters don’t read political journals. Plus his supporters are like dogs. They don’t respond to the words he uses but rather his tone. Argument is a waste of time.

    Like dogs, huh?

    He’s just teaching us how to win friends and influence people.

    Honestly, when I read his post, and he wrote “dogs”, in my head I heard it in SuperVillain voice. That kind of low, Dr. Doom-speak telling Mr. Fantastic what a weak fool and inferior intellect he was compared to Doom!

    Dogs! Dogs, I tell you!

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  14. Tom Riehl Member
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    NR has been predictable and steadfast in opposition to any faction that upsets the beltway gravy train.  They want to remain comfortable as the opposition party, with no responsibility, just extremely remunerative sinecures.

    Where, oh where did John Derbyshire and Ann Coulter go?  Why did NR dis Steyn?  Follow the money, as always.

    Funny and ironic fact is that they will end up helping Trump.  Good.

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  15. San Joaquin Sam Inactive
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    Brian Watt: So, tell me…what do you think the effect will be on the economy if Trump is successful in pushing through single-payer health care as he promised to do? Or is this just typical Trump BS and we’re not to take him at his word?

    I’m not being snarky with you so cool down a bit.

    I think single-payer is bad news for both cost and quality of medical services.  Has this campaign made this promise?  That would be left up to congress to pass; however, I suppose I wouldn’t put it past them for the right amount of pork.

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  16. Tom Riehl Member
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    San Joaquin Sam:

    EHerring: I think the country will never be the same after this election.

    Really, this is the election that would make the populace irredeemable in your eyes?

    I certainly hope not!  We don’t want the country to ever again be the same as it is now.

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  17. Tom Riehl Member
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    Brian Watt:As one commenter ..

    But nominating an unprincipled, vulgar, lazy and quite ignorant narcissist who conjures up the worst demons of people’s natures is not the answer. It is a path to disaster for the country. Unfortunately it is a path that enough of the equally unprincipled or loose principled electorate may push us all down and ironically they may be the first to be hurt by their decision to elevate this kind of man to the presidency.

    We’re in strange territory now. Fasten your seatbelts. It only gets more intense going forward.

    Lotta bad words.

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  18. Tom Riehl Member
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    Valiuth:Who honestly thinks that anyone who reads NRO actually supports Trump? Trump supporters don’t read political journals. Plus his supporters are like dogs. They don’t respond to the words he uses but rather his tone. Argument is a waste of time.

    Where’s the CoC when I read stuff like this.  Woof, woof.

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  19. Brian Watt Inactive
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    San Joaquin Sam:

    Brian Watt: So, tell me…what do you think the effect will be on the economy if Trump is successful in pushing through single-payer health care as he promised to do? Or is this just typical Trump BS and we’re not to take him at his word?

    I’m not being snarky with you so cool down a bit.

    Who’s hot?

    I think single-payer is bad news for both cost and quality of medical services. Has this campaign made this promise?

    Trump proposed it in September and hasn’t backed off the remarks.

    That would be left up to congress to pass; however, I suppose I wouldn’t put it passed them for the right amount of pork.

    Well, then given that Congress can’t be trusted (and who knows what the Congress will look like post election and two and four years hence after a Trump administration) you should be concerned maybe even very concerned that there is a chance it could be passed.

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  20. EHerring Coolidge
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    San Joaquin Sam:

    EHerring: I think the country will never be the same after this election.

    Really, this is the election that would make the populace irredeemable in your eyes?

    No, will make the country too far gone to save.

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  21. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Tom Riehl:

    Brian Watt:As one commenter ..

    But nominating an unprincipled, vulgar, lazy and quite ignorant narcissist who conjures up the worst demons of people’s natures is not the answer. It is a path to disaster for the country. Unfortunately it is a path that enough of the equally unprincipled or loose principled electorate may push us all down and ironically they may be the first to be hurt by their decision to elevate this kind of man to the presidency.

    We’re in strange territory now. Fasten your seatbelts. It only gets more intense going forward.

    Lotta bad words.

    Yes, it’s unfortunate that I and others have to use them. We use them because they accurately define the man in question.

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  22. EHerring Coolidge
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    So the RNC has now dis-invited NR from hosting the debate….it seems they want a more unbiased host, like the MSM.  I guess Reince P. thinks the MSM would be less biased.  huh

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  23. The Reticulator Member
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    EHerring:So the RNC has now dis-invited NR from hosting the debate….

    ?

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  24. San Joaquin Sam Inactive
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    Brian Watt: It already has – just read some of the vile comments on Breitbart.com or from some on Facebook that are sometimes openly anti-Semitic or racist.

    I can’t say I gauge the state of civil society through the comments sections of websites (I fully understand the irony as I type this, heh) and I’ve never used facebook.

