Vaccine? No, Not Really.

 

The jab is a vaccine, or at least that’s what it’s called, but it really isn’t.  It is not a vaccine as vaccines were once understood.  It is an invasive genetic delivery therapy and consists of an injected mixture containing nanocarbon fibers, lipids, and strands of mRNA designed specifically to reprogram a cell’s DNA, its genes, and its purpose.  Instead of say, assembling within a scaffold of proteins designed to contract on command (example: muscle cell), the former muscle cell is reprogrammed by the mRNA to give up its duties and madly make COVID spike proteins until it burns out.

mRNA must work quickly or it breaks down.  It cannot enter a cell on its own.  Enter dense lipids, to protect the mRNA, and carbon nanoparticles to penetrate cell walls and allow the mRNA to enter a cell.  The manufactured spike proteins leak out of the now compromised cell and drift though the circulatory and lymphatic systems, until they locate an ACE2 receptor on the surface of cell and bind with it.  In theory, this would close a pathway for a potential COVID cell infection.  In addition, these circulating spike proteins will eventually be recognized by your immune system as invasive and will prompt an antibody response to neutralize them.  These same antibodies would respond to actual proteins on a COVID spike, effectively neutralizing any COVID viruses post-exposure.

Historically, vaccines for viral infections have been incredibly effective.  Small pox?  Eradicated.  Polio?  Virtually eliminated.  Chickenpox, the mumps, the measles, rubella, whooping cough?  Gone.  In the public mind, viral vaccinations are miraculous.  So, when this new mRNA technology was elevated to “vaccine” status, the CDC and NIH effectively tapped into the public’s vaccine goodwill.  But this new “vaccine” wasn’t a vaccine at all.  It was gene therapy, both unproven and unapproved.  The definition change is an old-fashioned bait and switch.

Redefining vaccines to include invasive mRNA genetic therapy also served another, more nefarious purpose.  It allowed the manufacturers to hide behind the legal liability shield provided generally to producers of vaccines.  Had the therapy been relegated to therapeutic status, producers would have to defend themselves against civil claims for possible harmful, even fatal, side effects.  And they might lose.

I submit, dear readers, that had the public known these things, many more folks would have been reluctant to participate in mass injection.  Further, if they knew that cell lines harvested from aborted fetuses were needed to develop the tests for the efficacy and safety of this therapy, even more people would have balked.

Further, the NIH, CDC, and vaccine manufacturers obviously did not know whether these new “vaccines” would be effective.  Authorizations were “emergency”.  They hoped they would be effective and if wishing were real, they all would have been, but wishing is never a good reason to place a bet.  These new vaccines have now proven to be largely ineffective.  They are not lasting, hence require constant boosters.  They do not prevent infection, hence breakthrough cases are now the norm.  They do not staunch infectiousness as those who get COVID, even if vaxed, boosted and asymptomatic, still shed virus and infect others.  They are not durable as new strains of the virus, like Omicron, are not deterred by the vaccines.  The only thing we know for certain: breakthrough cases are less mortal than infections in the unvaxed.  However, as with all respiratory viruses, evolved variants are also proving to be less harmful and more virulent than their predecessors

It is clear now that mRNA so-called vaccines seem to do only one thing; they reduce the severity of a COVID 19 infection.  There is a medical term for a treatment that reduces the severity of a viral infection: a therapeutic.  Government agencies have oversold this mRNA technology at every turn, even elevating it to “vaccine” status.  This was an abuse of language for political ends, largely benefitting the virus purveyors and their investors.  It’s time this mRNA therapy is purged from the definition of what constitutes a vaccine.  It is an invasive gene therapy.  At best, mRNA therapy has proven to be only therapeutic, a treatment whose benefits are limited and may not outweigh the risks for many easily discernable segments of the population.  The vaccine liability shield should not apply to these therapies.  Perhaps it is time to alert the trial lawyers.  The immense gains accumulated by the hucksters pushing this stuff have proven illegitimate.  And the therapy itself may well prove harmful to many while those harmed have had no good recourse.

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  1. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    I have friends who respond to genetically modified organisms (GMOs) with abject horror. Guess what? If you’ve been vaxxed, you are a GMO.

    Have a nice day.

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  2. Doug Kimball Thatcher
    Doug Kimball
    @DougKimball

    Percival (View Comment):

    I have friends who respond to genetically modified organisms (GMOs) with abject horror. Guess what? If you’ve been vaxxed, you are a GMO.

