Did You Get A Flu Shot?

 

So, I was talking to a mom friend of mine who was coming down with a cold. I asked her if she had her flu shot this season. She said, “No. I don’t get flu shots. I’m a little skeptical of them.” Skeptical? She explained that she never got them as a child and thought that they really weren’t that effective. After I picked my jaw up off the floor, I asked her if her kids get them. Nope.

Are there a lot of flue shot skeptics out there that I haven’t met yet? Having been raised by a mother who was a nurse, yearly flu shots were mandatory. My family got their flu shots this season. My sons’ school even offered free vaccines. Now, I know that there has been some controversy regarding this year’s flu shot strain.Even if this year’s shot is less effective than in years past, is it wise to skip it? Are there justifiable and informed reasons to not get the flu shot every year?

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  1. Tuck Inactive
    Tuck
    @Tuck

    Casey:She died of a fever And no one could save her And that was the end of sweet Molly Malone

    LOL: “Originally placed at the bottom of Grafton Street in Dublin, this statue is known colloquially as “The Tart With The Cart” or “The Trollop With The Scallop(s)”, . The statue portrays Molly as a busty young woman in seventeenth-century dress. Her low-cut dress and large breasts were justified on the grounds that as “women breastfed publicly in Molly’s time, breasts were popped out all over the place.””

    220px-Molly_malone_grafton_street-edit[1]

    Love the Irish!

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  2. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Tuck: “Population-level effects of suppressing fever”

    “may have” over the entire population blah, blah, blah…

    Show me the double-blind studies proving patients who use fever-reducing drugs have suppressed their immune response. [Which, btw, I suspect is an almost impossible, if not unethical experiment to run, let alone repeat] Until then, I just don’t believe it.

    Also, not treating your fever will definitely not resolve your case of meningitis or pneumonia. You didn’t limit your recommendation to flu.

    You’ve given us examples of speculative science. People should proceed cautiously using their own best judgment. Not everything “natural” is good for your or your kids’ survival.

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  3. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    1967mustangman:

    Stad:1. I hate needles.

    2. I don’t believe in their effectiveness.

    3. Actually catching the flu and surviving will make me stronger when I reach old age, and finally . . .

    4. I want to see if the government will start to make them mandatory for us old folks under Obamacare (go ahead, take me to prison for refusing a shot!).

    1) They have a mist versions now that is supposed to be even more effective

    2) Really? Even with all the evidence?

    3) Probably not true for the same reason that you have to get a new shot each year (i.e. the flu mutates)

    4) Well I can’t help you there.

    What evidence?  The last news article I saw said this year’s flu shot version was only 20% effective.

    Even so, it still doesn’t negate my other three reasons.  I don’t give a rat’s rear end if it’s 100% effective . . .

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  4. Tuck Inactive
    Tuck
    @Tuck

    Western Chauvinist: Show me the double-blind studies proving patients who use fever-reducing drugs have suppressed their immune response. [Which, btw, I suspect is an almost impossible, if not unethical experiment to run, let alone repeat] Until then, I just don’t believe it.

    I posted what’s out there above.  Scroll up.  The scientists don’t have any doubt.  The doctors are often clueless (also posted above), but even there the evidence is quite clear about the effects on severe infections.  Of course they still pursue lots of treatments that have no evidence of efficacy.

    “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?” — John Maynard Keynes

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  5. Ricochet Moderator
    Ricochet
    @PainterJean

    I’m 52, and have never had a flu shot. My mother was a nurse, but maybe flu shots weren’t a regular part of child health care back in the 60s and 70s. As a result, I tend to regard flu shots as being for more vulnerable populations, the very old, sickly, etc. I tend not to get sick, and can’t remember the last time I had the flu. I’m not against them, mind you, but I simply haven’t needed them.

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  6. Sam Thatcher
    Sam
    @Sam

    I don’t know. Vaccinations for the really serious stuff as a child is crucial, but unless you are immunocompromised or exposed to flu in an institutional or health care setting, I’m not so sure. Anecdotally, the only time I have ever come down with a serious, knock-down case of the flu was the year my company offered free flu shots. Took down my whole family with me. Empathy for you Peter et al on your illness and condolences for the loss of your mother-in-law. A beautiful woman and a lovely piece you posted on her life.

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  7. Mike H Inactive
    Mike H
    @MikeH

    Tuck:

    captainpower:

    Tuck: 700 deaths per year … would be prevented in the US alone by avoiding antipyretic medication for the treatment of influenza

    700 / 330,000,000

    Whelp, I’ve spent too much time reading this conversation.