    I used to think that because we live in a democracy, politics is something that should be taken seriously; that the electoral cycle, especially the presidential cycle, is an opportunity for the country to have a serious conversation about the direction and future of the nation, stuff like that.  So an earlier me may have shared in your desire of the diplomat/statesman/gentleman persona candidate (though in reality no politician is actually these things).  After 2012 it occurred to me that I don’t live in the country I thought I did; that my fellow countrymen don’t think the same way I do; that I really can’t consider a large portion of people living in this country as my fellow countrymen even.

    I like that Trump fights and “punches back twice as hard” as your “only metaphorically speaking” Obama is allowed to say.  I’m glad both George Soros and NRO share the same opinion about the guy.  I enjoy seeing journalists apoplectic.  But liking Trump as a candidate isn’t about spite towards these groups of people, it’s merely a feature.  And polite conservative candidates have done nothing to advance conservative policies as far as I can tell.  Sure we’re not living in a communist hell, but that is hardly something for the GOP to brag about (not to mention we do live in a nearly cronyist hell).

    I’ll end up voting for whomever the GOP nominates which is more than GOPe types can say for themselves

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  25. San Joaquin Sam Inactive
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    As a paying member I fully understand Ricochet is in many ways forum.nro.com, so I am in no way surprised Trump is so reviled here; however, I do find the enmity toward fellow right leaning people surprising.

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  26. Brian Watt Inactive
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    San Joaquin Sam:

    Brian Watt:Trump proposed it in September and hasn’t backed off the remarks.

    He’s definitely been all over the place with it. This from an interview with Brett Baier:

    “What I’d like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state …..Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can’t take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system.”

    Brian Watt: you should be concerned maybe even very concerned that there is a chance it could be passed.

    Considering Romney’s mess in Massachusetts (that which I believe NRO supported), should I have been gravely concerned about voting for him?

    Quibbling about Trump’s health care reform proposals–or incoherence on this issue, like every politician–does nothing to answer my original question. You suggested Trump’s very nature will bring out the worst in people in an unprecedented way. How?

    It already has – just read some of the vile comments on Breitbart.com or from some on Facebook that are sometimes openly anti-Semitic or racist. On this site I was told that Trump’s remark that a Black Lives Matter heckler “probably should have been roughed up” wasn’t that big of a deal or an encouragement to violence and it would only be significant if a body was found floating face down in a river…so, the logic is essentially that anything short of that wouldn’t be a big deal. Keep in mind that no other presidential candidate – ever – has encouraged his or her supporters to rough someone up. Obama has come close with his bring a gun to a knife fight comment…which can be explained away as a metaphor. Trump wasn’t speaking metaphorically.

    When Trump alluded to Megyn Kelly’s hygiene (which he denied) many Trump supporters were more graphic and obscene about Kelly on Breitbart and other sites.

    I’ve been following presidential politics since 1968 and have never seen a candidate as vulgar and insulting as Donald Trump is to anyone who disagrees with him or catches him making a gaffe or unknowledgeable about an issue he clearly should know something about. Even imitating a physically handicapped reporter. Show me any politician who has done that speaking before a crowd.

    So, yes, I would say that that is unprecedented.

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  27. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Mike LaRoche:Bring back John O’Sullivan.

    I think he writes for them occasionally.

    It sounds like a good move.  They were against Trump anyway, although I actually skipped or turned off the last Mad Dogs podcast after NR decided to side with New York values against Ted Cruz.

    Trump might make a good president, but he could be a complete disaster or a complete … something else.

    Celebrity status is now the prerequisite to become president?  That’s not a good sign for the future.  Count the number of Hollywood conservative celebrities versus non-conservative celebrities.  Yikes.

    None of this crap would have happened, if the Republican Party hadn’t been siding with the Democrats regarding the issue of importing more Democrat voters for the past 50+ years since President Eisenhower.  They have no one to blame except themselves.

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  28. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    It’s about bloody time. Trump is not a conservative and I peg him for a False Flag Operation- a life-long Democrat who has never even voted in a Republican primary and a pro-death abortion defender whose egomaniac grab for the GOP’s nomination represents nothing but crass opportunism. One could hardly design a more Herbblockian caricature of a Republican than what Trump actually is and the folk at NR should have handed this collective condemnation out months ago. Thanks and cheers to all who finally did.

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  29. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Brian Watt:

    Tom Riehl:

    Brian Watt:As one commenter ..

    But nominating an unprincipled, vulgar, lazy and quite ignorant narcissist who conjures up the worst demons of people’s natures is not the answer. It is a path to disaster for the country. Unfortunately it is a path that enough of the equally unprincipled or loose principled electorate may push us all down and ironically they may be the first to be hurt by their decision to elevate this kind of man to the presidency.

    We’re in strange territory now. Fasten your seatbelts. It only gets more intense going forward.

    Lotta bad words.

    Yes, it’s unfortunate that I and others have to use them. We use them because they accurately define the man in question.

    We should start referring to him as the insufficiently reviled Donald Trump.

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  30. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    San Joaquin Sam:As a paying member I fully understand Ricochet is in many ways forum.nro.com, so I am in no way surprised Trump is so reviled here; however, I do find the enmity toward fellow right leaning people surprising.

    Indeed.

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