John Podhoretz

 

Based on years of listening to him, and on everything I’ve heard about him, John Podhoretz is a gentle, humane, and thoroughly decent man. I envy him his ability to pluck precisely the right word from his obviously vast vocabulary, and to speak, when he chooses, with extraordinary nuance and precision.

Sure, he’s prone to outrageous hyperbole (a quality hardly unique to him in this, the Age of Trump), is unduly proud of his Judaic morosity, and has a sense of humor that resonates with 12-year-old boys and Jonah Goldberg (but I repeat myself). But still, I enjoy listening to him.

But he often lands a clinker, as he did in the June 6 podcast (here) when he averred, at about 1:10:00, that, should the Democrats win in 2020, the right is “certainly going to turn anti-patriotic in the event of his defeat. … So you’re going to have the right hating America and the left hating America.”

I’ve mentioned this before about our own Rob Long, and I’ll say it now about John: I think too many conservative intellectuals have a poor idea of what actual conservatives are like, and of who makes up “the right” out in that vast unexplored and boring portion of America that people who don’t live in New York, Washington, or Los Angeles call home.

Thank G-d we still have VDH.

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  1. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Another reason to vote for Biden in 2020, my first vote for a Democrat for President since 1972. I got my “Republicans for Biden” bumper stickers yesterday and have already put them on my car.

    I’ve been looking for a “Biden — I Can Beat Harrison’s Record” sticker. Have you seen one?

    I was actually driven to try to price a “Republicans for Biden” bumper sticker and other gear for joke gifts. Such is the boredom inflicted by Covid-19.

    I didn’t have a lot of luck finding a website, but suffered through a few minutes on the Facebook page. My time was rewarded by this wonderful picture.

    Note that those who have “character concerns” about Trump are perfectly fine with an organization featuring the likes of Rick Wilson. In a jumpsuit.

    Note bar and well-stocked wine fridge on left :). Your donor $$$ at work.

    What a great crew! There was a Zoom Town Hall for The Lincoln Project yesterday. Here it is.

    You probably bought some of that booze.  I’m sure a grifter like Wilson appreciates it.

     

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    One might prefer another Trump administration over a Biden-Harris administration. But a Biden-Harris administration is highly likely at this point.

    And by “Biden-Harris administration” you mean “Harris administration”, because Biden ain’t gonna last six months.

     

    There won’t be a Biden administration. Biden will come out and try to read from a teleprompter every once in awhile, get a pat on the head from the media, and go back to his desk pretending to be President. The AOCs, the Omars, the BLMs, etc will go back to actually making the decisions and policies.

    If I believed that I wouldn’t be supporting Biden. Of note, I have given to the primary opponents of the Squad.

    Rashida Tlaib (MI-13) is in the fight of her life against the former incumbent Brenda Jones who Tlaib beat by only 31% to 30% in the 2018 primary, and then went on to beat the Republican 84% to 11% in this D+32 district. Tlaib can only be removed in a primary and the Michigan primary is in August. For the sake of our nation, I urge my fellow Ricochetti to contribute to Brenda Jones. Yes, she is far to the Left of you and I. But Brenda Jones is not an Anti-Semite. Just as the Republican party needs to purge the Trumps and Q-Anon, the Democrats need to purge “The Squad” in their primaries.

    As a tactical matter, I would prefer the crazies win in the Dem party. Let their party be defined by the anti-semitic commie loons.

    That is a great position to take as a partisan, but I would submit that it is a horrible position to take as an American. Dems are going to win from time to time. We need a sane opposition.

    I’m sorry Gary, I’m glad that you are able to give your thoughts here, but based on what you said above how is your stance not “a horrible position to take as an American”?

    Given that the Dems will win the Presidency from time to time, it behooves our nation to have sane Dems.

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Another reason to vote for Biden in 2020, my first vote for a Democrat for President since 1972. I got my “Republicans for Biden” bumper stickers yesterday and have already put them on my car.

    I’ve been looking for a “Biden — I Can Beat Harrison’s Record” sticker. Have you seen one?

    I was actually driven to try to price a “Republicans for Biden” bumper sticker and other gear for joke gifts. Such is the boredom inflicted by Covid-19.

