Gouging the Friendly Skies

 

A month ago, I flew to Austin to give a brief talk at the Texas Public Policy Foundation. When I contacted the folks at TPPF to make travel arrangements, I suggested direct flights on Delta from the Detroit airport to Austin and back, and they got back to me a day later to say that the cost was excessive. So, being accommodating, I flew down via Houston on one airline (I forget which) and back on Delta through Atlanta.

There was one problem — the weather — and it was compounded by the need to change planes in Atlanta. I finally got home at 4:30 a.m. — which reminded me why I prefer direct flights.

I thought little about this episode until yesterday. I am slated to give a talk at Villanova University on Constitution Day in mid-September. I went to Orbitz to check out the flights and found that the American, US Airways, and Delta are all charging $1204. For $1300, I learned, I could fly first class.

Of course, if I was willing to go through Chicago or Atlanta, the price would be $350-$500. If I could figure out how to get to O’Hare by car, it would be $119-$134. From South Bend through Detroit, it would be $357.70. Think about that one. It shows that the issue is not a lack of seats on flights running from Detroit to Philadelphia.

Eventually, I got in touch with the folks at Villanova, and I bought a ticket on Frontier from Detroit to Trenton, New Jersey for $144. The driver they send to pick me up will have to go an extra 20 miles, and the airfare for which they will have to reimburse me will go down by $1060.

This got me to thinking, “What is going on?” So I looked into direct flights in mid-September to Austin. From Detroit? $1102. From O’Hare? $199-$353. From South Bend through Detroit on Delta? $714. From South Bend on another carrier through Chicago, $528.

There is a pattern here that would bear further exploration. Something there is that does not like eastern Michigan.

If I were Governor of Michigan or a Senator from Michigan, I would make a stink. US Airways and American are, for all intents and purposes, one airline. Before long their merger will be complete, and US Airways will disappear.

The real question is whether there is collusion between American and Delta to gouge passengers flying out of Detroit.

Am I missing something? Is there another explanation? Is this sort of thing going on elsewhere? Is this what airline consolidation will bring throughout the country?

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  1. MarciN Member
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    Wait until “disparate impact” kicks in. My head is spinning with how many new variables will be factored in to our economics discussions.

    Hello insanity.

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  2. iWc Coolidge
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    Paul A. Rahe: My argument is that something fishy is going on in the Detroit market (which is clear from the data) and that it may have to do with an emerging lack of competition and a collusion between the two remaining airlines who fly this route nonstop.

    This is, of course, quite so. Many studies have shown that prices from dominant hubs (airports with one big carrier handling 40%+ of the flights) are MUCH higher.

    Living in a hub city is more expensive – but the flights are more convenient.

    Airlines “wink and nod” collude all the time. The solution is found with more competition – Frontier/Spirit/Jetblue/Virgin America, etc.

    In Europe the competition is MUCH fiercer, and prices are lower.  Here is the data.

    Carriers in North America are expected to generate a profit of $15.7 billion (up from $11.2 billion in 2014) for a net margin of 7.5%. On a per passenger basis this translates to an average profit of $18.12.

    Asia-Pacific : Carriers in the Asia-Pacific region are expected to generate a $5.1 billion profit for a 2.5% net margin ($4.24/passenger).

    Europe : European airlines are expected to post a collective profit of $5.8 billion in 2015 for net margin of 2.8% ($6.30/per passenger).

    Latin America : Latin American airlines are expected to return a net profit of $600 million for a net margin of 1.8% ($2.27/passenger).

    Middle East : Middle Eastern airlines are expected to post a collective $1.8 billion net return for 2015 for an average net margin of 3.1% ($9.61/passenger).  [These numbers are largely “cooked” by the way]

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  3. Paul A. Rahe Member
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    iWe:

    Paul A. Rahe: My argument is that something fishy is going on in the Detroit market (which is clear from the data) and that it may have to do with an emerging lack of competition and a collusion between the two remaining airlines who fly this route nonstop.

    This is, of course, quite so. Many studies have shown that prices from dominant hubs (airports with one big carrier handling 40%+ of the flights) are MUCH higher.

