John Podhoretz

 

Based on years of listening to him, and on everything I’ve heard about him, John Podhoretz is a gentle, humane, and thoroughly decent man. I envy him his ability to pluck precisely the right word from his obviously vast vocabulary, and to speak, when he chooses, with extraordinary nuance and precision.

Sure, he’s prone to outrageous hyperbole (a quality hardly unique to him in this, the Age of Trump), is unduly proud of his Judaic morosity, and has a sense of humor that resonates with 12-year-old boys and Jonah Goldberg (but I repeat myself). But still, I enjoy listening to him.

But he often lands a clinker, as he did in the June 6 podcast (here) when he averred, at about 1:10:00, that, should the Democrats win in 2020, the right is “certainly going to turn anti-patriotic in the event of his defeat. … So you’re going to have the right hating America and the left hating America.”

I’ve mentioned this before about our own Rob Long, and I’ll say it now about John: I think too many conservative intellectuals have a poor idea of what actual conservatives are like, and of who makes up “the right” out in that vast unexplored and boring portion of America that people who don’t live in New York, Washington, or Los Angeles call home.

Thank G-d we still have VDH.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    One might prefer another Trump administration over a Biden-Harris administration. But a Biden-Harris administration is highly likely at this point.

    And by “Biden-Harris administration” you mean “Harris administration”, because Biden ain’t gonna last six months.

    Yes. That’s why I have often included Harris, who I think will be Biden’s running mate, in this discussion of a future administration. I’ll wager that Biden lasts about 18 months in office before some health problem compels him to pass the baton to Kamala Harris.

     

    That would be some interesting choice of a name. Biden / Harris — We can beat Harrison’s record

    It seems odd that somehow the black woman’s name sounds more white than the white guy’s name.

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  2. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    One might prefer another Trump administration over a Biden-Harris administration. But a Biden-Harris administration is highly likely at this point.

    And by “Biden-Harris administration” you mean “Harris administration”, because Biden ain’t gonna last six months.

     

    I don’t get where this Harris VP stuff is coming from. But it might be good for us if Biden does pick her, since her lock-’em-up history as a prosecutor, seemed to cost her a lot of the black vote.

    Some of it is from a guy who noticed in 2008 that Sarah Palin’s Wikipedia page was getting a lot of edits before McCain picked her. He’s watching the pages of VP frontrunners and Harris is way ahead of the others and most are from one user. Don’t know what his record was in 2012 or 2016.

    I’m sure if she could, Kamala would be editing or deleting all the videos of her versus Biden from the first debate, when she all but called him a racist for opposing busing. Wonder if anyone will interview Tulsi Gabbard right after the selection?

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  3. Miffed White Male Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    In November, we’ll see if my estimation that Trump is blowing it by behaving the way he does is accurate.

    With all due respect, whether Trump wins or loses, won’t prove anything about your estimations, either way. It would be impossible to know what really “caused” it.

    I fully expect Trump to lose.  That doesn’t mean that I think he should.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    In November, we’ll see if my estimation that Trump is blowing it by behaving the way he does is accurate.

    With all due respect, whether Trump wins or loses, won’t prove anything about your estimations, either way. It would be impossible to know what really “caused” it.

    I fully expect Trump to lose. That doesn’t mean that I think he should.

    If he does lose, everyone who “predicted” it will probably think they were correct about the “reasons,” but there’s no way to really know that.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Q-anon has several candidates this time around. Would you vote for them, or for the Democrat, or leave the choice blank?

    Case-by-case basis. Maybe blanks, maybe write in “Aragorn” if I could do that on an absentee ballot.

    Maybe vote for the Republican. I’m not at all sure a somewhat more conspiracy-focused interpretation of the fact that the federal bureaucracy hates Trump is disqualifying.

