Communist Chinese Central Planners Stumped?

 

The most salient characteristic of communism is the government ownership and control of the means of production.  This signifies that private ownership of businesses is rare, or absent entirely.  And the economy is not the only feature of a society that communist governments seek to control.  The press, education, religion (if it is allowed at all), and the social lives of the people are all areas that communist governments control, or attempt to control.

Communist China has been building a “social credit” system, where everyone is under constant surveillance and is awarded “points” for obeying the many social rules handed down by government.  These rules are constantly changing, and it is sometimes the case that ordinary people are unaware of what they have done to get downgraded.  And if a citizen steps over the arbitrary lines, he can be denied a job, the ability to travel freely, and use of communication channels.

In 1979, the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) initiated its “one-child policy”, based upon the assumption, from population data at the time, that the country would become overpopulated, and the government might not be able to provide the population with enough food, water, and energy.  This policy was carried out, sometimes brutally, with a combination of propaganda, forced birth control and abortions, financial disincentives, and other measures. Neighborhoods had party cadres whose sole function was to make sure that women did not have more than one child, and to dispense birth control and advice.  Families were fined for ,more than one child, and single-child families were rewarded with better education and medical care for the entire family.

The policy was quite effective, and the rate of population growth in China slowed down significantly.  There were other, more-unpleasant side effects from this policy.  Ancient Chinese culture had, and has, a preference for male children, who were considered more valuable since they carried on the family name and did more work; female children were sometimes considered a burden, since they cost a “bride-price” when they were married off, which was a hardship for the millions of Chinese peasants who still populate the countryside.  This preference for male children led to the surreptitious killing of female babies, and has had the result of causing a lack of marriageable women in later years. The one-child policy has also resulted in a higher poverty rate for elderly citizens, who now only have one child to care for them in their old age. The other large effect has been the rapid aging of Chinese society, with many more elderly than children.

The CCP decided in 2015 that the one-child policy had overrun its usefulness, and they decided that their policy around births needed to be changed. At first, the Party communicated that women would now be allowed to have a second child without penalty.  Of course, they were hoping that the change would cause most reproductive-age women to fairly quickly decide to go ahead and get pregnant with the second child.  Well, that did not happen.  You see, the one-child policy also included delay of marriage by women, who were urged to have careers themselves, and not get married or have children until later.  Of course, the CCP neglected the female “ticking biological clock,” which reduces fertility as a woman ages.  Many women liked their careers and the income it brought them, too.

So this week, the Wall Street Journal published an article titled “Beijing Targets Low Birth Rate” about how the Communist Chinese government is attempting to juice the national birth rate.  It turns out that even a controlling communist government cannot simply turn the spigot of births, and immediately expect the country’s women to start spitting out more babies. There is a huge population inertia around children, and the ingrained one-child policy is proving difficult to reverse. Here are some quotes from the article.

China is now racing in the opposite direction, closing abortion clinics and expanding services to help couples conceive.  But a legacy of the one-child policy, scrapped in 2016, is a dwindling number of women of childbearing age as well as a generation of only children who are less eager to marry and start a family.…

Shandong province is known in China for sometimes extreme enforcement of birth restrictions, including a 1991 campaign in parts of the city of Liaocheng dubbed “Hundred Days, No Child”.  A 2012 documentary…details how local officials, to make their birth data look better, forced women found to be pregnant to abortion centers, even if the baby was their first and allowed under the one-child policy.…

Today, Shandong pays compensation or subsidies to millions of couples who lived by the rules, including retirees who now don’t have support because their only child died or became disabled or women who suffered injuries in connection with abortions or other birth-control methods.…

Beijing’s about-face–in six years going from harshly restriction how many children couples could have, to now encouraging them to have more–makes little mention of the lingering effects of the one-child policy on demographics, nor its human cost.

You don’t say!  The authoritarian Chinese Communist Party is discovering that there are some human behaviors that are very difficult for them to control, and society doesn’t turn on a dime, no matter how hard they push it.  The central planners are discovering that social control is a very delicate thing, and their long-standing policies which have had many adverse effects, are not so easy to reverse.  However, knowing the CCP, this will not make any difference to their mindset.  They will go on attempting to force their women to marry earlier and have more children, to reverse the effects of their earlier population policy, but it may take many more years for these policies to have any effect.  In the meantime, Chinese people will suffer, the workforce will shrink, and their booming economy may not boom so loudly.

