Violins, Fine Wine, and Your Classical Music Recommendations — Vince

 

My wife and I were trying to unwind after a work week full of fighting murders and child molesters (we are both prosecutors). We opened a lovely bottle of pinot from the Willamette Valley and retreated to our patio to enjoy an amazing Arizona evening. Despite the gentle breeze, we wanted music to accompany our time. We turned on classical iTunes Radio and just sat. 

I’ve always enjoyed the violin, but when the second movement of Vivaldi’s Four Seasons Winter (Max Richter version) played, my appreciation soared. There is nothing more memorable than when music perfectly captures feeling. It was then that I realized that classical music—really good classical music — is a lot like being introduced to fine wines. It’s an intimidating education, full of lingo and infinite choice, but still very rewarding. I don’t know why I love the pieces I do, but I do. When Jay Nordlinger and Mona Charen discuss music I always listen closely. I hope they do another music episode of their podcast soon. 

In the interim, I’ll reach out to you all. Any classical music selections to recommend, particularly those featuring the violin? The more haunting, lonely and sorrowful the violin the better.

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  1. user_158368 Inactive
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    @PaulErickson

    Carey J.:

    For violin solo pieces, as opposed to regular orchestra works, I would recommend the following as a good start:

    Mendelssohn Violin Concerto in E Minor, Op. 64 Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 35 Massenet Meditation from Thais Butterfly Lovers’ Violin Concerto Bach Concerto for Two Violins in D Minor, BVW 1043 Dvorak Humoresque No. 7

    Violinists I recommend highly:

    Maxim Vengerov Itzhak Perlman Mischa Elman – Fabulous tone, willing to ease up on the tempo and really work a piece. His Dvorak Humoresque is amazing. Isaac Stern David Oistrakh

     Yes!  The Mendelssohn Concerto.  Vince, when you  decide to get out of the mellow easy listening vein, the Mendelssohn finale is sure to cheer you up.  One of my all time favorites. 

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  2. Rhoda at the Door Inactive
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    @RhodaattheDoor

    Ahhh…thanks for that rhapsodic landscape tour with “The Lark Ascending”!   For learning the ropes, I think Robert Greenberg’s lectures from the Great Courses are wonderfully fun and full of meat for beginners and experts.  I don’t think anyone’s mentioned Berlioz’s “Harold in Italy” with the splendid viola lead, second movement especially.  And, if you have a particularly deep, rich, luminous wine, don’t miss an hour with Jesse Norman singing R. Strauss’ “Four Last Songs.”  A cello with wings.

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  3. Carey J. Inactive
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    @CareyJ

    The Scarecrow:

    Son of Spengler:

    Vince: For whatever the reason, the more haunting, lonely and sorrowful the violin the better.

    For haunting, lonely, and sorrowful, you can’t do much better than Barber’s Adagio for Strings. It’s originally a movement of a string quartet (worth listening to in its own regard), but the full orchestration stands apart.

    Here’s a recording made just after Sept. 11, 2001:

    As lovely and expressive piece of music as was ever made, and I still curse Oliver Stone for making me think of helicopter blades when I hear it.

    You think helicopter blades are bad? I hate Johnny Depp for ruining the William Tell Overture by wearing a dead bird on his head in The Lone Ranger. :-P

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  4. Shoshanna Inactive
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    @Shoshanna

    To my ear there is no instrument so capable of stirring such a broad range of emotions as is the violin, and my two favorite works are Mendelssohn’s Violin Concerto in E Minor and Tchaikovsky’s Violin Concerto in D Major, followed closely by Brahm’s Violin Concerto in D Major– all, preferably, played by Itzhak Perlman. 

    I know there are arguments to be made in favor of Heifetz, Stern, Zukerman (and my late mother always insisted that none of them could hold a candle to Nathan Milstein), but during the 11 years I lived in Israel I spent many wonderful evenings at the Israel Philharmonic not just listening to, but experiencing Perlman as conducted by Zubin Mehta– and believe me, those two always had their own party going! 