    Even if it is, the Democrat candidate almost certainly has at least several disqualifiers–federal money for abortions, no rule of written law, no religious liberty for groups who don’t go all-in on the sexual revolution, etc. Sheesh, “Bush lied us into war” and “Trump works for Putin” are themselves ridiculous conspiracy theories.

    This sounds like a problem to worry about in the primary.

    “But Roy Moore.” etc.

    I seem to recall that situation was already in hand, if Moore had been elected, he would have been removed and replaced by another Republican. That seems to still count as a win.

    At a minimum, Roy Moore would have served for 3 years.  

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Thank you, Bryan. It disappoints me still that no one seems willing to try to make the conservative case for a Democrat win serving America’s interest.

    I don’t think there is conservative case for a Democrat win serving America’s interest, at least not in a direct way.

    Back in 1976 voters faced a choice between Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. Many conservatives supported Reagan in the GOP primary against Ford and believed that Ford was insufficiently conservative.

    Was there a conservative case for electing Jimmy Carter? Not in a direct way. No.

    But once Jimmy Carter was elected, the Democrats held all of the power, controlling the US Senate, the US House and the Presidency. The Democrats also held all of the responsibility for how the nation fared.

    The result was that in 1980 Reagan and the Republicans won huge victories. In 1980 Republicans gained 12 US Senate sets, winning a majority for the first time since the 1950s, and 33 US House seats, still short of a majority.

    So, this might be construed as an indirect conservative case, retrospectively, for a Democrat victory in 1976.

    I can anticipate the counter-argument that the Democrat party of 2020 is much further Left than the Democrat party of 1976. That is certainly true. The fact is no one has a crystal ball and therefore no one knows who bad a Biden-Harris administration will be if they win in November. We know that judicial nominees will be terrible. We know that Biden will reverse many of Trump’s executive orders (which were themselves reversals of Obama’s executive orders).

    So, I will not even make a conservative case for a Democrat victory this November, direct or indirect, simply because no one has a crystal ball, no one knows the future. We can only speculate as to what the consequences of a Trump victory will be and what the consequences of a Biden victory will be. On policy grounds, Trump is going to pursue mostly conservative policies. Biden will pursue leftist policies.

    But this gets to Henry’s next point.

    The regurgitation of Trump’s character deficiencies was entertaining four years ago, but merely tiresome now.

    I guess, if one is sufficiently offended by Trump and one focuses on that, one can avoid having to do the heavy lifting of rationally defending a vote that seems likely to put the worst possible people in charge of the country.

    It seems a shallow basis on which to execute our great civic franchise.

    From my perspective, the issue is not whether I will vote for Trump or cast a “none of the above” vote as I did in 2016. It’s not much of an issue because I live in Indiana where Trump won in 2016 by 19 points. So, Trump is the prohibited favorite to win Indiana with or without my vote.

    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    BTW, I got my “Republicans for Biden” bumper stickers yesterday.  They are already on my car.

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    Q-anon to me still sounds like a generic brand of cotton swab.

    An anonymous brand of cotton swab!

    They’re hiding their identity because they don’t want to be sued by Johnson & Johnson.

    I have already donated to the Democrat in CO-3.  The Republican incumbent was doing a good job, but the Q-Anon who beat him was a nut.  I hope that the Dem wins, and then a sane Republican can take back CO-3 in 2022.  CO-3 is a R+6 district.  We should be able to win it back if we don’t run a Q-Anon.

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

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    I think it is a little preposterous to try to project an election four months down the road when news cycles run about 48 hours and we are coming off the tail of an epidemic and a unique economic crisis, murder rates are skyrocketing, the left is going crazy, and the opposition candidate is obviously and increasingly senile and has yet to announce his hard left identity pick of a vice president who will be the de facto president if his party wins.

    If I were a betting man and I were in Las Vegas and had to bet ten thousand dollars on the outcome of the presidential election, I would bet that Biden will defeat Trump. This doesn’t mean that Trump has zero chance of winning.

    538 gave Trump a 28.6% chance of winning in 2016.  https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/  That seems about right in 2020, maybe a bit lower for Trump. 

