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In anticipation of Salvatore Cordileone’s installation as Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco yesterday, Marc Andrus, the Episcopalian Bishop of California, issued what could be called a welcome letter. Here's how a friend characterized it:

Welcome to Super Gay San Francisco, Salvatore! I'll be civil toward you because we've worked together on the Millennium Development Goals, but I consider your theology about sex oppressive and will not sugar-coat that. Meanwhile, I trust you will never say anything critical of the Episcopal Church or of me. And hey, if anyone in your archdiocese's sexual left is reading this, life is great in the Episcopal Church. Come on over!

So imagine Andrus' surprise when he showed up to Cordileone's installation yesterday and was not treated as the most important guest of honor in the history of the world's installation services. Here's the AP:

Andrus said he was taken to a basement room with other invited guests, then left waiting as ushers showed everyone but him to their seats in the sanctuary, Joseph Mathews, an Episcopal spokesman said. He was still waiting when the mass had started, so he left, Mathews said.

San Francisco Archdiocese spokesman George Wesolek chalked it up to a misunderstanding. Andrus had arrived late and missed the procession of interfaith clergy who were to be seated up front. Church staff were looking for an opportunity to bring the bishop in without disrupting the service, according to Wesolek. When they went to retrieve him, he had already left.

And Andrus is livid. He's issued multiple press releases about his poor treatment and the Episcopal press has taken to their fainting couches.

I know this is because I'm a Missouri-Synod Lutheran, and our clergy have to prove their ability to win a bar fight before they are certified for ordination (or so I've heard), but Andrus needs to man up.

If he wants to use his big boy words, fine. But learn to deal with the consequences. Temper tantrums are unbecoming. And get to the church on time! Life doesn't need to be this difficult, Andrus.

Comments:


Arahant
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Arahant
Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: I know this is because I'm a Missouri-Synod Lutheran, and our clergy have to prove their ability to win a bar fight before they are certified for ordination (or so I've heard), but Andrus needs to man up.

That would be a very cool qualification.  And given theological discussions of the past, it's probably a good one.  After all, it was in a theological discussion when St. Nicholas wound up with a broken nose.

Mark Belling Fan
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Mark Belling Fan

Welcome to Super Gay San Francisco, Salvatore! I'll be civil toward you because we've worked together on the Millennium Development Goals, but I consider your theology about sex oppressive and will not sugar-coat that. Meanwhile, I trust you will never say anything critical of the Episcopal Church or of me. And hey, if anyone in your archdiocese's sexual left is reading this, life is great in the Episcopal Church. Come on over!

I don't get it. What is the appeal of belonging to a church where a spiritual leader feels comfortable making a public statement like this?

Maybe I'm just too used to being an oppressed Catholic.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

As King Henry VIII would say:

"Dear boy, you appear to be in danger of losing your head."

St. Thomas More was unavailable for comment.

Sabrdance
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Sabrdance

... Clearly I belong to the wrong denomination.  Southern Baptists just spread malicious rumors.

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

Mormon here.  Heck, we're thrilled if they let us sit in the Christian section.

Andrus seems to be confusing himself with the fellow he works for. Reminds me of the famous Churchill statement about a fellow member of parliament:  "There, but for the grace of God, goes God."

ConservativeWanderer
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ConservativeWanderer

Bishop Andrus clearly needs to read more Proverbs.

Do you see a man who is hasty in his words?
There is more hope for a fool than for him.

(Prov 29:20 NASB)

genferei
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genferei

Don't make the mistake of thinking Episcopal bishops and the Anglican Communion are the same thing.

And on the basis of that letter, I'm amazed they let him out of the basement.

Misthiocracy
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Misthiocracy

Mollie Hemingway, Ed.:

I know this is because I'm a Missouri-Synod Lutheran, and our clergy have to prove their ability to win a bar fight before they are certified for ordination...

That sounds almost as awesome as the Ottawa Bikers Church.

Chris Deleon
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Chris Deleon

This is the problem with the Left in general.  They're so hyper-self-righteous.  A lot of it comes from a caricature that they have of us as being judgmental, when all we are saying is that there are standards of right and wrong-- we're not saying we will necessarily judge a person's worth based on it.