    I didn’t have a lot of luck finding a website, but suffered through a few minutes on the Facebook page. My time was rewarded by this wonderful picture.

    Note that those who have “character concerns” about Trump are perfectly fine with an organization featuring the likes of Rick Wilson. In a jumpsuit.

    Note bar and well-stocked wine fridge on left :). Your donor $$$ at work.

    What a great crew! There was a Zoom Town Hall for The Lincoln Project yesterday. Here it is.

    You probably bought some of that booze. I’m sure a grifter like Wilson appreciates it.

    I am waiting to receive my “Lincoln Project” coffee cup and baseball cap.

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  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary,

    You’ve got your bumper sticker and your wishful thinking — that a Republican loss will galvanize the party and, “in the long run,” make us better off, despite four years of Democratic leadership and the cultural and economic destruction that will bring.

    Your theory is based on the assumption that Republicans will learn from their loss. Of course, Democrats would presumably learn from their win, and what they’d learn is that you win by going hard, hard left, pull out all the stops, attack relentlessly and dishonestly, and demonize the opposition at every turn. In other words, the Trump/Kavanaugh strategy we’ve seen the past four years.

    So we should hope the Republicans learn something, and hope the Democrats don’t? Does that make sense? And if the Republicans learn something, perhaps what they’ll learn is that what the Democrats did worked, and we should do the same: get uglier, get less honest, get less tolerant, run the most vicious and corrupt campaigns possible in order to win.

    It will be pretty if it works out in life as in your imagination, with everyone learning just what they need to learn to be better people. You dream in color, and that’s nice.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, we’d have four years of Obama/Clinton era lawlessness, compounded by radical attacks on free speech and the electoral process, a continuation of the march through the institutions at the highest levels, economic and environmental policy that ends growth and pushes us into recession, a ballooning debt with no chance of growth to offset it, and a renewed corruption at a newly weaponized DoJ.

    You have never made a concrete case, because you’re willing to court actual economic and political disaster if there’s a long-shot hope that it will somehow make your party more virtuous by your measure, never mind that most of your fellow Republicans have reached a different conclusion.

    Gary, I’m an arrogant know-it-all and never much of a team player, but you’ve got me beat all hollow. I’d never consider sticking my finger in the eye of my own party and telling them that I know better than all the rest of them what’s good for them and, by golly, I’m going to join the enemy and stand against them all and undermine their efforts and hard work, because I think my virtue and wisdom is bigger than theirs. Shoot, I wouldn’t even do that if I agreed with you, because it’s disloyal and dishonorable. There is such a thing as loyal opposition; you and your bumper sticker have just crossed into the disloyal opposition category. That choice reflects on you as a person, in my opinion.

    Hank

    Great points. Will you grant me that Biden was the most moderate of the Democrats who ran this cycle?

    Way to ignore his actual points.

    But makes sense for someone whomis disloyal and dishonorable.

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  5. Jon1979 Inactive
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    You’ve got your bumper sticker and your wishful thinking — that a Republican loss will galvanize the party and, “in the long run,” make us better off, despite four years of Democratic leadership and the cultural and economic destruction that will bring.

    Your theory is based on the assumption that Republicans will learn from their loss. Of course, Democrats would presumably learn from their win, and what they’d learn is that you win by going hard, hard left, pull out all the stops, attack relentlessly and dishonestly, and demonize the opposition at every turn. In other words, the Trump/Kavanaugh strategy we’ve seen the past four years.

    The Democrats learned something from the last six years of the Obama administration – when you get power, do everything you can as early as possible in the term, because the backlash will come – but the ACA still survives.

    In 2009, the far left was irate at Obama because they thought he wasn’t simply lying to swing voters about his political ideology, he was also lying about his temperament, and would turn into a Hugo Chavez-like hyper Alpha-male once sworn into office and shut down all right wing dissent (they thought throwing race cards at the more moderate Republicans would shut them down, and they were right). So that’s the mindset the angry Dems would go into 2021 with, if voters give them the White House and the Senate, just as they did health care in ’09 after being irked Clinton didn’t do it in 1993-94 when the Democrats had the White House and Congress.

