What is the Point of a Republican Majority When They Pull Stuff Like This?

 

My faith in the Republican Party has already been pretty low, but now it’s almost non-existent. This is the party that is supposed to be the anti- abortion party but yesterday the Republican leadership decided to pull the “Pain-Capable Unborn Protection Act,” which would ban abortion after 20 weeks. This bill has the approval of most Americans (about 60%). Most Americans, Republican and Democrat, support a ban on late-term abortions. Why are they scrapping this?

Apparently the effort to drop the bill was lead by Renee Ellmers of North Carolina, Jackie Walorski of Indiana, and Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, who has the most ridiculous reason quoted that I have ever seen:

“I prefer that we avoid these very contentious social issues,” Dent told National Journal. “Week one, we had a speaker election that did not go as well as a lot of us would have liked. Week two, we got into a big fight over deporting children, something that a lot of us didn’t want to have a discussion about. Week three, we are now talking about rape and incest and reportable rapes and incest for minors. … I just can’t wait for week four.”

He would “prefer” to avoid this kind of contention social issue, WHAT?!! Why did you run for Congress then? That is your job; to represent the people of your district (and most people in Dent’s district support this bill). Also,why does he think these things aren’t going well? Maybe it’s because they are not representing the people who elected them and not keeping the promises that many of them made to get elected.  If the leadership of the Republican party keeps this up, they will end up going the way of the Whigs.

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  1. Misthiocracy Member
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    @Misthiocracy

    The Forgotten Man: It took years for William Wilberforce to move the ball on slavery to the point where Parliament would do the right thing and abolish it.  Wilberforce knew a bill  abolishing slavery wouldn’t pass the first time it was proposed, or the second, or the tenth but persistence and keeping the issue before Parliament eventually paid off.

    < devil’s advocate mode = on >

    William Wilberforce:

    • didn’t have to contend with a 24-hour news cycle,
    • had to satisfy a voter pool much smaller than that of today, being composed entirely of property-owning males, and
    • sat in the House of Commons as an independent, and therefore didn’t have to worry about his individual actions tainting the “brand” of his party.

    .

    < devil’s advocate mode = off >

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  2. Western Chauvinist Member
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    @WesternChauvinist

    The Forgotten Man:Abortion and slavery have much in common particularly from a moral stand point. It took years for William Wilberforce to move the ball on slavery to the point where Parliament would do the right thing and abolish it. Wilberforce knew a bill abolishing slavery wouldn’t pass the first time it was proposed, or the second, or the tenth but persistence and keeping the issue before Parliament eventually paid off. We aren’t talking farm subsidies here we are trying to outlaw sucking apart millions of individuals who feel pain and suffer as they are being ripped apart. We should put that bill aside out of tactical political considerations? I don’t think so.

    That’s what I keep thinking as I read the positive responses to the GOP’s move. Republicans have become so cowed and fearful of failure, they won’t even try anything.

    The Left’s scapegoating of Republicans for everything has effectively paralyzed them. It’s pathetic, and a surefire formula for defeat. Republicans won’t even have any failures to learn from.

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  3. Douglas Inactive
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    @Douglas

    Western Chauvinist:

    The Left’s scapegoating of Republicans for everything has effectively paralyzed them. It’s pathetic, and a surefire formula for defeat. Republicans won’t even have any failures to learn from.

    And this is why the GOP, as a solution, is useless: they’re more afraid of them than their own.

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  4. Nick Stuart Inactive
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    @NickStuart

    GOP Majority off to brisk start screwing over the people who put them there. http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/22/why-everyone-should-be-terrified-by-the-gops-abortion-bill-debacle/

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  5. user_44643 Inactive
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    @MikeLaRoche

    Cowards. All of them. The GOP disgusts me.

