Itamar: Who Will Show These Photos?
Dear colleagues,
These photos were released by the family. They have given full permission
for their use and they to ask you to report on the horrific reality of
murdering children and babies in their sleep, simply because they are
Jewish.On Friday night at 10:30 pm the terrorists entered the house through the
living room picture window, did not notice the 6-year-old boy sleeping on
the couch and continued on to the bedroom where they slashed the throats of
the father and newborn baby who were sleeping there. The mother came out of
the bathroom and was stabbed on its threshold. The evidence shows that she
tried to fight the terrorists. They then slashed the throat of the 11-year
old-son who was reading in bed. They did not notice the 2-year old asleep in
his bed, but murdered the 3-year old with two stabs to his heart. After
that, they locked the door, exited through the window and escaped. Two hours
after the infiltration, there was another warning signal from the same spot
on the fence, as the terrorists left the way they had come. Once again, the
patrol did not identify the source of the signal as infiltration.The 12-year-old daughter returned home at 00:30 and found the door locked.
She asked a neighbor to help her. He brought a weapon with him once he
noticed tracks and mud near the house. The two woke up the 6-year old
sleeping in the living room by calling through the window and when he opened
the door, the Rabbi returned to his home. When she entered the bedrooms, the
young daughter saw the horrific bloodsoaked scene and ran out of the house
screaming. The neighbor ran back and fired several shots in the air to alert
security personnel. Within a short time, large police and IDF forces
arrived and began intensive searches to see if the terrorists were still in
the community. At 03:30 a.m., military trackers discovered footprints
leading to the Arab village of Avrata.With hopes for better days,
Ruthie Lieberman
The photos, she says, "are high resolution and can be reproduced in your website and newspaper." Let's see which newspapers and websites do. I won't show them on Ricochet--I know a lot of our readers have kids who look at the site.
I look at this and wonder what some of our members wondered about parents who went to riots in Egypt and Libya with their kids: What kind of parent settles in Itamar? Yes, you should have the right to assemble and protest in Egypt and Libya without being beaten or gunned down. And Jews and Arabs alike should live side by side in harmony. But they don't. And given that, I cannot understand moving to Itamar with your young children.
We're arranging to go to Itamar this week. I'll tell you what they say.
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Oct '10
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Wow! My God, that is horrific.
Sep '10
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Not what I wanted to read before turning in for the night, but bracing reporting as always Claire. I'm looking forward to what you find when you dig into the story. I want to know as much as you do why they would move to Itamar with their kids.
Jul '10
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There's been a lot of talk about civil discourse lately. These pictures are graphic evidence of the fruits of generations brought up in a miasmic atmosphere of hate.
As for why the family chose Itamar in the first place, I will, uncharacteristically, reserve comment on something I know nothing about.
May '10
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Again, it make me wonder; why are we so anxious to reconcile with the kind people who are capable of such barbarity?
Jan '11
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I am not courageous enough to open the photos. By the way, what is "the truth" surrounding the Chabad house murders in Mumbai 2010? The facts/details seemed to be suppressed
Feb '11
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They will say - as we all do here - "If we quit, they win. If we run, they are encouraged. If we go, it will be worse for those who stay."
The folks in Hevron say it best.
Edited on Mar 12, 2011 at 11:02pmJul '10
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Claire, it is difficult to even begin to address this under the COC. The Palestinians were given refuge in Jordan at one point, and they very quickly set about an attempt to assassinate the King in gratitude. So back to the refugee camps. These pawns have been turned into the dog soldiers of Jihad by Arab cousins, and are simply waiting out the next Arab-Israeli War to claim the rights they abandoned in 1948.
Of course, it never works out that way. I would not try to raise a family in DC, much less Itamar. But if I were Jewish, with huge chunks of the world denying my right to exist and demanding payment in full for any slander they can dream up, if, like a good friend of mine, over 75% of my relations met their fate in the ovens, the entire European branch, every man, woman, and child, I might see the issue differently.
As it stands, I live under a vile government that supports and promotes the Muslim Brotherhood. Our CIA experts think the Brotherhood are somehow YMCA-like. And official Washington tries to stigmatize anyone who speaks on the Brotherhood and Sharia vs. the Constitution.
Feb '11
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My God!! Those pictures are horrific. This is why I am repulsed by those who claim Islam is a religion of peace. There may be moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.
Dec '10
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I viewed the thumbnails, but I can't bring myself to open the hi-res versions. You can't "un-see" something that gruesome.
Like Rosie, I wonder what kind of a person could do such a horrible thing to another fellow human. What kind of rage must you have in your heart? These people in Arab lands who stoke this kind of hatred throughout their society have this blood on their hands every bit as much as these murderers do.
Dec '10
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So if the Palestinian Authority asks the UN General Assembly to recognize it as a state, and if the GA agrees, won't the people of Itamar become citizens of the new Nation of Palestine? I mean, the Palestinians wouldn't expel or (God forbid) slaughter their Jewish neighbors, would they?