    (My suspicion is that a lot of The Lincoln Project/Bulwark types in ’21 would see no problem with the Dems overtly using government to shut down conservative media sites, organizations and individuals, as opposed to the covert way Obama tried to do it int he 2011-16 time period. Then the #NeverTrumpers would be shocked when the same woke mob started coming after them as potential heretics to The Cause.)

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    You’ve got your bumper sticker and your wishful thinking — that a Republican loss will galvanize the party and, “in the long run,” make us better off, despite four years of Democratic leadership and the cultural and economic destruction that will bring.

    Your theory is based on the assumption that Republicans will learn from their loss. Of course, Democrats would presumably learn from their win, and what they’d learn is that you win by going hard, hard left, pull out all the stops, attack relentlessly and dishonestly, and demonize the opposition at every turn. In other words, the Trump/Kavanaugh strategy we’ve seen the past four years.

    The Democrats learned something from the last six years of the Obama administration – when you get power, do everything you can as early as possible in the term, because the backlash will come – but the ACA still survives.

    In 2009, the far left was irate at Obama because they thought he wasn’t simply lying to swing voters about his political ideology, he was also lying about his temperament, and would turn into a Hugo Chavez-like hyper Alpha-male once sworn into office and shut down all right wing dissent (they thought throwing race cards at the more moderate Republicans would shut them down, and they were right). So that’s the mindset the angry Dems would go into 2021 with, if voters give them the White House and the Senate, just as they did health care in ’09 after being irked Clinton didn’t do it in 1993-94 when the Democrats had the White House and Congress.

    (My suspicion is that a lot of The Lincoln Project/Bulwark types in ’21 would see no problem with the Dems overtly using government to shut down conservative media sites, organizations and individuals, as opposed to the covert way Obama tried to do it int he 2011-16 time period. Then the #NeverTrumpers would be shocked when the same woke mob started coming after them as potential heretics to The Cause.)

    You may right.  I may be wrong.  

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  7. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Your theory is based on the assumption that Republicans will learn from their loss. Of course, Democrats would presumably learn from their win, and what they’d learn is that you win by going hard, hard left, pull out all the stops, attack relentlessly and dishonestly, and demonize the opposition at every turn. In other words, the Trump/Kavanaugh strategy we’ve seen the past four years.

    The Democrats learned something from the last six years of the Obama administration – when you get power, do everything you can as early as possible in the term, because the backlash will come – but the ACA still survives.

    In 2009, the far left was irate at Obama because they thought he wasn’t simply lying to swing voters about his political ideology, he was also lying about his temperament, and would turn into a Hugo Chavez-like hyper Alpha-male once sworn into office and shut down all right wing dissent (they thought throwing race cards at the more moderate Republicans would shut them down, and they were right). So that’s the mindset the angry Dems would go into 2021 with, if voters give them the White House and the Senate, just as they did health care in ’09 after being irked Clinton didn’t do it in 1993-94 when the Democrats had the White House and Congress.

    (My suspicion is that a lot of The Lincoln Project/Bulwark types in ’21 would see no problem with the Dems overtly using government to shut down conservative media sites, organizations and individuals, as opposed to the covert way Obama tried to do it int he 2011-16 time period. Then the #NeverTrumpers would be shocked when the same woke mob started coming after them as potential heretics to The Cause.)

    You may right. I may be wrong.

    We may, or may not see starting six months and 10 days from now.

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  8. Miffed White Male Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    You’ve got your bumper sticker and your wishful thinking — that a Republican loss will galvanize the party and, “in the long run,” make us better off, despite four years of Democratic leadership and the cultural and economic destruction that will bring.

    Your theory is based on the assumption that Republicans will learn from their loss. Of course, Democrats would presumably learn from their win, and what they’d learn is that you win by going hard, hard left, pull out all the stops, attack relentlessly and dishonestly, and demonize the opposition at every turn. In other words, the Trump/Kavanaugh strategy we’ve seen the past four years.

    The Democrats learned something from the last six years of the Obama administration – when you get power, do everything you can as early as possible in the term, because the backlash will come – but the ACA still survives.

