Are You a Breeder?

 

No, I don’t mean of dogs. I’ve encountered the curious word “breeders” a couple of times in the past week from lefties. As near as I can tell, it’s the way they combine their two most compelling (to them) religious beliefs: gay rights and environmentalism. “Breeders” are those who have the audacity to have a baby, thereby unkindly reminding same-sex couples that they have no such ability and at the same time increasing the surplus population that will consume stuff and destroy the earth. The term and its implications are so distasteful that I suspect it is one that has been used among lefties for a long time, but that they have kept out of their conversation with the larger world for fear it would hurt their cause. After all, there is definitely a misanthropic, Scrooge-like quality to the term.  I speculate that now they are feeling confident in their ascendancy and are allowing it to slip out.   

Let’s examine the term for a moment. It manages, in one fell swoop, to denigrate the ability to produce children, the people who do it and the children themselves — all with canine or bovine overtones. I have great hope that this will backfire, but who can tell in this upside-down and backwards age?  

Has anyone else encountered this word in casual conversation or unfortunate Facebook discussions? I believe it originated in that dreadful and ridiculous 80s novel, A Handmaid’s Tale.

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  1. Alfa158 Inactive
    Alfa158
    @Alfa158

    Tuck:

    Yes, I am a breeder. :)

    And yes, I’ve encountered this term, going back to the early 90s, as far as I recall. I shared an office with a homosexual group in college. (Putting the Conservatives in the same office with the gay-rights group was the student government’s idea of a joke, I think, and a pretty good one; we got along just fine nevertheless.) I also lived in downtown Manhattan where there’s a high percentage of gay people. Can’t recall exactly when and where I encountered the term, though, but it was from the gay community. Happily, this is a problem that is a self-correcting: The meek may or may not inherit the earth in the near future, but mortality ensures us that the breeders will.

    (The Handmaid’s Tale was published in 1985, so this may well have been the ultimate source.)

     In the immortal words  of Mark Steyn; “The future will belong to the people who show up for it”.

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  2. lesserson Member
    lesserson
    @LesserSonofBarsham

    Matthew Gilley:

    Just as a matter of personal taste, my preferred appellation is “stallion.”

     That’d be a pretty good retort to someone calling you a breeder. “I’d rather be a stallion than a gelding,” but then you might have to explain what a gelding is. 

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  3. Ontos Inactive
    Ontos
    @Ontos

    Merina Smith:

    1967mustangman:

    I am not now a breeder but hope to be someday….I guess I kind of hold the opposite views I needle my siblings for only having 2 each and accuse them of contributing to population collapse. Perhaps we should come up with a snarky term for that? Social Security Killer is apt but to unworldly.

    I suppose we could make a joke of this by calling ourselves Pro-breeders or Pro-breeding.

     That would be unwise because to do so adopts the dehumanizing term.     Always a bad idea. You would be a father or mother not a breeder.  Words have meanings , represent ideas, and those have consequences.   

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  4. user_517406 Inactive
    user_517406
    @MerinaSmith

    Ontos:

    Merina Smith:

    1967mustangman:

    I am not now a breeder but hope to be someday….I guess I kind of hold the opposite views I needle my siblings for only having 2 each and accuse them of contributing to population collapse. Perhaps we should come up with a snarky term for that? Social Security Killer is apt but to unworldly.

    I suppose we could make a joke of this by calling ourselves Pro-breeders or Pro-breeding.

    That would be unwise because to do so adopts the dehumanizing term. Always a bad idea. You would be a father or mother not a breeder. Words have meanings , represent ideas, and those have consequences.

     Yes–agreed.  I think I was joking, but since I wrote this yesterday I can’t remember!!!!!!

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  5. Patrickb63 Coolidge
    Patrickb63
    @Patrickb63

    I am one of 9, and have 4 of my own.  So I am a proud parent.  My mother told me a story about a woman who said to her “Is that all you ever do?”, referring to having sex, since there were a tribe of us.  My mother’s reply was great.  “We don’t have sex more than you, we just make it count.”  Within the family we always say that Mom and Dad used the rhythm method, but were a little offbeat.