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  9. Gary Robbins Member
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    Let’s say Trump wins this November. By 2024 many of the same people who are expressed terror at the thought of a Democrat victory this November will be expressing terror at the thought of a Democrat victory in 2024.

    In the eyes of some, we are always one election away from the end of the Republic. I don’t buy it.

    Neither did many in Weimar Germany…..or modern Venezuela, if the former is too dramatic for you. The ‘one election away’ doesn’t become apparent until after the fact.

    This is all more the reason to defeat Trump in 2020, and to drive a wooden spike through Trumpism.  

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    When David Duke was the Republican Candidate for Governor of Louisiana in 1991, President George H.W. Bush disowned him.

    When Roy Moore was the Republican Candidate for Senator in 2017, President Trump endorsed him.

    I think this is an interesting question.

    I do not equate Donald Trump with David Duke. But in a discussion featuring Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager in 2016, Shapiro explained by he would not vote for Trump. Shapiro has since decided that he will support Trump in 2020.

    But in 2016 Shapiro offered the thought experiment: If David Duke were the nominee, would you vote for him?

    Let’s stipulate that the Democrat nominee for President holds views typical for the modern Democrat party. So, a conservative honestly fears a Democrat victory. Yet the conservative would prefer to not vote for David Duke, someone who has been associated with the KKK.

    So, does one view David Duke as the lessor of two evils and vote for David Duke to keep the Democrat out of the White House? Or does one cast a “none of the above” vote?

    As Shapiro mentioned in his discussion with Dennis Prager back in 2016, the question is where do you draw the line. Shapiro also was not implying that he believed that Donald Trump was as morally repugnant as David Duke, only that, at the time, Shapiro viewed Trump as sufficiently repugnant to where he could not vote for Trump.

    We sided with Stalin when the alternative was Hitler.

    Another reason to vote for Biden in 2020, my first vote for a Democrat for President since 1972.  I got my “Republicans for Biden” bumper stickers yesterday and have already put them on my car.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Let’s say Trump wins this November. By 2024 many of the same people who are expressed terror at the thought of a Democrat victory this November will be expressing terror at the thought of a Democrat victory in 2024.

    In the eyes of some, we are always one election away from the end of the Republic. I don’t buy it.

    I’d like to think that losing to Trump twice might have some sobering effect on the dems. It’s possible it will empower the left even more, but it also might lead to sanity prevailing.

    I *know* to a metaphysical certitude that Trump losing in 2020 will empower the left.

    I “know” to a metaphysical certitude that Trump losing in 2020 will disempower the Q-Anon, David Duke, and populist factions of the Republican Party.

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  12. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Q-anon to me still sounds like a generic brand of cotton swab.

    An anonymous brand of cotton swab!

    They’re hiding their identity because they don’t want to be sued by Johnson & Johnson.

    I have already donated to the Democrat in CO-3. The Republican incumbent was doing a good job, but the Q-Anon who beat him was a nut. I hope that the Dem wins, and then a sane Republican can take back CO-3 in 2022. CO-3 is a R+6 district. We should be able to win it back if we don’t run a Q-Anon.

    Would you say the nut that beat him in CO-3 is closer to the inner circle of power on the GOP side than this guy is on the Democratic side? (I’m assuming you now know who he is, and these are the types of people you’re enabling to put into national power:)

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think it is a little preposterous to try to project an election four months down the road when news cycles run about 48 hours and we are coming off the tail of an epidemic and a unique economic crisis, murder rates are skyrocketing, the left is going crazy, and the opposition candidate is obviously and increasingly senile and has yet to announce his hard left identity pick of a vice president who will be the de facto president if his party wins.

    If I were a betting man and I were in Las Vegas and had to bet ten thousand dollars on the outcome of the presidential election, I would bet that Biden will defeat Trump. This doesn’t mean that Trump has zero chance of winning.