    Have a nice day.

    I can’t like this enough times.  Like times infinity to the power of infinity.

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Interesting distinction. 

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Doug Kimball: It is clear now that mRNA so-called vaccines seem to do only one thing; they reduce the severity of a COVID 19 infection.  

    They also do another thing: rake in billions for Moderna and Pfizer, directly from the taxpayer to their bank accounts.

    Doug Kimball: There is a medical term for a treatment that reduces the severity of a viral infection: a therapeutic.

    Yep, that’s the word I’ve been using for a couple months now.

    Doug Kimball: Perhaps it is time to alert the trial lawyers.

    Wouldn’t that be awesome?

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  5. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Doug Kimball: So, when this new MRNA technology was elevated to “vaccine” status, the CDC and NIH effectively tapped into the public’s vaccine goodwill.  But this new “vaccine” wasn’t a vaccine at all.  It was gene therapy, both unproven and unapproved.  The definition change is an old-fashioned bait and switch.

    Good point.  Maybe we should call it something other than a vaccine . . .

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Doug Kimball: So, when this new MRNA technology was elevated to “vaccine” status, the CDC and NIH effectively tapped into the public’s vaccine goodwill. 

    And have now made people more suspicious of actual, working vaccines.

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  7. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a hoax)
    @DonG

    These are most effective vaccines ever created for a corona virus.  Unfortunately, “most effective” is not really that effective.  Maybe, it is just is impossible to make an effective vaccine for the common cold.

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  8. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    This is why I don’t believe the authorized sites, publications and messaging.  Johns Hopkins says a lot of garbage on its own site such as this:

    MYTH: The messenger RNA technology used to make the COVID-19 vaccine is brand new.

    FACT: The mRNA technology behind the new coronavirus vaccines has been in development for almost two decades. Vaccine makers created the technology to help them respond quickly to a new pandemic illness, such as COVID-19.

    “Development” can be trial and error and chocked full of failures, and does not say that what has been “in development” is functional, or fully understood, or proven in any way.  But this is what Hopkins passes for “fact checking”.

    In other words its usage in this kind of vaccine is in fact “brand new”.  But it uses misdirection using the broad word “technology” to make the vaccine appear to its readers and patients as something that it is not.

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  9. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    Doug Kimball: Small pox?  Eradicated.  Polio?  Virtually eliminated.  Chicken pox, the mumps, the measles, rubella, whooping cough?  Gone.

    The whooping cough protection wore off. And you’ve not included the less successful pneumonia and flu “vaccines” in your list. 

    I agree that there needs to be a new name for a group of protective somethings that fall between absolute and some protection. 

    But I can’t fault the vaccine developers for calling these new preventive medicines “vaccines.” I do fault the government at all levels across the board for misrepresenting them and making people get them. But that is not the companies’ fault. 

     

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  10. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    MarciN (View Comment):

    But I can’t fault the vaccine developers for calling these new preventive medicines “vaccines.” I do fault the government at all levels across the board for misrepresenting them and making people get them. But that is not the companies’ fault. 

     

    Other than them taking a portion of their massive profits and using them to sponsor all the news shows, and to finance political campaigns for politicians with the ‘right’ views.

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  11. Doug Kimball Thatcher
    Doug Kimball
    @DougKimball

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball: Small pox? Eradicated. Polio? Virtually eliminated. Chicken pox, the mumps, the measles, rubella, whooping cough? Gone.

    The whooping cough protection wore off. And you’ve not included the less successful pneumonia and flu “vaccines” in your list.

    I agree that there needs to be a new name for a group of protective somethings that fall between absolute and some protection.

    But I can’t fault the vaccine developers for calling these new preventive medicines “vaccines.” I do fault the government at all levels across the board for misrepresenting them and making people get them. But that is not the companies’ fault.

    Whooping cough vaccines protect those vulnerable, children and like the chicken pox vax, they do decline over time.  Older folks should consider a shingles booster (late chicken-pox virus reinfection).  As for the flu vaccines, that’s a tough one.  There are so many variants and they emerge so quickly and easily, it is very difficult to predict which emerging flues will prove difficult in a given year.  That’s a crapshoot.  Pneumonia is an excess of fluid in the lungs that can have many causes.  If it is caused by a common streptococcus bacteria, a vaccine might help.  These vaccines contain bits of protein from dead bacteria of several common varieties of strep that when injected, stimulate an immune response.  They use these vaccines in kids to fight common ear infections and in older folks at a risk for pneumonia (the same ones at risk for COVID.)