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  6. iWc Coolidge
    iWc
    @iWe

    Patrickb63:

     Is that all you ever do?”, referring to having sex, since there were a tribe of us. My mother’s reply was great. “We don’t have sex more than you, we just make it count.”  

     Aw, shucks. One could really make some hay with this. 

    “There are those who talk about what others do, but I  prefer to be the one actually doing it.”

    “No, sometimes we sleep. But not often.”

    “Could you recommend a leisure activity that you think is more fun?”

    etc.

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  7. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    iWc:

    “Could you recommend a leisure activity that you think is more fun?”

     Stamp collecting?

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  8. CandE Inactive
    CandE
    @CandE

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    iWc:

    “Could you recommend a leisure activity that you think is more fun?”

    Stamp collecting? 

    You’re probably doing it wrong.  

    Or you might be doing stamp collecting very right.  

    -E

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  9. skipsul Inactive
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    @skipsul

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    iWc:

    “Could you recommend a leisure activity that you think is more fun?”

    Stamp collecting?

     There are some proclivities you should just not share.

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  10. user_444739 Inactive
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    @OmidMoghadam

    I lived in Portland for 10 years, heard the term from the perpetually disgruntled from time to time usually in reference to the environment and resources nonsense. I usually responded with: should not piss off breeders, they have numbers on their side and they own guns!!

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  11. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    skipsul:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    iWc:

    “Could you recommend a leisure activity that you think is more fun?”

    Stamp collecting?

    There are some proclivities you should just not share.

    It’s not me. I couldn’t think of a more boring hobby. But I’ve met other people who like to… stamp collect. Like it  a lot, judging by the price a rare stamp can fetch. And this got me thinking… Maybe they can’t help it. Maybe their pleasure-centers are just wired differently from yours or mine.

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  12. Johnny Dubya Inactive
    Johnny Dubya
    @JohnnyDubya

    Zafar:

    Courtesy of the Urban Dictionary:

    Breeder

    1: slang term used by some childfree people for one who has a child and/or has many after that, refuses to discipline the child/ren, thinks the sun rises and sets for their child/ren, look down upon people who do not have children, and are in general very selfish and greedy when it comes to their whims and those of their child/ren, especially if they can use their parenthood status or their children as an excuse to get their way. A female breeder is commonly called a moo, and a male breeder a duh. 2: slang term used by people of homosexual persuasion to refer to heterosexual couples, who have a significantly higher risk of contributing to the population increase than the homosexuals do.

     This was written by someone who is clearly a nasty piece of work.  Note the word “childfree”.  As in, “fat free” or “cruelty free”.  Children are a menace to be avoided.

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  13. user_517406 Inactive
    user_517406
    @MerinaSmith

    Johnny, the definition also indicates another common attitude of the childless toward parents, which is the idea that they have more control over their children than they really do.  The job of childhood is to learn to control emotions and behavior, but it takes a long time. That’s why we cut parents a lot of slack.  

    Certainly there are parents who don’t do their job and let their little darlings get away with way too much, but I don’t see that too often.  I remember my pre-parent days and being too judgmental toward parents, so that too is understandable.  Didn’t we all say, “My child will never to THAT!”  Lo and behold, whatever it was you said your child would never do, they eventually do, and in a big way.  It’s humbling.  

    So childless people, be exasperated sometimes, but also  remember, that you benefit from people who are willing to sacrifice to raise children.  It’s a greatly rewarding job, but it’s also a sacrifice.  Those children that someone else raised will pay for your social security, be your doctor, and in general provide the services you need throughout your life.

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  14. user_137118 Member
    user_137118
    @DeanMurphy

    A Wiccan I worked with in the early 90’s had 2 bumper stickers on his car: “Clergy” (with a pentagram), and “Thank you for not breeding”.

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  15. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    If “breeder” means having more than two children, then yes – my wife and I are breeders.  However, we also outsourced obtaining our children through procurement (adoption), so now I’m not sure if the term applies . . .