    But you understand that the better choice, were it available, would be not to bet right now. Right? Because we’re in a chaotic moment, and all kinds of things can change between now and November.

    That is trivially true. The bottom line is, in my opinion, Trump is headed for defeat this November. Some of the causes of Trump’s defeat are his fault and some of the causes of his defeat are not his fault. That is my honest assessment of the situation. Perhaps you think I should withhold my assessment until September or even the day after the election.

    Since you brought it up…

    What I think you should do is put a cork in the negativity, quit with the fence sitting about maybe you would or maybe you wouldn’t vote for Trump la de da, contribute something positive to the re-election effort because the nation is obviously better off with a Republican in the White House than with a Democrat, and just generally stop being a tiny little impediment toward saving the nation from the ruin a significant cohort of the electorate seems to be embracing.

    I agree that the nation is obviously better off with a Republican in the White House than with a Democrat.  I disagree that Trump is a Republican.  Instead he spear-headed a populist take-over of the Republican Party.  Get rid of Trump, and restore the Republican Party of Reagan, Ike, Coolidge and the Bushes.

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  14. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency,  Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.” 

     

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Afternoon Heavy,

    I think your analysis of our times is tellingly unbalanced to support your conclusions. What is worse today, on the economy, our debt, the nature of our debt is much, much greater and is tilted more toward entitlements, we are dependent on a stronger enemy, that is China, compared to our dependence on Mideast oil. Socializing medicine takes another big fraction of the economy and makes more of life under the control of the govt and degrades quality while increasing the size of govt and its workers. Culturally, when Moynihan wrote on the black family, the single parent rate was 25% now in the minority community it is pushing 75% and in the country at large it is nearly 50%. No country can thrive if marriage falls apart. Without immigration our birth rates are below replacement level. More families require two incomes. The divide between the classes is much greater read “Coming Apart”, Murray. The society is confused about basic definition, what is a good man, woman, what is justice. There was little confusion about courtship, dating, marriage in the 60’s. None of the problems existed in the 60’s and 70’s the way they do now. There were protests for free speech and not the opposite, there were no safe spaces, the racial strife was for equal opportunity. I would argue that our threats are worse now, our biggest foreign enemy supplies us with many of our essentials, that was never the case with the USSR, and that our biggest threat (our own govt) is even more of a threat, and is bigger and more corrupt. Yes we have survived worse times, WWII for example but look at the costs, 60+ million dead. We may survive Biden, but to be indifferent to the costs is not only not wise, but I would argue evidence of poor character. We should push against the decline of our culture, and work to stop indebting our children, and recognize and identify our biggest hazards and work to lessen their threat. It is true that all eras have their trade-offs but that said it is wiser to work to minimize the problems we can see coming.

    Jim

    Carriage returns and paragraphs are your friends. Don’t be afraid to use them.

    Once after submitting a very, very long paragraph, a Judge told me, “Gary, we need to introduce you to ‘our friend the paragraph.'”  Three to five sentences are best.  19 sentences are exhausting.

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  16. Miffed White Male Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency, Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.”

     

    As  said on another thread a few weeks ago.  it’s 1917.  Gary’s logic is “Sure, we have to put up with the Bolsheviks for a short time.  But at least we’ve gotten rid of the Czar.”.

     

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    Afternoon again Miffed,

    I thought you were trying to improve my comments. I took your advice as friendly advice. I like and need feedback and an editor. Thanks. I would like my comments to be clear and easy to read, however they look like they just fell out of my head, which they did.

    Yes, the big monolithic paragraph has always been a challenge to me, and I often don’t read them all the way through. I did yours, Jim, because I liked what you were saying and thought you made a lot of sense.

    Sometimes I assume people have a hard time with keyboards. I have a friend who always writes to me in all uppercase, because her vision is poor. I had another who used exclamation points because his keyboard wouldn’t reliably enter a period. And I know people who manage to hit Send when they mean to press the enter key, though that’s not a problem on Ricochet unless perhaps you’re using a phone.