    • #65
  6. user_536506 Member
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    @ScottWilmot

    Pathetic, gutless, spineless, cowardly. I’m ticked off too, Matede

    • #66
  7. user_473455 Inactive
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    @BenjaminGlaser

    The Forgotten Man:Abortion and slavery have much in common particularly from a moral stand point. It took years for William Wilberforce to move the ball on slavery to the point where Parliament would do the right thing and abolish it. Wilberforce knew a bill abolishing slavery wouldn’t pass the first time it was proposed, or the second, or the tenth but persistence and keeping the issue before Parliament eventually paid off. We aren’t talking farm subsidies here we are trying to outlaw sucking apart millions of individuals who feel pain and suffer as they are being ripped apart. We should put that bill aside out of tactical political considerations? I don’t think so.

    Amen. Just Amen.

    We are talking about the murder of humans. End of Story.

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  8. user_536506 Member
    user_536506
    @ScottWilmot

    Robert Royal has an eye-opening article on Abortion and Magical Thinking at thecatholicthing.org:

    Some people view this as a partisan issue. Democrats, especially Catholic Democrats, have largely chosen party over life. But there are plenty of soft Republicans out there too, who want to walk away from the fight by calling it complicated and difficult in a changed society.

    They should all take a page out of Ronald Reagan’s book. He said, often, that if you find someone lying in the gutter, you don’t assume he’s dead and shovel dirt on him. You pick him up and try to get him help. That’s not so complicated or hard. Is it?

    And if tens of millions of corpses are lying around, unless we’re enthralled with magical thinking, is it too much to notice – and do something?

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  9. EThompson Member
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    Mike LaRoche:Cowards. All of them. The — disgusts me.

    I agree with all of the above, except I believe in pointing blame where it is due- the American electorate.

    Anybody on this site think elected politicians of either party act independently?

    I’ll go so far as to chastise Ricos for blaming the victim. We all need to look in the d*** mirror.

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  10. Ricochet Coolidge
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    @Manny

    To all those making excuses for the GOP on this, stop.  This was an embarrassment.  If they suddenly didn’t feel this was the right time to bring it up for a vote, then they should never have scheduled it for today.  Can’t they get their ducks in a row or are they wishy-washy on this?  What an embarrassment.  They better bring this up in short order or there will be hell to pay.  Pro-lifers don’t necessarily support Republicans on all issues, and if the GOP drops the ball on this one, they will get dropped like a fifty pound weight.

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  11. Sabrdance Member
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    @Sabrdance

    Misthiocracy:

    The Forgotten Man: It took years for William Wilberforce to move the ball on slavery to the point where Parliament would do the right thing and abolish it. Wilberforce knew a bill abolishing slavery wouldn’t pass the first time it was proposed, or the second, or the tenth but persistence and keeping the issue before Parliament eventually paid off.

    < devil’s advocate mode = on >

    William Wilberforce:

    • didn’t have to contend with a 24-hour news cycle,
    • had to satisfy a voter pool much smaller than that of today, being composed entirely of property-owning males, and
    • sat in the House of Commons as an independent, and therefore didn’t have to worry about his individual actions tainting the “brand” of his party.

    .

    < devil’s advocate mode = off >

    Doing absolutely nothing to talk me off my Thomas Clarkson support the Revolution ledge, there, Mis…

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  12. BuckeyeSam Inactive
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    @BuckeyeSam

    I live immediately to the south of Boehner’s district. The chance of ever primarying him are probably slim and none. He represents a pretty unsophisticated district that seems happy just to have a member of Congress in such an influential position.

    Elmers, however, seems like a one-term (now two-term) lightweight, and yet her constituents couldn’t primary her after she proved to be completely squishy on amnesty. She even had Laura Ingraham homing in on her.

    If incumbency is that great a strength for officeholders or if Republicans can’t rise up to take someone like Elmers out, the country really is screwed.