    Living in a hub city is more expensive – but the flights are more convenient.

    Airlines “wink and nod” collude all the time. The solution is found with more competition – Frontier/Spirit/Jetblue/Virgin America, etc.

    In Europe the competition is MUCH fiercer, and prices are lower. Here is the data.

    Carriers in North America are expected to generate a profit of $15.7 billion (up from $11.2 billion in 2014) for a net margin of 7.5%. On a per passenger basis this translates to an average profit of $18.12.

    Asia-Pacific : Carriers in the Asia-Pacific region are expected to generate a $5.1 billion profit for a 2.5% net margin ($4.24/passenger).

    Europe : European airlines are expected to post a collective profit of $5.8 billion in 2015 for net margin of 2.8% ($6.30/per passenger).

    Latin America : Latin American airlines are expected to return a net profit of $600 million for a net margin of 1.8% ($2.27/passenger).

    Middle East : Middle Eastern airlines are expected to post a collective $1.8 billion net return for 2015 for an average net margin of 3.1% ($9.61/passenger). [These numbers are largely “cooked” by the way]

    This all sounds right to me. If there is further consolidation, the competitive world described in many of the posts above will disappear, and the gouging will begin . . . as it has on selected routes from DTW.

    The real problem is that the costs of market entry are so high, and the airports can handle only so many planes.

    Trenton is, I suspect, underserved, and Frontier is taking advantage of that.

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  4. Paul A. Rahe Member
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    Brad2971:

    Paul A. Rahe:

    No, they are not lower. I put in 9/16/2015 for the trip out and 9/17/2015 for the trip back, and I got precisely the same prices I got yesterday — $1204.19 on all three airlines.

    You were looking at prices a couple of days out — when, given supply and demand pressures, they might well be lower . . . or higher.

    I am talking about prices at a time when they do not yet know the demand, and the prices I found for Austin were calculated in precisely the same fashion.

    Let me add that I used precisely the same scheme to price flights from South Bend and O’Hare

    I don’t know what your feelings are toward Southwest, but I plugged in the dates you gave, and got a round trip from DTW-AUS (via Chicago Midway) of $304. Maybe the TPPF is trying to encourage you to utilize Southwest to save THEM costs.

    Or, if you’re trying to get to PHL on that date, the round trip (again, via MDW!) is $326. That’s if I misunderstood what places you were going.

    The key issue here is that these Southwest flights are not direct, nonstop flights. I can find plenty of one-stop flights (generally requiring that I change planes) at reasonable prices. But, as I said in the post, one pays for these in another way — time in every case, fairly often with serious delays and missed connections. I do not mind paying a bit more for a direct flight, but $1204 for a fairly short hop? That is highway robbery. Some will call it “optimization”; I call it gouging. We both mean the same thing — in the absence of real competition, the market fails to deliver the goods at a reasonable price.

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  5. iWc Coolidge
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    Paul A. Rahe:The real problem is that the costs of market entry are so high, and the airports can handle only so many planes.

    Oddly enough, this is not really so.

    Here is an example: Gatwick airport, with a single runway, serves 38 million passengers a year. The busiest US airport with only one runway? San Diego, at half that number.

    There is room. And competition will cycle the monopolies away. It always does, as long as the government does not step in to support the more powerful airlines.

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  6. iWc Coolidge
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    Paul A. Rahe: That is highway robbery. Some will call it “optimization”; I call it gouging. We both mean the same thing — in the absence of real competition, the market fails to deliver the goods at a reasonable price.

    But that is the beauty of gouging! It attracts competition, which is precisely the cure for the diseases. Price fixing, by contrast, just limits supply.

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  7. Douglas Inactive
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    iWe:There is room. And competition will cycle the monopolies away. It always does, as long as the government does not step in to support the more powerful airlines.

    Your faith in pure markets triumphing over government power and human nature is amusing.

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  8. AIG Inactive
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    dittoheadadt: It’s not that at all.  As he said, he’s not looking at the big picture (e.g. “the stock market”), he’s looking at specific routes (e.g. “one stock”) that he’s familiar with. And after following that one stock closely, he’s suddenly seeing wild price fluctuations that aren’t easily explained, that he’s trying to understand.