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  1. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Two aspects of your analysis jump out at me:

    1. As @rufusrjones noted above, “Central planning is stupid.” There is no way for central planners to know enough about the circumstances and interests of large numbers of people, nor of how those people will react to the directives and incentives designed by the central planners to be able to reliably implement the goals of the central planners. I was actually impressed that the Chinese government was as successful as it was in implementing the one-child policy. But then I guess when you have a government willing to kill its own citizens to implement a policy, the government can get a lot of compliance. A side note on the inability of central planners to know enough to be reliable central planners is that although central planning is advocated as an answer to the tendency of people in general to be somewhat short-sighted. Central planning is supposed to take in the “long view.” But central planners are often just as short-sighted as the rest of us. 
    2. A particular aspect of short-sightedness of the Chinese central planners of the 1970s, and that remains a major component of modern advocates of central planning in the United States and Europe, the concept that people are liabilities rather than [potentially] creative productive assets. Today we see it not so much in the food arena, but in the “climate change” arena of central planning – exclusive focus on the “negative” impact each person makes on the environment, rather than recognizing that people are likely to create and to innovate, generating solutions to perceived problems. 
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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    2/3 of GDP is population growth. 

    Then they load up society with all kinds of debt via stupid central banking policies.

    These people are real geniuses.

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  3. I Walton Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    I Walton (View Comment):

    It’s pretty simple. Send a bunch of young males off to war. They don’t have a low population they have a slight imbalance that is easy to fix and chances are they will. Poor old people can just die. Young women will do fine. We don’t have that problem we have a problem where the folks at the top are clueless, also have too much power, and are not capable of fixing it. Those two realities poses a fundamental threat to the US’s future.

    I suspect that will be part of the plan but I doubt it will fix the problem. Authoritarians always overestimated their ability to use raw power to change things. That doesn’t mean it won’t be incredibly dangerous and that there won’t be a lot of pain and suffering for the world. It just means it is ultimately not likely to work out as they intend it too.

    I agree completely about your diagnosis of the US’s problems though.

    You are right it doesn’t fix anything, it just eliminates the US from the immediate competition.   If we can’t win the next election we will continue to centralize  and if we avoid war, (probably unlikely) we’ll just centralize into long term death,   Countries the size of the US and China are run by humans and are not capable of running a modern economy from the top which is done only in science fiction.  Humans centralize, corrupt, rot and decay. 

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  4. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    The Communist Chinese and American Leftists have two different delusions about human behavior.

    The Communist Chinese, and all other Communists more or less, believe that they can control every aspect of Society, and that individual humans are simply Workers who can be controlled at their whim.  Humans, to a Communist, are The Masses, and individuals do not matter.  They do not hesitate to cause major famine or mass murder (see Stalinist Purges and famine, and the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution).

    The American Left doesn’t really believe that they can control 100% of society, and don’t normally engage in mass murder or famine.  However, they do not understand that people respond to incentives, and they still tend to think that their economic and social policies will simply be accepted at face value, and have the effects they are supposedly trying to achieve.  When they increase taxes on the “rich”, they still think that those people will simply sit still and pay the higher taxes.  They estimate how much money a new or higher tax will generate for the government, but they are still surprised when the targets of the higher taxes change their behavior to minimize the effects of the taxes on their finances.  And the Left keeps behaving in the same way, and is continually upset when the people do, too, and their policies fail.  Every time.

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  5. carcat74 Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a hoax) (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    China does have a demographics problem. They have too many males and not enough females and they have a declining fertility rate brought about by “successful” restructuring of culture through the “one child policy” and an authoritarian state.

    That is old thinking. Males work hard and generate wealth for elites. They have enough population to run the world. There is no point in having more people than that. The only people that matter are the million or so CCP members. Everyone else is no different than cattle.

    But, they need more ‘cattle’ to run their factories, plant and grow their food, do their laundry, raise their livestock. The population is aging, so the ‘cattle’ need replacing.  So—you peasants had all better ‘get busy’!!!

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    This is a very interesting discussion.

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    The only thing that the Fed can actually do is set interest rates.  Prices and unemployment are secondary effects.

    Can’t it create money, soak up money, and cause inflation and deflation?

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    Basically:

    Probably having a central bank simply back up the financial system in a punitive way is a good thing.

    The stupid regime we have now is stupid because the central bankers should have gone to all of their legislatures and said look you have to get ready for the deflation from computers, automation, and trade after the Soviet Union fell. If they don’t do that, the whole thing is just bogus. 

    So now we are in a world of hurt. 

    Something like that.

     

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    This is fine. 

     

     

     

     

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