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  13. Boomerang Inactive
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    @Boomerang

    Manny:To all those making excuses for the GOP on this, stop. This was an embarrassment. If they suddenly didn’t feel this was the right time to bring it up for a vote, then they should never have scheduled it for today. Can’t they get their ducks in a row or are they wishy-washy on this? What an embarrassment. They better bring this up in short order or there will be hell to pay. Pro-lifers don’t necessarily support Republicans on all issues, and if the GOP drops the ball on this one, they will get dropped like a fifty pound weight.

    Yes.  The fact that this happened is severely disappointing. The fact that they did this today makes me furious.

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  14. user_309277 Inactive
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    @AdamKoslin

    Gee, it’s almost like the GOP is a ridiculously perilous coalition between interest groups that have just about nothing in common…or something.

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  15. Ricochet Member
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    @BallDiamondBall

    David Knights:

    Matede:

    David Knights:

    Mama Toad:Voting on the bill would force people to make a choice. Legislators and politicians would need to say yes or no, or, of course, the president’s favorite choice, “present.”

    If not now, when? When will be the magical time that will be the right time to have this fight?

    When we have a GOP house, GOP Senate and GOP president. I know that is hard to hear, but it is the truth.

    You know the Democrats don’t give up on their agenda because there is a Republican majority. They manage quite well getting things through no matter who is in charge. Perhaps the Republican’s should try to represent the people who elected them and maybe that is the key to winning the presidency in 2016.

    Magical thinking. Do you think the bill had any chance of becoming law? Do you think that the Democratic party would have paid any political price for a veto assuming that it could even get to the President’s desk? If so, what evidence, beyond hoping and wishing do you have for either proposition?

    Magical thinking is this handful of beans you say will happen in 2016.  The GOP is already letting democrats walk away from Obama, which is just going to allow them to float free of any bad news — they will win in 2016 unless we fight NOW.  We need to get these scaly creatures on the record NOW.

    You who talk about playing the long game but do not see any value in forcing things to a vote are delusional.  At best.

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  16. Ricochet Member
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    @BallDiamondBall

    Manny:Very disappointing. If this is only a strategic pause which will get pushed later in the year, I can understand. If this is a permanent drop of the issue, I’ll be furious.

    I have no more room for strategic pauses.  We’re all paused out over here.  We still haven’t fought on the budget from 2008.

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  17. user_385039 Inactive
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    @donaldtodd

    David Knights: #32 “Bring up a bill that has ALMOST no chance of making it thru the Senate and ABSOLUTELY no chance of being signed into law isn’t fighting smart.”

    Spitting in the face of the people who elected you isn’t smart.

    Cowardliness isn’t smart.

    Avoiding the issues you were elected to consider isn’t smart.

    Telling the public you believe in one thing and then denying it when it is possible isn’t smart.

    You have no idea of what the Senate might do.

    What Barry does doesn’t matter.  What Republicans do is the ground work for 2016.  Right now they aren’t doing anything smart.

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  18. user_385039 Inactive
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    @donaldtodd

    Karen:

    Fake John Galt:

    Karen:

    Don’t start a fight you haven’t already won.

    Why fight at all when you can just give up and give in?

    “Well, they aren’t giving up. As I mentioned in a previous comment – perhaps you overlooked it – they are subbing it out with a bill proposing to make the Hyde amendment permanent. This call from the anti-abortion wing of the party to bring this to a vote just for the spectacle is foolish, and it won’t save one single child. I suspect that this bill really isn’t about saving lives, but demonstrating the leverage that the anti-abortionists have in the party and get some media coverage for the march. I’m frankly very proud of the GOP for backing out. It’s one of the smartest things the party has done in recent years.”

    This is where you and I part company.  I want tangible proof that we did not elect unprincipled cowards and hypocrites and this bill was one place to find out.  We now know about three of them who make you proud.