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  16. Mama Toad Member
    Mama Toad
    @CBToderakaMamaToad

    Papa Toad and I have spawned six tadpoles.
    We prefer “spawners” to “breeders,” if you don’t mind…
    If we could, we’d have more, but a number of health issues, most importantly Lyme disease, which can be passed from the mother to her children, keep us from seeking more.
    I don’t understand Tom Meyer’s bafflement that some of us might want more than three children, the number he has decided upon.
    My attitude toward children is that their dad is so incredibly awesome, I love making even more of his offspring every opportunity I get. The combinations of the two of us that we have produced are delicious and delightful and the only regret we have is that we are unlikely to have any more.
    My arms are not yet empty; I still have a five year old.

    Merina, I must also comment that I find the illustration with only two children to be amusing in a post on breeders. Couldn’t the editors or you find one with more than two?
    towne tribe

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  17. Mama Toad Member
    Mama Toad
    @CBToderakaMamaToad

    Stad:

    If “breeder” means having more than two children, then yes – my wife and I are breeders. However, we also outsourced obtaining our children through procurement (adoption), so now I’m not sure if the term applies . . .

     Stad, may your tribe increase!

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  18. user_517406 Inactive
    user_517406
    @MerinaSmith

    Mama Toad, for a minute I thought that was a photo of your family, but then I counted heads!  I’m sure your family is just as adorable.  

    Stad,  I don’t know if breeder applies, but parent certainly does, and that is what we care about.

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  19. user_48342 Member
    user_48342
    @JosephEagar

    Zafar:

    Joseph Eagar:

    This came from gay culture?

    Yes it did. The eighties, unless I’m wrong. A bad decade for hair and nomenclature.

     It just seems so hateful, and counterproductive.

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  20. Mama Toad Member
    Mama Toad
    @CBToderakaMamaToad

    Merina Smith:

    Mama Toad, for a minute I thought that was a photo of your family, but then I counted heads! I’m sure your family is just as adorable.

    Stad, I don’t know if breeder applies, but parent certainly does, and that is what we care about.

     The mom in the photo is my god-daughter, and the boy on the far right is my god-son. She is a Nordic beauty. I’m not. 
    Here’s a photo of the Toad clan I uploaded for a Ricodiscussion on wearing hats:
    Toads lid

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  21. user_517406 Inactive
    user_517406
    @MerinaSmith

    Aw–you do have an adorable family Mama Toad!  I’m so sorry you can’t have more Tadpoles!  I wish I could replace that little family in the main page photo with your beautiful family.  Love the hats!  Where is middle Tadpole’s hat?

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  22. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Merina Smith:

    So childless people, be exasperated sometimes, but also remember, that you benefit from people who are willing to sacrifice to raise children. It’s a greatly rewarding job, but it’s also a sacrifice. Those children that someone else raised will pay for your social security, be your doctor, and in general provide the services you need throughout your life. 

    It really seems to me that in the West (gross generalisation coming up, but fwiw) mainstream society does not really like children.  People love their own children, of course, and society puts in place things to keep children safe (with varying degrees of success), but in terms of liking kids enough to be pleased to hang out with them even if they aren’t your own – on the whole no.  People really seem to be most pleased with other people’s kids being safe and happy somewhere else – and preferably out of earshot.

    I wonder if it isn’t an unintended consequence of modern life setting children and childhood apart – spatially and socially – even if for the best intentions.  Is it a coincidence that societies where the line between childhood and adulthood is traditionally less formalised and firm – so with negatives like child labour or underage marriage – are also societies where it is normal to genuinely enjoy children for themselves rather than just (grudgingly) accept them because they’re going to pay tomorrow’s taxes?

    I’m not advocating child labour or underage marriage, just wondering which part of the old social package can be kept while weeding out the negatives and how.

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  23. BigDumbJerk Member
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    @BigDumbJerk

    Proudly a breeder, with number 5 due to be born in 8 weeks…

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  24. user_517406 Inactive
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    @MerinaSmith

    BDJ–congratulations!  Post a photo when #5 enters the world!

    Good points, Zafar.  I think you’re right; the West is very adult-centered.  You’ve given me some food for thought.  I really enjoy children now, but I don’t think I did so much before I had them, though I did enjoy my younger sibs (my youngest brother was born when I was 14.) But since families don’t so much work together on a farm or in a family business any more, children are largely separated from adults aside from parents.  There is mixing in church communities but not so much in other ways.  Do you think children are more enjoyed and appreciated in India?