    In 2009, the far left was irate at Obama because they thought he wasn’t simply lying to swing voters about his political ideology, he was also lying about his temperament, and would turn into a Hugo Chavez-like hyper Alpha-male once sworn into office and shut down all right wing dissent (they thought throwing race cards at the more moderate Republicans would shut them down, and they were right). So that’s the mindset the angry Dems would go into 2021 with, if voters give them the White House and the Senate, just as they did health care in ’09 after being irked Clinton didn’t do it in 1993-94 when the Democrats had the White House and Congress.

    (My suspicion is that a lot of The Lincoln Project/Bulwark types in ’21 would see no problem with the Dems overtly using government to shut down conservative media sites, organizations and individuals, as opposed to the covert way Obama tried to do it int he 2011-16 time period. Then the #NeverTrumpers would be shocked when the same woke mob started coming after them as potential heretics to The Cause.)

    You may right. I may be wrong.

    He is.  You are.

     

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  9. Weeping Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment): There won’t be a Biden administration. Biden will come out and try to read from a teleprompter every once in awhile, get a pat on the head from the media, and go back to his desk pretending to be President. The AOCs, the Omars, the BLMs, etc will go back to actually making the decisions and policies.

    If I believed that I wouldn’t be supporting Biden.

    You need to believe it, Gary, because that’s exactly what will happen if Biden wins. In fact, it appears to be happening already. Here’s a Ricochet post about it, and a CNN article about it.

     

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    One might prefer another Trump administration over a Biden-Harris administration. But a Biden-Harris administration is highly likely at this point.

    And by “Biden-Harris administration” you mean “Harris administration”, because Biden ain’t gonna last six months.

     

    There won’t be a Biden administration. Biden will come out and try to read from a teleprompter every once in awhile, get a pat on the head from the media, and go back to his desk pretending to be President. The AOCs, the Omars, the BLMs, etc will go back to actually making the decisions and policies.

    If I believed that I wouldn’t be supporting Biden. Of note, I have given to the primary opponents of the Squad.

    Rashida Tlaib (MI-13) is in the fight of her life against the former incumbent Brenda Jones who Tlaib beat by only 31% to 30% in the 2018 primary, and then went on to beat the Republican 84% to 11% in this D+32 district. Tlaib can only be removed in a primary and the Michigan primary is in August. For the sake of our nation, I urge my fellow Ricochetti to contribute to Brenda Jones. Yes, she is far to the Left of you and I. But Brenda Jones is not an Anti-Semite. Just as the Republican party needs to purge the Trumps and Q-Anon, the Democrats need to purge “The Squad” in their primaries.

    As a tactical matter, I would prefer the crazies win in the Dem party. Let their party be defined by the anti-semitic commie loons.

    That is a great position to take as a partisan, but I would submit that it is a horrible position to take as an American. Dems are going to win from time to time. We need a sane opposition.

    I’m sorry Gary, I’m glad that you are able to give your thoughts here, but based on what you said above how is your stance not “a horrible position to take as an American”?

    Given that the Dems will win the Presidency from time to time, it behooves our nation to have sane Dems.

    I agree. But there are no sane Dems in sight this year. 

     

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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    One might prefer another Trump administration over a Biden-Harris administration. But a Biden-Harris administration is highly likely at this point.

    And by “Biden-Harris administration” you mean “Harris administration”, because Biden ain’t gonna last six months.

     

    There won’t be a Biden administration. Biden will come out and try to read from a teleprompter every once in awhile, get a pat on the head from the media, and go back to his desk pretending to be President. The AOCs, the Omars, the BLMs, etc will go back to actually making the decisions and policies.

    If I believed that I wouldn’t be supporting Biden. Of note, I have given to the primary opponents of the Squad.

    Rashida Tlaib (MI-13) is in the fight of her life against the former incumbent Brenda Jones who Tlaib beat by only 31% to 30% in the 2018 primary, and then went on to beat the Republican 84% to 11% in this D+32 district. Tlaib can only be removed in a primary and the Michigan primary is in August. For the sake of our nation, I urge my fellow Ricochetti to contribute to Brenda Jones. Yes, she is far to the Left of you and I. But Brenda Jones is not an Anti-Semite. Just as the Republican party needs to purge the Trumps and Q-Anon, the Democrats need to purge “The Squad” in their primaries.