    BTW, the companies made billions on these vaccines.  They took full advantage of our government’s naivete and panic.  We paid for development and for the jabs themselves.  We exempted them from risk.  If any contracts should have been cost plus, it should have been these.  Instead, we allowed them outrageous guaranteed margins.  Now that the vaccines have turned out to be a bust, I want to sue for breech of implied warrantee, fitness for a particular purpose!

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  12. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell
    @JimMcConnell

    Flicker (View Comment):
    FACT: The mRNA technology behind the new coronavirus vaccines has been in development for almost two decades. Vaccine makers created the technology to help them respond quickly to a new pandemic illness, such as COVID-19.

    And then they used a lab in Wuhan, China to develop a virus on which to test the efficacy of the technology?

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  13. Doug Kimball Thatcher
    Doug Kimball
    @DougKimball

    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is why I don’t believe the authorized sites, publications and messaging. Johns Hopkins says a lot of garbage on its own site such as this:

    MYTH: The messenger RNA technology used to make the COVID-19 vaccine is brand new.

    FACT: The mRNA technology behind the new coronavirus vaccines has been in development for almost two decades. Vaccine makers created the technology to help them respond quickly to a new pandemic illness, such as COVID-19.

    “Development” can be trial and error and chocked full of failures, and does not say that what has been “in development” is functional, or fully understood, or proven in any way. But this is what Hopkins passes for “fact checking”.

    In other words its usage in this kind of vaccine is in fact “brand new”. But it uses misdirection using the broad word “technology” to make the vaccine appear to its readers and patients as something that it is not.

    No better than junior high school debate tricks.  These people are so smug and patronizing.  It’s maddening,

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  14. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    Now that the vaccines have turned out to be a bust, I want to sue for breech of implied warrantee, fitness for a particular purpose!

    Absolutely.

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  15. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is why I don’t believe the authorized sites, publications and messaging. Johns Hopkins says a lot of garbage on its own site such as this:

    MYTH: The messenger RNA technology used to make the COVID-19 vaccine is brand new.

    FACT: The mRNA technology behind the new coronavirus vaccines has been in development for almost two decades. Vaccine makers created the technology to help them respond quickly to a new pandemic illness, such as COVID-19.

    “Development” can be trial and error and chocked full of failures, and does not say that what has been “in development” is functional, or fully understood, or proven in any way. But this is what Hopkins passes for “fact checking”.

    In other words its usage in this kind of vaccine is in fact “brand new”. But it uses misdirection using the broad word “technology” to make the vaccine appear to its readers and patients as something that it is not.

    No better than junior high school debate tricks. These people are so smug and patronizing. It’s maddening,

    And this is Johns Hopkins.  You can’t get more “credentialed” than that.

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  16. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    Now that the vaccines have turned out to be a bust, I want to sue for breech of implied warrantee, fitness for a particular purpose!

    Absolutely.

    Too much chance that the waiver will hold up.  I prefer a different tactic.  Remember the Windfall Profits Tax for oil companies way back when?  Yeah, let’s do that.

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  17. Doug Kimball Thatcher
    Doug Kimball
    @DougKimball

    One question is, how will one’s immune system react to naked spike proteins bound to the plethora of AC2 receptor cells, say, on the epithelial cells lining the lungs, encircling the the heart, surrounding the kidneys or in the blood brain barrier?  I think everyone who has had the vaccine or is thinking about it (perhaps as a booster) would like to know.

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  18. Doug Kimball Thatcher
    Doug Kimball
    @DougKimball

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    FACT: The mRNA technology behind the new coronavirus vaccines has been in development for almost two decades. Vaccine makers created the technology to help them respond quickly to a new pandemic illness, such as COVID-19.

    And then they used a lab in Wuhan, China to develop a virus on which to test the efficacy of the technology?

    Even Michael Crichton, RIP, were he still with us, could not have made this up.

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  19. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    Whooping cough vaccines protect those vulnerable

    Unless their caregivers are carrying it and give it to them before they are old enough to get the vaccine. The year before my grandson was born, 2010, there was an outbreak of whooping cough in California. Ten babies died. That’s about as serious as it gets. It happened because the boomers’ vaccines wore off.