    That’s the point: looking at one flight on one day, and then seeing something “nefarious” about it.

    You got to look at the big picture. And no, I’m no saying stock prices. They tell you nothing. I’m saying you got to look at how this industry competes and operates to see why there’s nothing “nefarious” about it.

    You don’t have to understand why they’re doing what they’re doing on that 1 instance. Because you can’t. But that doesn’t mean “gouging” or “collusion”.

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  9. AIG Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball: I may regret saying this, but I agree with 98% of what AIG has said here.

    Only in Obama’s America!

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  10. iWc Coolidge
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    Douglas:

    iWe:There is room. And competition will cycle the monopolies away. It always does, as long as the government does not step in to support the more powerful airlines.

    Your faith in pure markets triumphing over government power and human nature is amusing.

    Whenever monopolies have existed in history, they have been part of a cycle – they always cease, unless and until the government enshrines them in law or regulation.

    This is not faith. It is simple analysis of history.

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  11. iWc Coolidge
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    AIG:But that doesn’t mean “gouging” or “collusion”.

    I was at an industry event where the CEO of Norwegian said, effectively, “If fuel prices go down, I think airlines will have the self restraint to hold prices steady.”

    A Ryanair Executive on the panel answered: “If fuel prices go down, there will be a bloodbath, because we are going to lower prices right along with it.”

    Airline executives want to limit capacity growth in the US, and they are doing it OK right now. But already some are “cheating” – and the industry will, over the next few years, return to break-even status.

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  12. Paul A. Rahe Member
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    For what it is worth, I think that iWe has it more or less right. Collusion does exist; monopolies and duopolies do appear. Price-gouging does take place. But where market entry is relatively easy, the gouging does not last very long.

    I hope that the last bit is correct, anyway. For the situation of those of us who do brief trips away from home, using Detroit as our main airport has become unpleasant, and there is a clear correlation between high prices on certain routes and a decline in competition on those same routes. USAir — not my favorite airline — used to provide a certain discipline to the market by undercutting the fares offered by its rivals. American’s purchase of USAir seems to have changed the rules of the game.

    It would be a fine thing if Frontier were to expand its offerings. I would look to Southwest were it not for the fact that its business model these days resembles that of Delta, United, and American.

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  13. iWc Coolidge
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    Paul A. Rahe:It would be a fine thing if Frontier were to expand its offerings. I would look to Southwest were it not for the fact that its business model these days resembles that of Delta, United, and American.

    Frontier, Virgin America, JetBlue, Allegiant and Spirit are the comparative upstarts that will pressure or crack the majors. On competitive routes, prices equilibrate to what is basically a break-even posture.

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  14. Ricochet Member
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    iWe:

    AIG: The only way the others have managed to survive is by lowering their prices to match Southwest, even though it’s mostly bleeding them red (because they can’t cost structures as low as Southwest)

    AIG, Southwest’s prices are no longer the lowest. Nor are their costs. They, for example, always use their own unionized staff for ground services instead of using the lowest-cost provider.

    There was a time… but that time is gone.

    I’d be careful about “in-house” staff being always more expensive than getting a vendor (BTW, Southwest is known for being the most unionized airline in the country). There’s been a decent amount of research the last few years which suggest that the cost differences between vendor and in-house have gone down precipitously. Frontier Communications, for example, famously brought all its customer service in-house in 2012, and have not seen any appreciable increases in cost.

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    iWe: iWe Paul A. Rahe: My argument is that something fishy is going on in the Detroit market (which is clear from the data) and that it may have to do with an emerging lack of competition and a collusion between the two remaining airlines who fly this route nonstop. This is, of course, quite so. Many studies have shown that prices from dominant hubs (airports with one big carrier handling 40%+ of the flights) are MUCH higher. Living in a hub city is more expensive – but the flights are more convenient.