    The almost mischievous sense of joy they shared, the white-hot flame of creativity, the pure spontaneity with which they fluidly and effortlessly interacted with each other to create the music was simply magical, and every time I listen to a recording of Perlman I once again experience that same excitement. 

    Ah, I feel a distinct inclination to go peruse the CDs…

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  5. DavidL Member
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    @DavidL

    The Bach violin partitas have already been mentioned, but if you’re in a contemplative mood check out the Partita #2 – the final movement (the famous “chacon”) is a window into the composer’s soul (his first wife had recently passed away), not to mention a tax on the soloist’s skill.

    For a little lighter fun, I like the Dvorak Mazurka for Violin and Orchestra.

    Enjoy!

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  6. Big John Member
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    @AllanRutter

    I love Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony even before The King’s Speech used it.

    Others have mentioned Fauré and others Requiems, but I really am moved by Fauré’s Requiem Op 48.

    As a former symphonic band geek in high school and college, I like stuff boisterous and loud, which is not really wine drinking music, but I like Tchaikovsky’s Symphony No. 4 and Shostakovich’s Symphony No. 5.

    Thanks for all the good suggestions.  Maybe I’ll even go try some of the violin concertos others have suggested!

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  7. Vince Inactive
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    @user_659173

    C. U. Douglas:

    Ryan M:

    Well, I am a classical violinist… and also someone who enjoys those Oregon wines you’re talking about… but I just so happen to be a defense attorney.

    I’m not sure we can work together on this issue. :)

    We haven’t even talked wines. One of the advantages of living in the beautiful state of Oregon in the area I do is that it’s a short drive to any of several Willamette vineyards where one can taste wine and enjoy late summer weather. Any other time of the year one can taste wine and enjoy the rain if one is so inclined.

     While I would certainly defer to Ryan (how’s that for working together!) I went to law school in Oregon and if you are in the Willamette Valley, try the smaller vineyards to visit: Vidon, Collene Clemens, Raptor Ridge are amazing, small productions and you will likely meet the owners during the wine tastings. Arbor Brooke 777 is also delicious but not a “small” vineyard. 

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  8. Vince Inactive
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    @user_659173

    James Lileks:

    Poor Bruch: all anyone ever thinks about is his violin concerto. On the other hand, lucky Bruch: he wrote a rather nifty violin concerto. (He wrote three, but everyone plays the first.)

     Ok quick confession: I could walk past Tom Cruise and not blink. Brad Pitt? Yawn. Penelope Cruz… Ok I would blink if she walked past, I’m married not dead… But having an editor of Ricochet (one that I listen to all the time) comment on a thread? Totally star-struck.  

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  9. Ryan M Inactive
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    @RyanM

    Oh, dang.  I just read back through the comments and realized that I was preempted on virtually everything I said.  Except the bit about my distrust for prosecuting attorneys (I only kid).

    So flipping through my vinyl collection (the pride of our livingroom, haha), let me add Marin Marais:  Sonnerie de Sainte Genevieve du Mont de Paris.  The recording I have is fantastic (MHS 4639), and I’ve never found it replicated on youtube.

    p.s. @ Spengler, I’m listening to the piece you linked to right now.  Absolutely wonderful!

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  10. Ryan M Inactive
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    @RyanM

    SteveSc:

    Can’t go wrong with Bach Harpsichord…

     or CPE’s harpisichord.  Just as good as his Dad’s, in my opinion.

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  11. EThompson Member
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    Leigh:

    Boomerang:

    I’m reading and thoroughly enjoying The Story of the Trapp Family Singers by Maria Augusta Trapp (a Ricochet recommendation). The Trapp Family Singers sang a lot of Palestrina, with whom I am not familiar, so it was a treat to click on your link and have a listen.

    I never thought of Bach’s little Fugue as spooky (loved and was totally mesmerized by the animation of the notes) but that ol’ Toccata and Fugue in D Minor is sure to raise some excellent goosebumps.

    I know someone who loves Bach — and who I don’t think has anything against organ music — but dislikes the Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. Enough to skip the track on the CD — every time.