    Anyway, I appreciate your comments. And I also like white space. ;)

    The paragraph was well-written and reasoned.  It just needed pauses.  I want to join Henry in saying that what you wrote was well said and made a lot of sense.  Good writing.  With a smidge of editing, you are a gang-buster writer.

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Afternoon Heavy,

    I think your analysis of our times is tellingly unbalanced to support your conclusions. What is worse today, on the economy, our debt, the nature of our debt is much, much greater and is tilted more toward entitlements, we are dependent on a stronger enemy, that is China, compared to our dependence on Mideast oil. Socializing medicine takes another big fraction of the economy and makes more of life under the control of the govt and degrades quality while increasing the size of govt and its workers. Culturally, when Moynihan wrote on the black family, the single parent rate was 25% now in the minority community it is pushing 75% and in the country at large it is nearly 50%. No country can thrive if marriage falls apart. Without immigration our birth rates are below replacement level. More families require two incomes. The divide between the classes is much greater read “Coming Apart”, Murray. The society is confused about basic definition, what is a good man, woman, what is justice. There was little confusion about courtship, dating, marriage in the 60’s. None of the problems existed in the 60’s and 70’s the way they do now. There were protests for free speech and not the opposite, there were no safe spaces, the racial strife was for equal opportunity. I would argue that our threats are worse now, our biggest foreign enemy supplies us with many of our essentials, that was never the case with the USSR, and that our biggest threat (our own govt) is even more of a threat, and is bigger and more corrupt. Yes we have survived worse times, WWII for example but look at the costs, 60+ million dead. We may survive Biden, but to be indifferent to the costs is not only not wise, but I would argue evidence of poor character. We should push against the decline of our culture, and work to stop indebting our children, and recognize and identify our biggest hazards and work to lessen their threat. It is true that all eras have their trade-offs but that said it is wiser to work to minimize the problems we can see coming.

    Jim

    Carriage returns and paragraphs are your friends. Don’t be afraid to use them.

    Once after submitting a very, very long paragraph, a Judge told me, “Gary, we need to introduce you to ‘our friend the paragraph.’” Three to five sentences are best. 19 sentences are exhausting.

    I once read a history of the WWII Eastern front.  I don’t think there was a single paragraph in the entire book that was less than half a page.  It was  a real slog to get through.

     

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Thank you, Bryan. It disappoints me still that no one seems willing to try to make the conservative case for a Democrat win serving America’s interest. The regurgitation of Trump’s character deficiencies was entertaining four years ago, but merely tiresome now.

    I guess, if one is sufficiently offended by Trump and one focuses on that, one can avoid having to do the heavy lifting of rationally defending a vote that seems likely to put the worst possible people in charge of the country.

    It seems a shallow basis on which to execute our great civic franchise.

    So, Trump is the prohibitive favorite in my state of Indiana, having defeated Clinton in 2016 by 19 points. So, the issue, as I see it, is not should I vote for Trump or cast a “none of the above” vote. Either way, the result is likely the same: Trump wins Indiana’s electoral votes in November and Biden does not.

    The issue is this: If Trump loses to Biden, which is looking highly likely at this point (though no one knows with certainty), what lessons can conservatives and Republicans draw from Trump’s defeat?

    I think the appropriate lesson is to avoid nominating someone for President who is incapable of running a disciplined campaign. During a time when America faces important issues regarding race, policy tactics, the economy, immigration, Trump spends time accusing Joe Scarborough of having one of his aides killed in the 1990s and getting into fights with NASCAR over NASCAR’s ban of the Confederate flag.

    Basically, by nominating Trump the GOP has provided Americans pretty solid evidence that Republicans have lost their minds and are therefore not qualified to set policy for the country. That might be an unfair conclusion for people to draw. But this is the reality.