    As a tactical matter, I would prefer the crazies win in the Dem party. Let their party be defined by the anti-semitic commie loons.

    That is a great position to take as a partisan, but I would submit that it is a horrible position to take as an American. Dems are going to win from time to time. We need a sane opposition.

    I’m sorry Gary, I’m glad that you are able to give your thoughts here, but based on what you said above how is your stance not “a horrible position to take as an American”?

    Given that the Dems will win the Presidency from time to time, it behooves our nation to have sane Dems.

    I agree. But there are no sane Dems in sight this year.

     

    Or for the foreseeable future.

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Your theory is based on the assumption that Republicans will learn from their loss. Of course, Democrats would presumably learn from their win, and what they’d learn is that you win by going hard, hard left, pull out all the stops, attack relentlessly and dishonestly, and demonize the opposition at every turn. In other words, the Trump/Kavanaugh strategy we’ve seen the past four years.

    The Democrats learned something from the last six years of the Obama administration – when you get power, do everything you can as early as possible in the term, because the backlash will come – but the ACA still survives.

    In 2009, the far left was irate at Obama because they thought he wasn’t simply lying to swing voters about his political ideology, he was also lying about his temperament, and would turn into a Hugo Chavez-like hyper Alpha-male once sworn into office and shut down all right wing dissent (they thought throwing race cards at the more moderate Republicans would shut them down, and they were right). So that’s the mindset the angry Dems would go into 2021 with, if voters give them the White House and the Senate, just as they did health care in ’09 after being irked Clinton didn’t do it in 1993-94 when the Democrats had the White House and Congress.

    (My suspicion is that a lot of The Lincoln Project/Bulwark types in ’21 would see no problem with the Dems overtly using government to shut down conservative media sites, organizations and individuals, as opposed to the covert way Obama tried to do it int he 2011-16 time period. Then the #NeverTrumpers would be shocked when the same woke mob started coming after them as potential heretics to The Cause.)

    You may right. I may be wrong.

    We may, or may not see starting six months and 10 days from now.

    This may sound hokey, but I think that all of us need to pray for our country.

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    Weeping (View Comment):
    I agree. But there are no sane Dems in sight this year.

    Weeping,

    Gary’s extra-specialness allows him to magnify microscopic flaws in the Administration while missing the total horror and disaster evident in the entire Dem party and every one of their candidates. We aren’t supposed to notice this but give Gary the benefit of the doubt because of his wonderful sincerity.

    Just thought I’d explain it to you.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  14. Henry Racette Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    This may sound hokey, but I think that all of us need to pray for our country.

    No, it doesn’t sound hokey. But it’s hard to know just what it means, when placed beside your public endorsement of the Democratic party, its candidate, and its platform. And that’s what a “Republicans for Biden” bumper sticker represents.

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  15. Weeping Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    This may sound hokey, but I think that all of us need to pray for our country.

    Doesn’t sound hokey to me at all. And on this, I totally agree with you.

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  16. Weeping Inactive
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    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):
    I agree. But there are no sane Dems in sight this year.

    Weeping,

    Gary’s extra-specialness allows him to magnify microscopic flaws in the Administration while missing the total horror and disaster evident in the entire Dem party and every one of their candidates. We aren’t supposed to notice this but give Gary the benefit of the doubt because of his wonderful sincerity.

    Just thought I’d explain it to you.

    Regards,

    Jim

    Well, everyone has their blind spots. I’m sure I have mine too – don’t know what they are exactly, ’cause then they wouldn’t be blind spots. But I’m sure they’re there. :)

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  17. James Gawron Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    This may sound hokey, but I think that all of us need to pray for our country.

    No, it doesn’t sound hokey. But it’s hard to know just what it means, when placed beside your public endorsement of the Democratic party, its candidate, and its platform. And that’s what a “Republicans for Biden” bumper sticker represents.