     Agree. Fugue in D is dreadful and because my music is usually blasted on the lanai, if I forget to skip the track, the neighbors complain. :)

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  12. user_656019 Coolidge
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    @RayKujawa

    I love Bach, but I have reservations myself about the T&F in D minor, though I have heard some awesome renditions of on the classical bayan. It’s been played so often, it’s difficult to find a sensitive interpretation.

    Part of the problem is this, maybe. It’s really a composition by Bach meant for the purpose of impressing another composer — a living acknowledged master of his day from North Germany — Dietrich Buxtehude. Chances are, if you like Buxtehude’s style, you will like the Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.  The distinctiveness in style had led people to attribute it to some other composer and not Bach.

    Bach was a quick study of popular styles. German composers were quite capable of absorbing styles from France and Italy. Bach recognized a limitation as a composer at a time when Vivaldi was admired for the beauty of his compositions. Bach studied Vivaldi’s music and did write some later pieces in the style of Vivaldi, but he used the rest of his creative ability to make it even better.

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  13. Basil Fawlty Member
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    @BasilFawlty

    James Lileks:

    Poor Bruch: all anyone ever thinks about is his violin concerto. On the other hand, lucky Bruch: he wrote a rather nifty violin concerto. (He wrote three, but everyone plays the first.)

     Don’t forget his Scottish Fantasy!

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  14. user_142044 Thatcher
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    @AmericanAbroad

    Guaranteed favorite:  The Violin Concerto in D Minor Op. 47 by Jean Sibelius

    Violinist:  Maxim Vengerov (quite popular, apparently, amongst the Richoetti)
    Conducter:  Daniel Barenboim
    Orchestra:  CSO

    I prefer my Sibelius with Islay scotch whisky, but a good white might work.  Enjoy the sublime here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsbrRAgv1b4

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  15. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    Patrickb63:

    I am one of those people who love to listen to classical music, but I know nothing about it. I am like a child who loves candy, but I have no idea which is which. This winter we got to see John Williams conduct the Louisville Symphony Orchestra. To some he is simply a film scorer, and the only music of his I had ever really listened to was my soundtrack from Star Wars, purchased on vinyl in 1977. Of course only parts of scores were played that night. One of those scores was from Schindler’s List. Most of Mr. Williams’ scores are known for his big brasses and pulse quickening adventure themes. But the violin solo from the Schindler’s list score brought tears to my eyes.

     My mom would agree with you about John Williams, and she knew everything about classical music there is to know.    He is amazing.  

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  16. Misthiocracy Member
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    @Misthiocracy

    I am deeply offended by this topic.

    All this sax and violins is clearly a CofC violation!

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  17. nattybumpo Inactive
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    @cossaboom

    Breezing through the previous 77 comments, I find little to disagree with. Unless I overlooked them, two additional works should be on your list. The Dvorak Cello Concerto in B Minor must rank as one of the most beautiful and moving compositions ever, particularly the final movement, which Dvorak extended, with even greater effect, upon the death of his beloved sister-in-law The Janos Starker performance with Dorati and the London Symphony Orchestra on Mercury has long been my favorite, but many have liked the Rostropovich/Karajan version on Deutsche Gramophone.   Schubert’s String Quintet in C Major contains a profoundly evocative second movement, which I understand was requested by Artur Rubenstein to be played at his funeral. There are several fine performances, but I would avoid any by Heifetz because his tendency toward fast speeds misses some of the emotion here.
    The extended  melody in the second movement of Prokofief’s Violin Concerto No. 2  in G minor is haunting, and the piece as a whole is a good introduction to the composer’s  unique blending of lyricism and percussive dissonance.

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  18. Tuco Member
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    @Tuco

    Great thread!!!

    I played the violin for many years and love all of what’s been mentioned here.  I’d also recommend the Brahms Concerto for violin and cello – I had the opportunity to play this (in the orchestra) with Jaime Laredo and Sharon Robinson when I was in high school.  What a thrill.

    I also recommend the Belcea String Quartet’s Beethoven: The Complete String Quartets Vol 1 & 2.  Pricey but really great.

