Say Hello To Our Newest Podcast: Kaus/Limbaugh
We're proud to announce the newest addition to the Ricochet pantheon of podcasts, Kaus/Limbaugh. As long time listeners of the Ricochet Podcast know, Mickey Kaus (now blogging for our friends at DailyCaller.com) is hands down our favorite Democrat and the only one on the left we'd let anywhere near a microphone around here. David Limbaugh is a consummate conservative, and is one of our most popular contributors. So it was a no-brainer to pair them up to debate the issues of the day. Thankfully, they agreed.
In the premiere episode, they air it out on Wisconsin and the future of public sector unions, debate the Middle East and what Obama is doing right and wrong, hash over the budget battles, engage in a heated discussion about racism and the Tea Party, and finish things up pondering, duh, Charlie Sheen.
However, since the end of Socialism on Ricochet has been declared, we are obligated to inform you that future episodes of this podcast will be only be available to Ricochet members. So, join today!
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Oct '10
Re: Say Hello To Our Newest Podcast: Kaus/Limbaugh
blogginheads was never the same without kaus. the leftwingers there treated him like joe lieberman.
May '10
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Apparently bigotry against the south will never end.
Jul '10
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I would like somebody to explain to me how there are inherently more "racists" on the conservative side of the spectrum. Considering the leftist intelligentsia and political leadership have advocated and implemented policies which have all but killed the black family. Policies that have created multiple generations of inner-city blacks completely dependent upon the government. And worst of all, in my opinion, have facilitated the greatest genocide in American history in the murder of unborn black children.
People like Barak Obama absolutely know the social effects of their policies yet they continue to work towards implementing them. In my opinion people like Kaus are useful idiots, willfully keeping themselves blind to the realities of the black plight in this country.
Nov '10
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Every 3rd word out of a Wisconsin Republican's mouth should be Incest.
It would turn every head in the state...and there's your opening to educate the public. If average folks understood the institutional impropriety of the public unions, it might not exist. Surely it would poll differently. Most people don't like stacked decks. Only political junkies are aware of the incest between the Government and the public unions. Where the Left loves the incest, I doubt the political Center would.
Edited on Mar 6, 2011 at 9:52pmDec '10
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I used to think Mickey was an OK guy.
Then I listened to him talk for an hour.
I am now disabused me of that notion.
If Mr. Kaus truly is one of the most reasonable people on his side, it is a damned miracle that the day to day howling and gnashing of teeth from the left is even as "civil" as it is right now.
Good Lord man, and they say folks on the right live in an "echo chamber".
Edited on Mar 6, 2011 at 11:49pmDec '10
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CoolHand: I used to think Mickey was an OK guy.
Then I listened to him talk for an hour.
I am now disabused me of that notion.
I'm about halfway through the podcast now and I'm not finding Mr. Kaus to be grating or off-putting at all. Granted, him and Mr. Limbaugh are just about to discuss the budget, so things could get dicey.
Am I just a big squish like Mr. Long? (Huge fan of Rob Long here, and, for the record, I don't think he's squishy at all). I have no problems with hearing lefty arguments when they are presented in a polite manner. I may be in the minority on this issue and I'm quite willing to accept that.
Hearing well presented and polite thoughts from the other side helps me formulate my thinking and beliefs, and allows me to properly understand and defend my positions.
Edited on Mar 7, 2011 at 7:20amJan '11
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Here's a plug for anyone considering joining - DO IT! DO IT NOW!
That was my Schwartzenegger voice, by the way.
Jul '10
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There is no need for another podcast involving Mr. Kaus. He brings no facts to the conversation. I will not listen to a repeating of inaccurate stereotypes.
Im violent because I own a gun? Really! I must also be stupid because I don't have a degree? A racist because I didn't vote for President Obama? A Misogynist because I open doors for women? Intolerant because Im a Christian? and greedy because I work in the petro industry?
Did you see the twitter death threats meant for Gov. Scott Walker. @ the Wisconsin union rallies, the same stupid Hitler signs and signs with targets. Shouting down any dissenting view. Did you hear the racism @ the codepink/Koch rally against Clarence Thomas and death threats against others on the right. All from the left.
I don't need to agree with Mr. Kaus or his ilk, I would just like to see the FACTS that back up there thinking. Bring something verifiable to the conversation.
Now if you will excuse me I need to go clean my guns. Wow I hope Im mentally stable enough for that ......
Dec '10
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Michael Horn
I'm about halfway through the podcast now and I'm not finding Mr. Kaus to be grating or off-putting at all. Granted, him and Mr. Limbaugh are just about to discuss the budget, so things could get dicey.