    Gary,

    Henry might just have a point. After all, I’d suspect that if the Democrats were given a multiple-choice test. (see below)

    1. Theism
    2. Agnosticism
    3. Atheism

    I’m sure that over 50% of Democrats would not be choosing selection 1, so your exhortation to prayer is pretty much a moot point with them. Aside from that, it is clear that the Democrats are intent on damaging religion in this country any way they can. If you are praying for the country what should be foremost in your prayers is “Let the enemies of Gd be defeated.”

    Regards,

    Jim

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    Q-anon to me still sounds like a generic brand of cotton swab.

    An anonymous brand of cotton swab!

    They’re hiding their identity because they don’t want to be sued by Johnson & Johnson.

    I have already donated to the Democrat in CO-3. The Republican incumbent was doing a good job, but the Q-Anon who beat him was a nut. I hope that the Dem wins, and then a sane Republican can take back CO-3 in 2022. CO-3 is a R+6 district. We should be able to win it back if we don’t run a Q-Anon.

    Would you say the nut that beat him in CO-3 is closer to the inner circle of power on the GOP side than this guy is on the Democratic side? (I’m assuming you now know who he is, and these are the types of people you’re enabling to put into national power:)

    I absolutely oppose Keith Ellison. Minnesota is getting what they voted for.

    But you don’t think you’ll get what YOU vote for?

    “Fascinating.”

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    It is a calculated risk. If Bernie were nominated, I would likely be sitting this one out. If AOC were old enough to be nominated, I would hold my nose and vote for Trump.

    What makes you think – or probably not actually think, but just believe – that President Biden won’t be fed the AOC agenda from the sidelines?

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  20. Charlotte Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    And I also like white space.

    Racist.

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  21. Charlotte Member
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    Whew! *wipes brow* I made it all the way to the end! What do I win?

    Also, I was wondering what the Ricochetti think of John Podhoretz?

    :-)

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  22. Saint Augustine Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Also, I was wondering what the Ricochetti think of John Podhoretz?

    I like him, Commentary podcast, and GLOP podcast.

    I’ve begun to suspect that he gets too much of his news from NYT (or sources under its influence) and not enough from Daily Wire podcasts. That alone could explain why I occasionally think he’s wrong about the facts.

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  23. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Also, I was wondering what the Ricochetti think of John Podhoretz?

    I like him, Commentary podcast, and GLOP podcast.

    I’ve begun to suspect that he gets too much of his news from NYT (or sources under its influence) and not enough from Daily Wire podcasts. That alone could explain why I occasionally think he’s wrong about the facts.

    He got the pepper spray vs. pepper bullets thing wrong about that Church Trump visited. He also freak out at white people that like the Confederate flag in a way that seems rather xenophobic to me. (I ain’t a confederate guy but I don’t think most whites who like the confederate flag hate black folk.) Because of this and other things he annoys me quite alot.

    But I like the guy because he is a weird eccentric nerd who is insanely knowledgeable about weird things. Life is too short to hate interesting folks just because they have the wrong opinion about this or that. I know quite alot of folks can’t get over disagreement about the whole Trump deal but I think that is a misplaced sentiment. Pretty sure the guy still loves America and he loves America as a Jew who is smart enough to know that America is the least anti-semitic country on Earth. (Israel has a contingent of anti-Israel Arab citizens that make our anti-semites look like Reb Tevya.)

    Does anyone else have mixed feelings about John Podhoretz. I hear alot of folks who hate him for being something of an NTer and people who love him for being an NTer but is there anyone besides me and the author of this post who are mixed?

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Also, I was wondering what the Ricochetti think of John Podhoretz?

    I like him, Commentary podcast, and GLOP podcast.

    I’ve begun to suspect that he gets too much of his news from NYT (or sources under its influence) and not enough from Daily Wire podcasts. That alone could explain why I occasionally think he’s wrong about the facts.

    He got the pepper spray vs. pepper bullets thing wrong about that Church Trump visited. He also freak out at white people that like the Confederate flag in a way that seems rather xenophobic to me. (I ain’t a confederate guy but I don’t think most whites who like the confederate flag hate black folk.) Because of this and other things he annoys me quite alot.