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  19. Larry3435 Inactive
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    @Larry3435

    Hmmm, I’m thumbing through my copy of the Constitution, looking for the enumerated power that gives Congress the authority to regulate abortion.  And oddly, I’m not finding it.  Commerce clause, maybe?  Is someone transporting these fetuses in interstate commerce?  Or maybe the Supreme Court could pretend that it’s a tax…

    Standing by our principles indeed.  Apparently, some of us stand by our principles only when it is convenient.

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  20. Matede Inactive
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    @MateDe

    Larry3435:Hmmm, I’m thumbing through my copy of the Constitution, looking for the enumerated power that gives Congress the authority to regulate abortion. And oddly, I’m not finding it. Commerce clause, maybe? Is someone transporting these fetuses in interstate commerce? Or maybe the Supreme Court could pretend that it’s a tax…

    Standing by our principles indeed. Apparently, some of us stand by our principles only when it is convenient.

    When you were thumbing through that Constitution did you also happen to find the right to have an abortion or the right to privacy that the court used to justify their decision?

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  21. user_157053 Member
    user_157053
    @DavidKnights

    donald todd:David Knights: #32 “Bring up a bill that has ALMOST no chance of making it thru the Senate and ABSOLUTELY no chance of being signed into law isn’t fighting smart.”

    Spitting in the face of the people who elected you isn’t smart.

    Cowardliness isn’t smart.

    Avoiding the issues you were elected to consider isn’t smart.

    Telling the public you believe in one thing and then denying it when it is possible isn’t smart.

    You have no idea of what the Senate might do.

    What Barry does doesn’t matter. What Republicans do is the ground work for 2016. Right now they aren’t doing anything smart.

    What isn’t smart is demanding that to prove their fidelity to your cause you demand that your representative cast a purely symbolic vote that has ZERO chance of changing the status quo, but does have a chance to be used against them in the next election.

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  22. user_157053 Member
    user_157053
    @DavidKnights

    Ball Diamond Ball:

    David Knights:

    Matede:

    David Knights:

    Mama Toad:Voting on the bill would force people to make a choice. Legislators and politicians would need to say yes or no, or, of course, the president’s favorite choice, “present.”

    If not now, when? When will be the magical time that will be the right time to have this fight?

    When we have a GOP house, GOP Senate and GOP president. I know that is hard to hear, but it is the truth.

    You know the Democrats don’t give up on their agenda because there is a Republican majority. They manage quite well getting things through no matter who is in charge. Perhaps the Republican’s should try to represent the people who elected them and maybe that is the key to winning the presidency in 2016.

    Magical thinking. Do you think the bill had any chance of becoming law? Do you think that the Democratic party would have paid any political price for a veto assuming that it could even get to the President’s desk? If so, what evidence, beyond hoping and wishing do you have for either proposition?

    Magical thinking is this handful of beans you say will happen in 2016. The GOP is already letting democrats walk away from Obama, which is just going to allow them to float free of any bad news — they will win in 2016 unless we fight NOW. We need to get these scaly creatures on the record NOW.

    You who talk about playing the long game but do not see any value in forcing things to a vote are delusional. At best.

    There is no guaranty of a GOP president in 2016 and/or a GOP congress. However, I’d like that to be more likely, not less likely.  I see no value to forcing a vote you KNOW you will not win and that will cost your opponents nothing.  Either it dies in the Senate or it is vetoed.  No democrat will suffer for that happening.  GOP in marginal districts will

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  23. user_157053 Member
    user_157053
    @DavidKnights

    Does anyone know how we got The New Deal, The War on Poverty, Medicare, Social Security and, yes, Obamacare?  Our opponents played the long game.  Why do we never roll back any government program or shrink the size of government?  We play the short game.

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  24. user_309277 Inactive
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    @AdamKoslin

    Matede:

    When you were thumbing through that Constitution did you also happen to find the right to have an abortion or the right to privacy that the court used to justify their decision?