    The nation’s nurses got everyone vaccinated against tetanus and kept them vaccinated because those vaccines wear off too. Every time people went into the emergency room or saw their doctor for a regular checkup, the nurses would ask: When did you last have a tetanus shot? If the patients couldn’t remember, they got a tetanus shot.

    I understand the fear of these covid vaccines, but I don’t think it is fair to fault to the companies for calling them “vaccines” or for recommending them as a preventive strategy. A lot of vaccines wear off after a while.

    These covid vaccines do stimulate the body to produce antibodies. That’s as efficacious as I need them to be. I think it is impossible to know how many cases they actually prevented. There are simply too many variables such as innate immunity to ever know for sure. But that’s true for all vaccines. How do we ever know how many cases they have prevented?

    I am opposed to the mandates, but I think the vaccines will turn out to have been a good innovation in preventing disease.

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  20. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    Now that the vaccines have turned out to be a bust, I want to sue for breech of implied warrantee, fitness for a particular purpose!

    Absolutely.

    Too much chance that the waiver will hold up. I prefer a different tactic. Remember the Windfall Profits Tax for oil companies way back when? Yeah, let’s do that.

    It’ll be a shot in the arm for the deficit.

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  21. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    One question is, how will one’s immune system react to naked spike proteins bound to the plethora of AC2 receptor cells, say, on the epithelial cells lining the lungs, encircling the the heart, surrounding the kidneys or in the blood brain barrier? I think everyone who has had the vaccine or is thinking about it (perhaps as a booster) would like to know.

    And people have written that studies (Japan?) show that the lipid encapsulation floats the mRNA throughout the bodies’ blood stream, and one MD commented that the cardiac muscle derives more nutrition from fats than carbs, unlike skeletal muscle.  Sounds like the mRNA could be being delivered directly to cardiac tissue.

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  22. Fritz Coolidge
    Fritz
    @Fritz

    The FDA did a real bait and switch when they “approved” a Pfizer covid product that was and is unavailable in the US, but claimed it was basically the same thing as the Pfizer one that has been made available under the Emergency Use Authorization.

    In my state (WA), TV PSA ads are frequent, making the claim that the “vaccine” has full approval and is safe and effective.  That is a lie.

    Further, the Nuremburg principle remains in effect (though never codified into US law) that no one can legally be forced to submit to a medical experiment without full knowledge and informed consent. The EUA jab remains experimental, with studies not to conclude until 2023 or later, but this issue did not even come up in the arguments in the US Supreme Court over the OSHA and health care worker mandates. Shameful. And if one points any of this out, one is condemned as a conspiracy theorist and worse, amid mass hysteria and the ongoing madness of crowds.

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  23. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Fritz (View Comment):
    Further, the Nuremburg principle remains in effect (though never codified into US law) that no one can legally be forced to submit to a medical experiment without full knowledge and informed consent.

    And it’s impossible to have informed consent when we’re denied information.

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  24. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Doug Kimball: But this new “vaccine” wasn’t a vaccine at all.  It was gene therapy, both unproven and unapproved.  The definition change is an old-fashioned bait and switch.  

    We see these liberties taken with changing the definition of words by fiat by Leftists frequently these days. What else can we expect when the government is loaded with Marxists employees and elected officials?

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  25. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball: So, when this new MRNA technology was elevated to “vaccine” status, the CDC and NIH effectively tapped into the public’s vaccine goodwill.

    And have now made people more suspicious of actual, working vaccines.

    Trump, as POTUS revealed much about the reality of the political scene as well as the level of corruption in our intelligence agencies and law enforcement. The Virginia state offices election and reactions to Covid increased the visibility of the corruption in our public education and now Fauci and his minions have enlightened us on the intensity of corruption in health care.

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  26. Doug Kimball Thatcher
    Doug Kimball
    @DougKimball

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    Whooping cough vaccines protect those vulnerable

    Unless their caregivers are carrying it and give it to them before they are old enough to get the vaccine. The year before my grandson was born, 2010, there was an outbreak of whooping cough in California. Ten babies died. That’s about as serious as it gets. I have always blamed the CDC for those deaths. Why weren’t they shouting from every rooftop that the boomers needed a booster? I would have been.