You get people saying "Well at least I'm not judgmental like So-and-so" as they stick their noses in the air and despise and judge that person for daring to have a different standard.

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

Checked out the original letter from Andrus to his flock.  This paragraph stood out:

Archbishop-designate Cordileone's predecessor and I have worked closely and fruitfully on reducing extreme poverty globally through the Millennium Development Goals. At the same time as we did this important work together, we took very different public positions on Proposition 8. We can and must both work together for the world's good, and it is equally important, as I say in most of my blessings at the conclusion of the Eucharist, that "we make no peace with oppression."  The recognition of the dignity and rights, within civil society and the Church of lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgendered people, and of women are as core to our proclamation of the Gospel as our solidarity with the poor, with victims of violence and political oppression, and with the Earth.

Translation:  the Catholic guy is a big-time hater, as is his church.  I, on the other hand, love everyone, especially LBGT, the poor, the politically oppressed, and the Earth. Oh, and don't expect me to make "peace with oppression."  (E.g., agreeing with the Catholic Church's oppression of all I hold dear).

Edited on October 5, 2012 at 6:06pm
Arahant
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Arahant
Misthiocracy   Thatsounds almost as awesome as the Ottawa Bikers Church.

Is that anything like The Church of God on a Harley?

Rocket City Dave
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Rocket City Dave

Honestly Mr. Andrus should just be grateful he was even invited given that from the Roman Catholic perspective he's a prickly schismatic weirdo.

I'd called it theater of the absurd but it's more circus of the absurd.

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

Chris Deleon: 

You get people saying "Well at least I'm not judgmentallike So-and-so" as they stick their noses in the air and despise and judge that person for daring to have a different standard. · 2 minutes ago

Theodore Dalrymple wrote, “The only permissible judgment in polite society is that no judgment is permissible.” [Except when a self-righteous lefty assumes the high-ground in order to judge everyone else for failing to meet his standard of non-judgmentalism.]

Edited on October 5, 2012 at 6:12pm
Mel Foil
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Mel Foil

8 "When you are invited by any one to a marriage feast, do not sit down in a place of honor, lest a more eminent man than you be invited by him; 9 and he who invited you both will come and say to you, 'Give place to this man,' and then you will begin with shame to take the lowest place. 10 But when you are invited, go and sit in the lowest place, so that when your host comes he may say to you, 'Friend, go up higher'; then you will be honored in the presence of all who sit at table with you. 11 For every one who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

--Luke 14 (RSV)

ConservativeWanderer
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ConservativeWanderer

Mel Foil

8"When you are invited by any one to a marriage feast, do not sit down in a place of honor, lest a more eminent man than you be invited by him;9and he who invited you both will come and say to you, 'Give place to this man,' and then you will begin with shame to take the lowest place.10But when you are invited, go and sit in the lowest place, so that when your host comes he may say to you, 'Friend, go up higher'; then you will be honored in the presence of all who sit at table with you.11For every one who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

--Luke 14 (RSV) · 0 minutes ago

Another good one, Mel!

But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

(James 4:6 NKJV)

ConservativeWanderer
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ConservativeWanderer

From my Roman Catholic friend Mark:

Perhaps the new Arch-Bishop should have halted the installation service, announced "and the last shall be first", and marched the aggrieved to his assigned position from the very back of the church while having an appropriate selection played on the pipe organ.

Wonder how well that would have played out :))

Edited on October 5, 2012 at 6:23pm
drlorentz
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drlorentz

tabula rasa:

Mormon here.  Heck, we're thrilled if they let us sit in the Christian section.

Andrus seems to be confusing himself with the fellow he works for. Reminds me of the famous Churchill statement about a fellow member of parliament:  "There, but for the grace of God, goes God."

Great quote.

The hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness of the Episcopalian Bishop is so extreme that it's funny. For a person who claims to occupy the moral high ground, Mr. Andrus is awfully intolerant. Why is it that the Left can be as nasty and hateful as they like, while conservatives must tip-toe around their delicate sensibilities?

Crow's Nest
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Crow's Nest

Quite the occupant of the Bishopric there. Normally we spell Bishopric without a "k", but I'm reconsidering.....

FeliciaB
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May '10
FeliciaB

Good to know Andrus has such a servant's heart.


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