    Denver, Phoenix, and Dallas-Ft Worth greatly beg to differ with the last sentence. Of course, it helps (in all three areas) to be a hub/focus city for multiple airlines.

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    iWe:

    AIG:But that doesn’t mean “gouging” or “collusion”.

    I was at an industry event where the CEO of Norwegian said, effectively, “If fuel prices go down, I think airlines will have the self restraint to hold prices steady.”

    A Ryanair Executive on the panel answered: “If fuel prices go down, there will be a bloodbath, because we are going to lower prices right along with it.”

    Airline executives want to limit capacity growth in the US, and they are doing it OK right now. But already some are “cheating” – and the industry will, over the next few years, return to break-even status.

    You know, it’ll be amusing to watch the EU go through its deregulation phase within the next 1-2 decades. It’ll be even more interesting to see the airline purges on the Continent. Imagine major EU nations not having their own national airline anymore.

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  17. AIG Inactive
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    iWe: Airline executives want to limit capacity growth in the US, and they are doing it OK right now. But already some are “cheating” – and the industry will, over the next few years, return to break-even status.

    So…no collusion.

    Paul A. Rahe: For what it is worth, I think that iWe has it more or less right. Collusion does exist; monopolies and duopolies do appear. Price-gouging does take place. But where market entry is relatively easy, the gouging does not last very long.

    “Collusion” where the next alternative is 10 times cheaper, as you yourself found…is hardly “collusion”.

    Price gouging is a pejorative for “profits”.

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  18. Ricochet Inactive
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    Brad2971: I’d be careful about “in-house” staff being always more expensive than getting a vendor (BTW, Southwest is known for being the most unionized airline in the country). There’s been a decent amount of research the last few years which suggest that the cost differences between vendor and in-house have gone down precipitously.

    The airline business is a bit different. In a hub, the differences don’t have to be significant. In fact, the greater in-house control can give you a competitive advantage. But with out-stations you might find in-house people not working enough to make competitive sense. There, a third-party or two which service multiple airlines can provide real advantages.

    I’d be curious if Detroit doesn’t have other specialized issues. There are a lot of government and giant corporate flights there. Non-stop might be a standard requirement for people above a certain level, but first class might be verboten for those same folks. I could imagine this sort of requirement really messing with pricing.

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  19. Ricochet Inactive
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    To expand. Generally having few customers means the customers have more power. But in Detroit’s case, the customers are special. They actually are buyers who are directed by third-party users who actually hold quite a bit of market power – and little price sensitivity. A bit like employer health insurance. This might end up benefiting the sellers of services (like airlines) in quite a rich way.

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  20. iWc Coolidge
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    Brad2971:

    iWe:

    AIG: The only way the others have managed to survive is by lowering their prices to match Southwest, even though it’s mostly bleeding them red (because they can’t cost structures as low as Southwest)

    AIG, Southwest’s prices are no longer the lowest. Nor are their costs. They, for example, always use their own unionized staff for ground services instead of using the lowest-cost provider.

    There was a time… but that time is gone.

    I’d be careful about “in-house” staff being always more expensive than getting a vendor (BTW, Southwest is known for being the most unionized airline in the country).

    Here is a concrete example: When Southwest bought Airtran, they abandoned a number of destinations (like Pensacola) where they had only one or two flights a day.

    Why? Because the union contracts required only Southwest labor – and it was not cost-effective to pay a ground crew for a full 8 hour shift when they only handled one flight.

    Airtran had simply used contract labor, so they could support such thin routes.

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  21. Douglas Inactive
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    Apologies if someone else has posted this here and I’ve missed it:

    Washington Post – Justice Dept. investigating potential airline price collusion

    The Justice Department is investigating whether some of America’s biggest airlines have colluded to keep airfares high, striking at an industry that has posted record profits recently while limiting routes and affordable seats, officials familiar with the matter said Wednesday.

    Justice Department spokeswoman Emily Pierce confirmed the probe, saying investigators are looking into “possible unlawful coordination by some airlines,” but she would not name the carriers.

    Representatives from Delta Air Lines, Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and United Airlines confirmed they were among those being investigated and said they were complying with Justice Department requests.

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