    The gov’t is currently stringing up GM over 50 total deaths for their ignition-switch problem. Influenza is only one disease…

    So you are striving to be slightly less outlandish than the government?

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  8. Mike H Inactive
    Mike H
    @MikeH

    I just wanted to say, I have no scientific evidence for this, it’s simply an intuition, but one of the reasons I get a flu shot every year (starting about 7 years ago) despite never having it my entire life, is that when I’m 80+ I’ll have enough immunity from a wide variety of strains that it might offer me protection against some mutation in the future that’s similar to a strand today.

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  9. user_138562 Moderator
    user_138562
    @RandyWeivoda

    Some people are going to have more exposure than others.  I believe I have a lot less exposure to germs now that my step-sister and her husband no longer work with me.  They’ve got three kids and because they always catch germs from other kids, one or the other of their parents was often sick, then everyone at work would eventually get sick.  I think if you have no kids and aren’t around people with kids, you’re less likely to be exposed.

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  10. captainpower Inactive
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    @captainpower

    Mike H: I just wanted to say, I have no scientific evidence for this, it’s simply an intuition, but one of the reasons I get a flu shot every year (starting about 7 years ago) despite never having it my entire life, is that when I’m 80+ I’ll have enough immunity from a wide variety of strains that it might offer me protection against some mutation in the future that’s similar to a strand today.

    A quick google turned this up. I welcome feedback from anyone who knows more detail, especially about whether this is true for other viruses (such as influenza strains).

    After you have chickenpox, the virus that caused it, called varicella, remains in your body. It’s always inside you, lying dormant (or asleep) in your nerve cells. At some point later in life, your immune system may weaken, allowing the virus to resurface as Shingles. You may be feeling great, but if you’ve had chickenpox, the Shingles virus is already inside you. And your risk for Shingles increases as you get older.

    To call out a few choice words there “after you have … [a] virus … [it] remains in your body … always .. dormant … [until you get old and/or] your immune system … weaken[s], allowing the virus to resurface

    via http://www.shinglesinfo.com/shinglesinfo/what-is-shingles.jsp

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  11. Mike H Inactive
    Mike H
    @MikeH

    captainpower:

    Mike H: I just wanted to say, I have no scientific evidence for this, it’s simply an intuition, but one of the reasons I get a flu shot every year (starting about 7 years ago) despite never having it my entire life, is that when I’m 80+ I’ll have enough immunity from a wide variety of strains that it might offer me protection against some mutation in the future that’s similar to a strand today.

    A quick google turned this up. I welcome feedback from anyone who knows more detail, especially about whether this is true for other viruses (such as influenza strains).

    After you have chickenpox, the virus that caused it, called varicella, remains in your body. It’s always inside you, lying dormant (or asleep) in your nerve cells. At some point later in life, your immune system may weaken, allowing the virus to resurface as Shingles. You may be feeling great, but if you’ve had chickenpox, the Shingles virus is already inside you. And your risk for Shingles increases as you get older.

    To call out a few choice words there “after you have … [a] virus … [it] remains in your body … always .. dormant … [until you get old and/or] your immune system … weaken[s], allowing the virus to resurface

    via http://www.shinglesinfo.com/shinglesinfo/what-is-shingles.jsp

    As far as I know, this is unique to herpes viruses. I wouldn’t be surprised at other classes having this phenomenon, but not the flu.

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  12. Kim K. Inactive
    Kim K.
    @KimK

    Last summer I read The Great Influenza and swore I would get vaccinated from then on.

    So far I haven’t gotten around to it.

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  13. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    Karen, I think you oughta retitle this “One Flu Over The Cuckoo’s Nest”

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  14. Tuck Inactive
    Tuck
    @Tuck

    Mike H:

    Tuck:

    captainpower:

    Tuck: 700 deaths per year … would be prevented in the US alone by avoiding antipyretic medication for the treatment of influenza

    700 / 330,000,000

    Whelp, I’ve spent too much time reading this conversation.

    The gov’t is currently stringing up GM over 50 total deaths for their ignition-switch problem. Influenza is only one disease…

    So you are striving to be slightly less outlandish than the government?

    Nope, just trying to lead a horse to water.

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  15. Ricochet Coolidge
    Ricochet
    @Manny

    Manny:I normally get one every year, but I missed it this year. I do believe they help out, though perhaps not as much as the hype. I have not gotten the flu so far.

    Misthiocracy:

    Manny: Manny

    I normally get one every year, but I missed it this year. I do believe they help out, though perhaps not as much as the hype. I have not gotten the flu so far.

    I have a stone that repels tigers that I’d like to sell you…

    Are you a doctor?  What exactly is your expertise?

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