    But I like the guy because he is a weird eccentric nerd who is insanely knowledgeable about weird things. Life is too short to hate interesting folks just because they have the wrong opinion about this or that. I know quite alot of folks can’t get over disagreement about the whole Trump deal but I think that is a misplaced sentiment. Pretty sure the guy still loves America and he loves America as a Jew who is smart enough to know that America is the least anti-semitic country on Earth. (Israel has a contingent of anti-Israel Arab citizens that make our anti-semites look like Reb Tevya.)

    Does anyone else have mixed feelings about John Podhoretz. I hear alot of folks who hate him for being something of an NTer and people who love him for being an NTer but is there anyone besides me and the author of this post who are mixed?

    One problem I have with JPod is that he ends up being wrong about facts, even facts about the weird things that you find him insanely knowledgeable about, just often enough that I find I can’t necessarily trust anything he says without checking.

    “Experts” – or “pundits” – that are factually wrong often enough that you may end up having to double-check anything they say, don’t seem to really count as “experts.”  Or “pundits.”  It seems to me the point of having “experts,” especially, is that you should be able to trust that they know what they’re talking about, without having to double-check.

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  25. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Also, I was wondering what the Ricochetti think of John Podhoretz?

    I like him, Commentary podcast, and GLOP podcast.

    I’ve begun to suspect that he gets too much of his news from NYT (or sources under its influence) and not enough from Daily Wire podcasts. That alone could explain why I occasionally think he’s wrong about the facts.

    He got the pepper spray vs. pepper bullets thing wrong about that Church Trump visited. He also freak out at white people that like the Confederate flag in a way that seems rather xenophobic to me. (I ain’t a confederate guy but I don’t think most whites who like the confederate flag hate black folk.) Because of this and other things he annoys me quite alot.

    But I like the guy because he is a weird eccentric nerd who is insanely knowledgeable about weird things. Life is too short to hate interesting folks just because they have the wrong opinion about this or that. I know quite alot of folks can’t get over disagreement about the whole Trump deal but I think that is a misplaced sentiment. Pretty sure the guy still loves America and he loves America as a Jew who is smart enough to know that America is the least anti-semitic country on Earth. (Israel has a contingent of anti-Israel Arab citizens that make our anti-semites look like Reb Tevya.)

    Does anyone else have mixed feelings about John Podhoretz. I hear alot of folks who hate him for being something of an NTer and people who love him for being an NTer but is there anyone besides me and the author of this post who are mixed?

    I agree with JPod on “The Odd Couple”. Except for Season 1. They really needed a live studio audience to make it work.

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  26. Henry Castaigne Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    One problem I have with JPod is that he ends up being wrong about facts, even facts about the weird things that you find him insanely knowledgeable about, just often enough that I find I can’t necessarily trust anything he says without checking.

    That’s a good point. I assume all his Hollywood and t.v. knowledge is accurate but he could be making it all up for all I know. 

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    One problem I have with JPod is that he ends up being wrong about facts, even facts about the weird things that you find him insanely knowledgeable about, just often enough that I find I can’t necessarily trust anything he says without checking.

    That’s a good point. I assume all his Hollywood and t.v. knowledge is accurate but he could be making it all up for all I know.

    That’s one of the aspects right there.  And it’s similar to how people complain about the inaccurate “news” coverage of events that they witnessed, and so they KNOW that the coverage was wrong.  It’s not reasonable to believe that the ONLY things they get wrong, are the things we have direct knowledge of.  The logical conclusion is that they’re also wrong about other things – perhaps many, perhaps most – but we only “catch them red-handed” in a limited number of cases that we have direct knowledge of.  Meanwhile, other people know about OTHER things they get wrong…  add it up, and it’s likely a much bigger problem than any of us individually may be aware of.

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  28. Charlotte Member
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    Oh my gosh, I was kidding about the JPod question… 🤣

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  29. Saint Augustine Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Oh my gosh, I was kidding about the JPod question… 🤣

    Now that you mention it that does make more sense.

    I might have given the same answer if I’d realized it.

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  30. EHerring Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    He also freak out at white people that like the Confederate flag in a way that seems rather xenophobic to me. (I ain’t a confederate guy but I don’t think most whites who like the confederate flag hate black folk.)

    Never owned one and don’t intend to, but I suspect many who do, do so because cancel culture told them they shouldn’t.

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