    So, not to be a dick here, but I’m going to point to the 10th amendment:

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    The Constitution only has to enumerate rights when it comes to what the Federal government can do.  When it comes to state legislation or individual rights, there is a presumption of legality.  This is why Roe v. Wade was such a travesty, by the way: not because it allowed abortion (which for better or worse has occurred in most cultures throughout history), but because it trampled the rights of the states to regulate an issue well beyond the scope of the enumerated powers within the Constitution.  Ideally we’d let this issue go back to the states so New Yorkers could have all the Planned Parenthoods they want, and Mississippians could ban it all.  Then we’d see how everything worked out.  “Laboratories of democracy,” yo.

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  25. Matede Inactive
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    @MateDe

    Adam Koslin:

    Matede:

    When you were thumbing through that Constitution did you also happen to find the right to have an abortion or the right to privacy that the court used to justify their decision?

    So, not to be a dick here, but I’m going to point to the 10th amendment:

    The Constitution only has to enumerate rights when it comes to what the Federal government can do. When it comes to state legislation or individual rights, there is a presumption of legality. This is why Roe v. Wade was such a travesty, by the way: not because it allowed abortion (which for better or worse has occurred in most cultures throughout history), but because it trampled the rights of the states to regulate an issue well beyond the scope of the enumerated powers within the Constitution. Ideally we’d let this issue go back to the states so New Yorkers could have all the Planned Parenthoods they want, and Mississippians could ban it all. Then we’d see how everything worked out. “Laboratories of democracy,” yo.

    Yes, I know I was being sarcastic.

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  26. Matede Inactive
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    @MateDe

    David Knights:Does anyone know how we got The New Deal, The War on Poverty, Medicare, Social Security and, yes, Obamacare? Our opponents played the long game. Why do we never roll back any government program or shrink the size of government? We play the short game.

    I think 40 years is a long game.

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  27. user_309277 Inactive
    user_309277
    @AdamKoslin

    I’m confused by the whole “Republicans need to STAND for something” routine.  Is there anyone alive in the U.S. who doesn’t know that the Democrats are the pro-choice party and the Republicans are the pro-life party?  Who, exactly was confused on this point and thinking to themselves: “gee, I know where the Democrats stand on this abortion business, but I haven’t heard from Republicans recently.  What’s their position again?”

    I will admit that the fug-fingered fumbling in Congress was really putzy, and ought to have been handled better.  Doesn’t speak well of the current caucus or of leadership that this went forward.  Then again, I’m not terribly surprised by it since it seems we can’t go two weeks without hearing about some back-bench revolt or another against McConnell, Boehner, or both.

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  28. user_309277 Inactive
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    @AdamKoslin

    Matede

    Yes, I know I was being sarcastic.

    Ah!  Very good then.  Carry on :)

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  29. user_51254 Member
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    @BereketKelile

    My suspicion is that the explanation is less dramatic than what people think. I can’t help but think that this has more to do with inside baseball than with cold feet. It smells like a deal or decision was made behind closed doors. If I was a journalist I’d probably check to see if any funding or approvals were made in the districts of the relevant members.

    Remember, these women had advocated this bill so why the sudden flip flop? There has to be an offer for them to consider it.

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  30. user_157053 Member
    user_157053
    @DavidKnights

    Matede:

    David Knights:Does anyone know how we got The New Deal, The War on Poverty, Medicare, Social Security and, yes, Obamacare? Our opponents played the long game. Why do we never roll back any government program or shrink the size of government? We play the short game.

    I think 40 years is a long game.

    Two things.

    1. 40 years isn’t long in the scheme of things.  The left has had a goal of government healthcare for all for well over 60 years, and they aren’t quite there even now. (But Obamacare was a major step forward for them on the issue.  They fight smart.)

    2. I think a good argument can be made that we’ve had abortion in its present form for so long because of the foolishness of the pro-life movement with stunts such as these.  Meaningless demands for a symbolic act that don’t do anything to end abortion but end up costing sure pro-life votes their seats.

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