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  19. SParker Member
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    @SParker

    SteveSc:

    Can’t go wrong with Bach Harpsichord…

     Sir Thomas Beecham would disagree.  Bach: Too much counterpoint; what is worse, Protestant counterpoint.  Harpsichords: sound like two skeletons copulating on a tin roof.

    Don’t know what he thought of Borodin’s String Quartet No. 2, but that’s my recommendation to accompany a drink with someone you’ve known a long time and still like.

    Josef Suk’s E-flat String Seranade resulting from future dad-in-law composition instructor’s good advice to maybe lighten up a little is from sort of the same place.  Dad-in-law’s String Seranade works too.

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  20. Shoshanna Inactive
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    @Shoshanna

    I fell absolutely head over heels (nose over palate?) for the Raptor Ridge pinots about seven years ago, and ever since then have counted myself a major fan.  Their pinot noir is always a revelation, but what has really blown me away has been their pinot gris;  certain years of the Raptor Ridge pinot gris may possibly have been the best I’ve ever experienced– there’s such amazing life to them that one has to fight the impression that this decidedly still wine is, in fact, effervescent!  It’s just beautiful.

    Now, that notwithstanding, and still speaking as another Oregonian who never hesitates to recommend to others the best of the Willamette Valley, I have to say that for relaxing at the end of a trying day with music, wine, and some exceptional artisan cheese, there is nothing so satisfying as a glass of Taylor Fladgate 20-year-old Tawny Port– and for exceptionally trying days (or in celebration of a special achievement), their 40-year-old Tawny.  It’s a purely sensual experience capable of turning an inverted world right again.  At least momentarily.  And it’s something not to be missed.

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  21. user_134244 Inactive
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    @BenLang

    I would definitely recommend Ravel’s string quartet in F major along with Janacek String quartet No. 2 – quite good

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  22. Julia PA Inactive
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    @JulesPA

    Ray Kujawa: It’s really a composition by Bach meant for the purpose of impressing another composer — a living acknowledged master of his day from North Germany — Dietrich Buxtehude.

     that is funny, I can picture Bach and Buxtehude with dueling organs at two opposite ends of a giant cathedral. That imagery seems to fit Bach’s Toccata & Fugue in D minor. Not sure either of them would have ever been so frivolous as to duel with organs, but it is a funny little imagery. :)

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  23. SParker Member
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    @SParker

    For the purposes of Gemuetlichkeit enhancement you could do worse than toss in Fritz Kreisler encores.  Liebesleid and Liebesfreud come to mind.   For the fabulously goofy Finnish version of Gemuetlichkeit, Jean Sibelius’ Characteristic Suite would make a stone smile.  And possibly buy the next round.

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  24. publius 49 Inactive
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    @publius49

    I’ve enjoyed this thread and there are some wonderful recommendations. If members want to continue this conversation, let me offer two questions: 1). what makes the difference as to whether you’re bitten by this particular bug or not? We all know people, very sophisticated in politics, literature, science, etc…but in music, particularly “classical” music,  not at all really. For me, I know getting bitten early – like, 14 or so – was the key – a bit like smoking, though never was bitten by that one. 2). should we be pessimistic about the audience of the future for this music? Yes, there’s plenty of it online, and through streaming….but when I go to concerts, I tend to see my age peers (a brand-new Medicare card in my wallet!). Orchestras are in money trouble, like Minnesota and even Philadelphia. Record labels are consolidating, dropping the classical back catalogues. Music education is….minimal. Will our grandchildren be listening to Dvorak and Faure?

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  25. Julia PA Inactive
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    publius 49: Will our grandchildren be listening to Dvorak and Faure?

    YES, if their grandparents include “this” music as part of the family culture and experience. 
    Orchestras are realizing they must embrace their audiences where the audience is, not expect the audience to appear in the formal concert hall setting. That is why you are seeing more outreach projects, bringing orchestral musicians into local communities, creating interactions with children and families in less formal settings. Community teaching projects integrate collegiate programs with their neighborhoods. Families that take advantage of such opportunities build a wonderful musical heritage for themselves. 
    Everyone may not become an elite musician capable of performing Dvorak or Faure, but ALL of us are musical at some level, unless the heart has stopped beating, or the solar system halts. Music is built into us, whether we acknowledge it or not.
    http://www.whitevinyldesign.com/solarbeat/

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  26. Shoshanna Inactive
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    @Shoshanna

    publius 49:  I’ve enjoyed this thread and there are some wonderful recommendations. If members want to continue this conversation, let me offer two questions: 1). what makes the difference as to whether you’re bitten by this particular bug or not?