    I had splenectomy that year. (Long story. :-) ) I had to have a bunch of vaccines before I left. The nurses were careful to make sure I got them all. Hah! Not included was the whooping cough vaccine. I had to really chase it down the following year when my grandson was born. I had read about this terrible problem of the boomers’ immunity wearing off. I still can’t believe how many hoops I had to go through to get it. It wasn’t available in my doctor’s office.

    I was furious at the time I know how the nation’s nurses got everyone vaccinated against tetanus. Every time someone went into the emergency room or saw their doctor for a regular checkup, they would ask: When did you last have a tetanus shot? If the patient couldn’t remember, he or she got one.

    Some vaccines wear off.

    I understand the fear of these covid vaccines, but I don’t think it is fair to fault to the companies for calling them “vaccines” or to recommend them as a preventive strategy.

    These vaccines do stimulate the body to produce antibodies. That’s as efficacious as I need them to be. I think it is impossible to know how many cases they actually prevented. There are simply too many variables such as innate immunity to ever know for sure. But that’s true for all vaccines. How do we ever know how many cases they have prevented? We cannot read the human immune system yet the way we can read the DNA system.

    I am opposed to the mandates, but I think the vaccines will turn out to have been a good innovation in preventing disease.

    Innate immunity?  It is possible, but not likely.  There was talk of someone with innate immunity to HIV.  It was not transferable.  Naturally acquired immunity (from prior infection) is robust with at least 28 COVID specific protein antibodies (not just a single spike protein antibody) derived naturally, along with Lymphocyte and Neutrophil immunity.  This is what will drive SARS Cov2 into obscurity, when enough people gain natural immunity.  Further infection and variants will be mild and short lived and will simply boost the immunity of the infected as they arise and appear.  The unvaccinated, by then primarily children, will slough it off like a mild cold.  It might stick around, but it won’t be much trouble for healthy folks.  For the unhealthy, it might be one more last straw among the many, or not.  Time will tell.  No one wants to be sick when they are old and infirm, but then again, most of us won’t live forever.

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  27. Doug Kimball Thatcher
    Doug Kimball
    @DougKimball

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball: But this new “vaccine” wasn’t a vaccine at all. It was gene therapy, both unproven and unapproved. The definition change is an old-fashioned bait and switch.

    We see these liberties taken with changing the definition of words by fiat by Leftists frequently these days. What else can we expect when the government is loaded with Marxists employees and elected officials?

    We go before a judge or a panel of judges.  We apply the liability exemption based upon the specific definition of a vaccine that existed at the time the law was enacted to establish legislative intent.  We review mRNA delivery therapy and debate whether it fits the definition, considering both its mechanism and its efficacy.  The courts will decide.  If it is not judged to be a vaccine covered by the law as originally intended, then the liability shield is forfeit.  Let the torts begin!

    Bureaucrats cannot redefine words used in specific legislation to subvert a law’s original intent or to prevent its enforcement.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    The courts will decide.  If it is not judged to be a vaccine covered by the law as originally intended, then the liability shield is forfeit.  Let the torts begin!

    Visions of Roberts declaring it a vaccine anyway in order to “protect the reputation of the court.”

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  29. Fritz Coolidge
    Fritz
    @Fritz

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball: But this new “vaccine” wasn’t a vaccine at all. It was gene therapy, both unproven and unapproved. The definition change is an old-fashioned bait and switch.

    We see these liberties taken with changing the definition of words by fiat by Leftists frequently these days. What else can we expect when the government is loaded with Marxists employees and elected officials?

    We go before a judge or a panel of judges. We apply the liability exemption based upon the specific definition of a vaccine that existed at the time the law was enacted to establish legislative intent. We review mRNA delivery therapy and debate whether it fits the definition, considering both its mechanism and its efficacy. The courts will decide. If it is not judged to be a vaccine covered by the law as originally intended, then the liability shield is forfeit. Let the torts begin!

    Bureaucrats cannot redefine words used in specific legislation to subvert a law’s original intent or to prevent its enforcement.

    But if they can unearth an old tweet or something like it that supports their desired outcome, then there it is. Like the Hawaii (I think it was) judge who relied on old Trump quotes about Muslim terror to base a finding that the Trump’s so-called “Muslim ban”, neutral on its face, was motiviated by such animus, and so illegally discriminatory.

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  30. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    Now that the vaccines have turned out to be a bust, I want to sue for breech of implied warrantee, fitness for a particular purpose!

    Absolutely.

    It’s not worth getting the jab just to sue over the jab.

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