It's amazing that the Muslim nations managed to relocate essentially all their Jewish citizens from ghettoes in those lands to one consolidated ghetto called Israel... and yet because the Jews are no longer at their mercy, they still want to annihilate them. You'd think they'd be happy to have the Jews tucked away in one tiny corner of the Middle East, but apparently the operating principle is "I cannot be happy with all that I have so long as you have anything at all."
Edited on Mar 12, 2011 at 11:38pmDec '10
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By the way, I hope the folks commenting in the capital punishment thread take a look at these photos. They're quite illuminating.
Feb '11
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Stuart Creque:
amazing that the Muslim nations managed to relocate essentially all their Jewish citizens from ghettoes in those lands to one consolidated ghetto called Israel... and yet because the Jews are no longer at their mercy, they still want to annihilate them. You'd think they'd be happy to have the Jews tucked away in one tiny corner of the Middle East, but apparently the operating principle is "I cannot be happy with all that I have so long as you have anything at all." · Mar 12 at 11:37pm
Edited on Mar 12 at 11:38 pm
For those who are still smarting from being turned away at the gates of Vienna less than 320 years ago and who still yearn for their lost Spanish homeland, the independent Jewish state in their midst is a wart which must be excised before going on to "recovering" their European dream.
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Rosie, please look at the videos I posted of our conversation with Ibrahim, who was himself injured in a terrorist attack in Tel Aviv. Watch them through. He says he is a Muslim. He says Islam absolutely forbids the harming of innocents. He has been a victim of this kind of terrorism himself. Are you prepared to tell him he is interpreting his religion incorrectly?
Aug '10
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Claire, the issue isn't rightness or wrongness of his interpretation of his religion. The issue is that there is a portion of the population of Muslims (ranging anywhere from a significant minority to a plurality of adherents - even a majority, depending on the poll question) who desire a strict adherence to Sharia or otherwise wish to convert the rest of humanity by force.
Ibrahim seems like a nice guy - but him telling me that Islam forbids harming innocents is a guy talking to the wrong audience. If he desires to evangelize, then he needs to be evangelizing the adherents of his own religion - to help them live up to his view.
I don't think that Rosie is the person who needs to be lectured.
Nov '10
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Claire, the problem is this: it's not only his religion.
If it were, he could not be misinterpreting his religion by definition.
It is Islam as it exists that his is interpreting improperly, or at least incompletely.
And so too are the psychopathic perpetrators of the Itamar enormity (supposing the perpetrators they did it in the name of Islam).
By necessity, both parties are misinterpreting Islam as it exists, because of the existence of one other. The Islam they jointly represent--a contradictory entity--represents neither alone.
One can ask: which is really right? Which Muslim follows the true Islam?
However, this question is only coherent for a Muslim who believes by faith that some version of Islam is true.
For a non-Muslim, who believes that no such version is, there is no ideal Islam beyond that which is actually practiced, and against which particular real versions might be measured. For a non-Muslim, the practice of Islam defines Islam.
So, for non-Muslim, the question of what Islam is, on the whole, is statistical, not metaphysical.
Question: How many bad Muslims, of X badness, does it take to offset all the good Muslims, of X goodness?
Feb '11
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Had the West stood with solidarity against Palestinian terrorism, there would be a lot less of this kind of thing in the Middle East and elsewhere.
The blood of these victims is on the hands of those journalists, entertainers, activists, and college professors who for several decades have excused and even romanticized terrorism.
Mar '11
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The issue here isn't Zionism or anti Zionism The issue isn't Israel's right to exist. The issue is Jew-hatred. Hating Jews has always made people feel better, smarter, purer. If these murderers are held up to the world as "resistence fighters" (because the "Zionist entity" has left them no other way), then it's because it makes people feel better, smarter, purer. In what other world can one support "national liberation" by the gruesome murders of innocents in their sleep? Take away the Jew-hatred and all you have is horrific mass murder.
Dec '10
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One thought: it's entirely possible that the killers of the Fogel family were not motivated by Islamist fervor but by good old-fashioned Palestinian nationalism. The PLO, PFLP and other old-line "resistance" groups were more devout followers of Marx than Mohammed back in the 1970s.
Feb '11
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Claire Berlinski, Ed.
Rosie, please look at the videos I posted of our conversation with Ibrahim, who was himself injured in a terrorist attack in Tel Aviv. Watch them through. He says he is a Muslim. He says Islam absolutely forbids the harming of innocents. He has been a victim of this kind of terrorism himself. Are you prepared to tell him he is interpreting his religion incorrectly? · Mar 13 at 3:05am
Claire, just as I previously stated there are moderate Muslims who have consciously chosen to ignore the statements in the Koran that call for the destruction of the non-Muslim. As I understand it the peaceful parts of coexistence were written earlier and the calls for war and domination were written later. From what I have understood the Islamic jurisprudence has stated that the parts of the Koran written in the later half of the Mohammed's life take precedence over the prior ones.
Feb '11
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Hence, the calls for war and domination is the correct interpretation according to the jurisprudence. As noted by other commentors the question of which part of the Islamic faith is the be reformed, ignored or followed can only be answered by the Muslims themselves. Claire, my wish is that there would be enough people like Ibrahim in the Islamic world so that these horrible acts of violence would finally end.