    With a maternal grandmother who had been a concert pianist, a mother brought up amidst that world to become first a professional dancer classically trained in ballet and later both a pianist and composer, and a European father who was invariably described by friends, business associates, and the occasional enemy as “a gentleman of the old school” who was the definition of a cultured man of his time, it was inevitable that I was born and bred immersed in classical music. My parents supported the symphony, the opera, and the ballet, and our home was always filled with music.

    I can no more imagine not having that at the core of my being than I can conceive of not having grown up with a passion for art and literature– these things are so woven through the tapestry of my being that whomever such an individual might be, she would not at all be who I am.

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  27. Carey J. Inactive
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    @CareyJ

    Julia PA:

    publius 49: Will our grandchildren be listening to Dvorak and Faure?

    YES, if their grandparents include “this” music as part of the family culture and experience. Orchestras are realizing they must embrace their audiences where the audience is, not expect the audience to appear in the formal concert hall setting. That is why you are seeing more outreach projects, bringing orchestral musicians into local communities, creating interactions with children and families in less formal settings. Community teaching projects integrate collegiate programs with their neighborhoods. Families that take advantage of such opportunities build a wonderful musical heritage for themselves. Everyone may not become an elite musician capable of performing Dvorak or Faure, but ALL of us are musical at some level, unless the heart has stopped beating, or the solar system halts. Music is built into us, whether we acknowledge it or not.

    http://www.whitevinyldesign.com/solarbeat/

    These guys are pretty good ambassadors for classical music:

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  28. Carey J. Inactive
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    @CareyJ

    Shoshanna:

    To my ear there is no instrument so capable of stirring such a broad range of emotions as is the violin, and my two favorite works are Mendelssohn’s Violin Concerto in E Minor and Tchaikovsky’s Violin Concerto in D Major, followed closely by Brahm’s Violin Concerto in D Major– all, preferably, played by Itzhak Perlman.

     One of the most expressive violinists ever:

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  29. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    @Midge

    EThompson:

    Leigh:

    Boomerang:

    I never thought of Bach’s little Fugue as spooky… but that ol’ Toccata and Fugue in D Minor is sure to raise some excellent goosebumps.

    I know someone who loves Bach — and who I don’t think has anything against organ music — but dislikes the Toccata and Fugue in DMinor. Enough to skip the track on the CD — every time.

    Agree. Fugue in D is dreadful…

    Ray Kujawa:

    I love Bach, but I have reservations myself about the T&F in D minor…

    Wow, so much hate over T&F in d.

    So it’s overused and tricky to play sensitively. I still would have been immensely proud of myself if I had been the one who’d composed it.

    That’s my standard. When I hear music by famous composers that I myself would have been embarrassed to have written, then I know it’s bad. If I would have been over-the-moon proud to have written it, then I think it’s good.

    Some pieces that are tricky to perform are definitely worth the pains it takes to do them well, though others aren’t.

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  30. user_656019 Coolidge
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    @RayKujawa

    Julia PA:

    Ray Kujawa: It’s really a composition by Bach meant for the purpose of impressing another composer — a living acknowledged master of his day from North Germany — Dietrich Buxtehude.

    that is funny, I can picture Bach and Buxtehude with dueling organs at two opposite ends of a giant cathedral. That imagery seems to fit Bach’s Toccata & Fugue in D minor. Not sure either of them would have ever been so frivolous as to duel with organs, but it is a funny little imagery. :)

     Bach was the young one at the time, Buxtehude was the established master. Bach had to walk quite a distance to get to the town where Buxtehude was established in, and he stayed there a while. It was quite something for Bach to hear this master. The biography I read didn’t mention whether Bach got to play his piece, or show it to Buxtehude, or what the reaction was.

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