He was doing fine, right up until he got to the "Just admit that the knuckle dragging racists inherent to your side are more likely to own guns and try to kill the president." part, then he made me angry. The flippant way that he just assumes these things especially grates on me.
If I said something like "Since your side has all the gays, and gays are more likely to have HIV than regular people, Democrats obviously have a much higher chance of getting HIV than Republicans." there would be no end to the excoriation I'd be in store for.
But because he's talking about largely southern white gun owners, it's OK to call them out as racists and would-be assassins.
I also find him to be somewhat impervious to reality, visa vi his ability to assign the noblest of intentions to Obama, regardless of what he really did or said.
Nov '10
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I enjoyed the opportunity to hear material from the other side of the fence, and felt Mr. Kaus was doing a decent job of representing and informing me of how the left perceives things in line with the spirit and nature of Ricochet. Until, that is, the end of the "C" segment.
I thought "C" was actually one of the best fleshed out discussions of the podcast, and was very disappointed Mr. Kaus did not respond to the question as to whether or not he felt concern for future generations. His skirting of that answer lead directly into the tragedy that was the conversation about Race.
First, it really was not a necessary conversation because, in retrospect, it could only lead to where it did. But considering how Mr. Kaus has been represented to date, I was very, very disappointed in the reality of him. I can't even challenge the substance, because there was no there there.
And while I am hardly the member to criticize the conversation dipping into Pop Culture, the dive into Charlie Sheen territory was unnecessary, even a little gratuitous.
I do look forward to the next conversation to see how it evolves.
Thanks guys!
Dec '10
Re: Say Hello To Our Newest Podcast: Kaus/Limbaugh
CoolHand
He was doing fine, right up until he got to the "Just admit that the knuckle dragging racists inherent to your side are more likely to own guns and try to kill the president." part, then he made me angry. The flippant way that he just assumes these things especially grates on me.
You're right. The conversation quickly devolved as soon as race was brought up. I think that Lance is right, that the topic didn't need to be brought up, but that doesn't excuse Mr. Kaus from his comments, which were almost completely false.
Dec '10
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Well, I know Mr. Kaus is held up as less to the left than most of the (D)s. However, listening to this podcast, I would say he sounds exactly like the breakfast table newspapers, the over-the-airwaves newscasts, the tax-funded PBS, not to mention my well-educated lefty friends. The conservatives are racist, love their violence-producing gun rights, etc.
Unfortunately, Mr. Limbaugh sort of went along with it, defensively, without the list of facts that would make a different case. For example, I would ask Mr. Kaus to address the fact that the Tucson area schools that Mr. Loughner (the shooter) went to were lined up with Bill Ayers' curriculum and that the kid became non-religious except for the skull alter he had in his back yard. You can say he was nuts, but he was steeped in leftist theology. Also, I would ask Mr. Kaus to square his comments on guns with the ongoing Gunrunner program, which is killing thousands in Mexico and even over our border inside the U.S.
Is Ricochet going to be a new, complete presentation of info? Accommodation of propaganda will be disappointing. We already are steeped in that.
Dec '10
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BTW, I live in a border state and so I care when the govt is providing guns to the cartels. Thousands (literally, thousands! 3,000 dead in Juarez, just in one year - 2010!) are being killed, wounded, and intimidated in Mexico and our government is arming the slaughters! Mr. Kaus, please talk about reality... read this and discuss...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml
Hints of this came out a while back, but only to try to smear the gun shop owners. No indication that our own government is arranging to arm the cartel thugs. Specifics: If the program started in 2005, has the number of guns crossing over into Mexico increased since 2009, as the number of deaths has increased? And, second, what is the ATF's set up with the gun sellers? Mr. Kaus, you easily diss people trying to protect their houses, but not a word about this ongoing program?
May '10
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People die when you let tyrannical systems "run their course." And post-Soviet Russia is a clear example of the lasting cultural harm of communism long after its demise.
A nation choosing freedom is no more inevitable than an individual choosing virtue. It doesn't just happen on its own.
As I said before, modern Egypt needs democracy like Charles Manson needs a telephone. A representative government in Egypt would be an enemy of the United States and Jews everywhere.
Conservatives believe taxes are already too high. So a willingness to leave taxes where they are is a compromise. The "services" our government needs money for are services we don't want. Reduce government.
Kaus calls Obama "sincere", "middle-of-the-road", "the most anti-union President we've had in a long time", and "not far away from [David] on the deficit." "Everybody voted their race" in Obama's election?
This man has no credibility. David needs a new co-host. Kaus can be reasonable, but I will not sit through such nonsense again in hope of occasional rationality.