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  25. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Merina Smith:

    … the West is very adult-centered. You’ve given me some food for thought. I really enjoy children now, but I don’t think I did so much before I had them, though I did enjoy my younger sibs (my youngest brother was born when I was 14.) But since families don’t so much work together on a farm or in a family business any more, children are largely separated from adults aside from parents. There is mixing in church communities but not so much in other ways. Do you think children are more enjoyed and appreciated in India?

    I would say that they are, but they can also suffer far more. 

    Let’s not forget that the compartmentalising of children was largely to protect them – and it mostly succeeds.  It didn’t start off as a selfish childless adult urge at all.  Frankly we could probably do with some of the benefits of it in India where child labour and underage marriage are real blights.

    Wrt ‘adult centred’ – by creating more “child only” space we automatically, if inadvertently, start the process that results in more “adult only” space.  So I’d say that the West is more individual-focused (which mostly I appreciate) rather than adult-focused per se.  Instead of child-focused I’d say some “other societies” (vague! let’s say like Indian society) are more family or group focused, and children are automatically included in that rather than separated out. 

    An anecdotal example: if you go to a nice Chinese restaurant in Sydney there are many big tables (for groups) and there are lots of children scattered through the place – they are totally set up for them, they think it’s the norm that people go out to eat in large family groups that include children.  You see a lot fewer children in most other restaurants, and parents with young children tell me that they generally feel more welcome (ie not an inconvenience or an imposition) when they take the kids for Chinese.

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  26. user_358258 Inactive
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    @RandyWebster

    Joseph Eagar:

    It just seems so hateful, and counterproductive.

    I never thought of it as being hateful.  More like condescending.

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  27. user_48342 Member
    user_48342
    @JosephEagar

    Randy Webster:

    Joseph Eagar:

    It just seems so hateful, and counterproductive.

    I never thought of it as being hateful. More like condescending

    I guess it’s just one more reminder that, for all that I’m bisexual and I date men, I have nothing in common with the gay left.  I come from a culture where having kids is an obligation, and if you can’t, you adopt.  Having large families (at least four) is expected. 

    What’s frightening is that, as the “good guys” in civil rights politics, the left can get away with discriminatory actions other groups cannot.  I saw a sign today at a restaurant in San Francisco that said “no barefoot, shirtless, or Republicans.”  I told the cashier that was illegal (at least that’s how I understand Californian law).  She didn’t care.

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  28. user_549556 Inactive
    user_549556
    @VinceGuerra

    I’ve toyed around with getting a custom made bumper sticker that reads: Outbreed Liberalism. 

    We’re certainly doing our part. Six so far.

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  29. user_512412 Inactive
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    @RichardFinlay

    Stad:

    If “breeder” means having more than two children, then yes – my wife and I are breeders. However, we also outsourced obtaining our children through procurement (adoption), so now I’m not sure if the term applies . . .

     That may make you a ‘breeder enabler.’

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  30. Mama Toad Member
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    @CBToderakaMamaToad

    Zafar:

    Merina Smith:

    … People really seem to be most pleased with other people’s kids being safe and happy somewhere else – and preferably out of earshot.

    I wonder if it isn’t an unintended consequence of modern life setting children and childhood apart – spatially and socially – even if for the best intentions. Is it a coincidence that societies where the line between childhood and adulthood is traditionally less formalised and firm – so with negatives like child labour or underage marriage – are also societies where it is normal to genuinely enjoy children for themselves rather than just (grudgingly) accept them because they’re going to pay tomorrow’s taxes?

    Some Americans may not enjoy children because of many American children. The unfortunate consequence of parents viewing a child as a perfect flower whose self-esteem may not be impaired no matter the cost to society is that the child is often not very pleasant to be around.
    Also, some parents cannot spend that much time with their children, who are segregated strictly based on age in day care, schools, camps for many of their waking hours, and where they are rarely asked to do chores or exhaust themselves in physical labor.

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