    So, to respond more directly to @henryracette, we are asking different questions and getting different answers. Henry is asking, “Should conservatives vote for Trump?” I am asking, “Given a likely Trump defeat, what lessons can conservatives learn?”

    Your entire argument suffers from one fatal flaw. “The GOP” did not nominate Trump. VOTERS did.

    No.  Trump is unique among Republican nominees in that he was not voted in by a “majority” of GOP voters, only a plurality.  Romney, McCain, W., Dole, H.W. and Reagan all received a majority of GOP voters.    

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    Let’s say Trump wins this November. By 2024 many of the same people who are expressed terror at the thought of a Democrat victory this November will be expressing terror at the thought of a Democrat victory in 2024.

    In the eyes of some, we are always one election away from the end of the Republic. I don’t buy it.

    I’d like to think that losing to Trump twice might have some sobering effect on the dems. It’s possible it will empower the left even more, but it also might lead to sanity prevailing.

    I *know* to a metaphysical certitude that Trump losing in 2020 will empower the left.

    Ah, a McLaughlin Group alumni!

    The McLaughlin Group has returned, with three of the old gang.  It airs every Friday, and can be found on Apple iTunes.

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    Q-anon to me still sounds like a generic brand of cotton swab.

    An anonymous brand of cotton swab!

    They’re hiding their identity because they don’t want to be sued by Johnson & Johnson.

    I have already donated to the Democrat in CO-3. The Republican incumbent was doing a good job, but the Q-Anon who beat him was a nut. I hope that the Dem wins, and then a sane Republican can take back CO-3 in 2022. CO-3 is a R+6 district. We should be able to win it back if we don’t run a Q-Anon.

    Would you say the nut that beat him in CO-3 is closer to the inner circle of power on the GOP side than this guy is on the Democratic side? (I’m assuming you now know who he is, and these are the types of people you’re enabling to put into national power:)

    I absolutely oppose Keith Ellison.  Minnesota is getting what they voted for.

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  22. Hoyacon Member
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    Q-anon to me still sounds like a generic brand of cotton swab.

    An anonymous brand of cotton swab!

    They’re hiding their identity because they don’t want to be sued by Johnson & Johnson.

    I have already donated to the Democrat in CO-3. The Republican incumbent was doing a good job, but the Q-Anon who beat him was a nut. I hope that the Dem wins, and then a sane Republican can take back CO-3 in 2022. CO-3 is a R+6 district. We should be able to win it back if we don’t run a Q-Anon.

    I noticed that you skipped over the fact that Trump endorsed your preferred candidate, the incumbent, who “the nut” defeated. 

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency, Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.”

    In 1976 Carter won and was holding all of the branches of government.  Carter screwed up so badly that the Republicans gained a net of 12 Senate Seats, taking control of the Senate for the first time since the 1950’s.   

    One of the seats was Chuck Grassley who beat an incumbent senator.  Grassley is now the longest serving Republican in the Senate.

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency, Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.”

     

    As said on another thread a few weeks ago. it’s 1917. Gary’s logic is “Sure, we have to put up with the Bolsheviks for a short time. But at least we’ve gotten rid of the Czar.”.

    I don’t think that it is 1917 in Russia or 1933 in Germany.  This is still the United States. 

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  25. Hoyacon Member
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    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency, Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.”

    In 1976 Carter won and was holding all of the branches of government. Carter screwed up so badly that the Republicans gained a net of 12 Senate Seats, taking control of the Senate for the first time since the 1950’s.

    One of the seats was Chuck Grassley who beat an incumbent senator. Grassley is now the longest serving Republican in the Senate.

    That’s interesting, if irrelevant.  So you plan to support a candidate and then hope he “screws up badly”?

     

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  26. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    Q-anon to me still sounds like a generic brand of cotton swab.

    An anonymous brand of cotton swab!

    They’re hiding their identity because they don’t want to be sued by Johnson & Johnson.