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Sunlight:
Unfortunately, Mr. Limbaugh sort of went along with it, defensively, without the list of facts that would make a different case. For example, I would ask Mr. Kaus to address the fact that the Tucson area schools that Mr. Loughner (the shooter) went to were lined up with Bill Ayers' curriculum and that the kid became non-religious except for the skull alter he had in his back yard. You can say he was nuts, but he was steeped in leftist theology.
Is Ricochet going to be a new, complete presentation of info? Accommodation of propaganda will be disappointing. We already are steeped in that. · Mar 7 at 12:48pm
I am a bit surprised that you would suggest that I went along with Mickey's characterization. I even made the point explicitly that Loughner was a leftist -- same word you used. And I disagreed with him at every turn on the race issue. So while I wouldn't ordinarily respond to a thread about a podcast (I guess I wouldn't LOL), I don't want people who didn't listen getting the impression that I didn't challenge Mickey on his point.
May '10
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David Limbaugh
So while I wouldn't ordinarily respond to a thread about a podcast...
Why wouldn't you? Such threads are opened because the podcast discussions are jumping off points for further discussions. Your participation needn't be limited to the opening salvo.
If I had to choose between listening to any contributors and conversing with them, I would always choose conversation.
I do hope you continue to be involved in Ricochet podcasts one way or another, David.
Dec '10
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David Limbaugh
I am a bit surprised that you would suggest that I went along with Mickey's characterization. I even made the point explicitly that Loughner was a leftist -- same word you used. And I disagreed with him at every turn on the race issue. So while I wouldn't ordinarily respond to a thread about a podcast (I guess I wouldn't LOL), I don't want people who didn't listen getting the impression that I didn't challenge Mickey on his point. · Mar 7 at 1:40pm
You did counter him, but without facts and figures. He's talking feelings and impressions. We can only counter them with facts and figures. They won't change their minds, but fencesitting listeners might. So, maybe, a list of per capita incomes of their "diversity" race categories in blue vs. red areas... Rush mentioned that education film Waiting for Superman and, having almost two decades of dealing with a sinking state, I'd say you could use a bunch of that film with Mr. Kaus re facts/figures vs. feelings/"falsefairness". Anyway, I've listened to you before and that is why I listened now... you have valuable insights.
Nov '10
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To whom would the Left refer us to if we were to ask them who their great thinkers were? Who are there indispensables? Who are their Victor Davis Hansons, George Wills, Charles Krauthammers, and the like? By this I mean who are the spokespeople from their side that are not of the entertainer/pundit variety, but those that put forth regular and serious work and who represent their side in a regular and serious manner.
We are obviously we are locked into our perspective, and I think we try our mightiest to represent that our perspective is based on an emotional connection to our values and an academic appreciation for what we see and experience the other side doing and saying. The part about the show that struck me as the most disappointing was how easy the left side of the conversation fell into cliche and hyperbole. Not an examination of the origins of such perceptions, but a de facto endorsement and wholesale repudiation of anything to the contrary.
Mr. Limbaugh, with the exception of the dip into Charlie Sheen, I think you represented yourself well. I thank you for agreeing to do so.
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Aaron Miller
David Limbaugh
So while I wouldn't ordinarily respond to a thread about a podcast...
Why wouldn't you? Such threads are opened because the podcast discussions are jumping off points for further discussions. Your participation needn't be limited to the opening salvo.
If I had to choose between listening to any contributors and conversing with them, I would always choose conversation.
I do hope you continue to be involved in Ricochet podcasts one way or another, David. · Mar 7 at 2:02pm
Aaron: I didn't mean I wouldn't participate in a threat I'd originated, but this was a podcast people were critiquing, so I thought I'd stay out of it. But upon second thought, I guess it's not just critiquing, but further discussion, so, I stand corrected.
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Sunlight
You did counter him, but without facts and figures. He's talking feelings and impressions. We can only counter them with facts and figures. They won't change their minds, but fencesitting listeners might. So, maybe, a list of per capita incomes of their "diversity" race categories in blue vs. red areas...
Well, I think it's more than facts and figures. We can point out that liberal good intentions don't translate into good results, and we do often make that point, but it's more than that. I want to challenge the intangibles as well. I don't want to let a person accuse conservatives of racism without challenging it. Simply to point to "facts and figures" robotically proves nothing about whether racism is in your heart. It might demonstrate the failure of liberal prescriptions and their futility, but it still doesn't answer the central charge. I can be a rabid racist and still advocate policies that benefit all people (which I believe is what conservative economic policies do), but that has nothing to do with racism, except it lends credence to the fact that we approach policy through colorblind lenses. So I respectfully disagree.