    I have already donated to the Democrat in CO-3. The Republican incumbent was doing a good job, but the Q-Anon who beat him was a nut. I hope that the Dem wins, and then a sane Republican can take back CO-3 in 2022. CO-3 is a R+6 district. We should be able to win it back if we don’t run a Q-Anon.

    I noticed that you skipped over the fact that Trump endorsed your preferred candidate, the incumbent, who “the nut” defeated.

    Trump did endorse Scott Tipton, the five term incumbent.  Trump also endorsed incumbent Alabama Senator Luther Strange over Roy Moore in 2017.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency, Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.”

    In 1976 Carter won and was holding all of the branches of government. Carter screwed up so badly that the Republicans gained a net of 12 Senate Seats, taking control of the Senate for the first time since the 1950’s.

    One of the seats was Chuck Grassley who beat an incumbent senator. Grassley is now the longest serving Republican in the Senate.

    That’s interesting, if irrelevant. So you plan to support a candidate and then hope he “screws up badly”?

    Given that Trump has screwed up bigly, yes, I support Biden whose policies I dislike to get rid of Trump and Trumpism.

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  28. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency, Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.”

    In 1976 Carter won and was holding all of the branches of government. Carter screwed up so badly that the Republicans gained a net of 12 Senate Seats, taking control of the Senate for the first time since the 1950’s.

    One of the seats was Chuck Grassley who beat an incumbent senator. Grassley is now the longest serving Republican in the Senate.

    That’s interesting, if irrelevant. So you plan to support a candidate and then hope he “screws up badly”?

    Given that Trump has screwed up bigly, yes, I support Biden whose policies I dislike to get rid of Trump and Trumpism.

    I’m sorry that you’re opposed to Trump’s significant policy successes.  But the question that I raised was why would you support a candidate and then hope he screws up?  That just doesn’t compute.

     

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  29. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is an excellent analysis of the short term pain, long term gain of voting for Biden to rid our country and party of Trump.

    So Biden wins, and, since he was barely capable of running in 2020, steps down in 2024 for his VP. However, during those four years, the entire machinery of the federal government is dedicated to reinforcing woke culture and pandering to the worst of what we’ve seen over the last couple of months.

    Using the power of incumbency, Biden’s VP wins in 2024 and 2028, giving us eight more years (for a total of 12 years) of Supreme Court Justices, abortions, and unfettered illegal immigration.

    Don’t you just love what some consider “short term pain.”

    In 1976 Carter won and was holding all of the branches of government. Carter screwed up so badly that the Republicans gained a net of 12 Senate Seats, taking control of the Senate for the first time since the 1950’s.

    One of the seats was Chuck Grassley who beat an incumbent senator. Grassley is now the longest serving Republican in the Senate.

    That’s interesting, if irrelevant. So you plan to support a candidate and then hope he “screws up badly”?

    Given that Trump has screwed up bigly, yes, I support Biden whose policies I dislike to get rid of Trump and Trumpism.

    I’m sorry that you’re opposed to Trump’s significant policy successes. But the question that I raised was why would you support a candidate and then hope he screws up? That just doesn’t compute.

    It is a calculated risk.  If Bernie were nominated, I would likely be sitting this one out.  If AOC were old enough to be nominated, I would hold my nose and vote for Trump.

    I hope that I am right.  But if we can rid the party of Trump, and Uday and Qusay (DJTJ and Ivanka) are not nominated in the future, I think that the price of Biden will not be too high.  

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  30. Buckpasser Member
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    One might prefer another Trump administration over a Biden-Harris administration. But a Biden-Harris administration is highly likely at this point.

    And by “Biden-Harris administration” you mean “Harris administration”, because Biden ain’t gonna last six months.

     

    There won’t be a Biden administration.  Biden will come out and try to read from a teleprompter every once in awhile, get a pat on the head from the media, and go back to his desk pretending to be President.  The AOCs, the Omars, the BLMs, etc will go back to actually making the decisions and policies.

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