We’ve Moved on From Third Trimester Abortion to Straight Up Infanticide

 

In the wake of the ghoulish New York abortion law, there’s fresh horrors out of Virginia in the last twenty-four hours. The first, an actual bill:

What is more ghoulish than this, a baby killed just before it enters the world via birth canal? Virginia Governor Ralph Northam somehow manages to pull off an even more disturbing statement:

At least they’re no longer pretending this is about women’s health anymore. This is a culture of death. Notice how many in the mainstream take note that a Governor of a major state advocating for legalized infanticide.

 

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  1. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    And this is Governor Northam’s High School Yearbook ….

    #RememberJudgeKavanaugh

    I heard it was his med school yearbook. Also, I can’t believe that story turned out to be real, after all.

    The question is, which one was he?

     

    Well, he is a member of the actual, historical, party of the Klan. Robert Byrd was praised by their luminaries at his funeral.

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  2. thelonious Member
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Interesting there were no doctors at the hearing for a law that would significantly change how they can do their jobs. All too busy seeing patients? Golly Gee are they that dedicated to their profession or too embarrassed to attend this abortion of a hearing. The ladies presenting the bill didn’t even have the foresight to research the medical conditions they knew would probably be asked. Watching this I was both horrified and embarrassed for these bozos.

    Governor Northam is a physician, a pediatric neurologist. Being a doctor is no bar to being a bad person-there are any number of doctors who think abortion and euthanasia are just fine, viz. Ezekiel Emanuel and Joseph Mengele.

    They aren’t bozos, they are communists, or maybe fascists, certainly statists, i.e., Democrats. There’s a reason that medical conditions weren’t in the bill, and it isn’t that these people are stupid. They’re evil, not stupid.

    Just to clarify if it wasn’t obvious enough. I was referring to the women in the first video at the hearing not the radio interview with Gov. Northam.

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  3. Thejokewasonme Member
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I do believe that a large portion of their voter base is simply brainwashed by years of messaging from the media, and I do hesitate to call them evil, rather they promote evil without really thinking about it. Mind control plus social inertia plus laziness in critical thinking (or none at all). Many are waking up, but not enough yet.

    Yeah, I have some beloved family in this position. Not evil, just under the sway of the culture (of death). I worry that the reinforcement of moral vanity by the culture will be too much to overcome. There’s a confidence in one’s righteousness (AOC is the poster child) that’s a yuuuuge temptation on the Left (and sometimes on the Right). It’s a very comfortable mental state.

    You are correct, both of you, and I am in the same boat with some of my relatives. I take back my blanket condemnation.

    Still, it is infuriating that when you try and talk to them, they say things like “Republicans are racist and hate women,” and won’t listen.

    The discussion reminds me of what Abraham Lincoln observed:

    “The true rule, in determining to embrace, or reject any thing, is not whether it have any evil in it; but whether it have more evil, than of good. There are few things wholly evil, or wholly good. Almost every thing, especially of government policy, is an inseparable compound of the two; so that our best judgment of the preponderance between them is continually demanded.” 

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  4. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    Still, it is infuriating that when you try and talk to them, they say things like “Republicans are racist and hate women,” and won’t listen.

    This is because they make the same blanket statements about people on the right being evil as have been made in this conversation about the left.

    From whatever side that comes, this makes it so much simpler to live. One doesn’t have to engage at all with anyone else who is “evil,” right?  In fact we should avoid evil!  We must avoid leftists!

    While I am as disgusted as anyone else about third trimester abortions–and am pretty militant about first trimester abortions being morally disordered as well–we must all resist the temptation to lump “the left” into a blob “evil” group.

    One need only learn from them and see the results of such lumping: proposals for putting boys in wood chippers simply because they wore MAGA hats.

    I think I’ve finally found a good use for the verb “resist.”  ;)

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  5. Columbo Inactive
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    And this is Governor Northam’s High School Yearbook ….

    #RememberJudgeKavanaugh

    I heard it was his med school yearbook. Also, I can’t believe that story turned out to be real, after all.

    The question is, which one was he?

     

    Well, he is a member of the actual, historical, party of the Klan. Robert Byrd was praised by their luminaries at his funeral.

    Indeed. These actual “white nationalist haters” put Grand Kleagle Byrd’s name on lots of buildings and highways.

    Additionally, he was praised and eulogized (by Hillary, no less) by all of the democrats at his passing as the “conscience of the Senate”. Laughable. The same man who filibustered the civil rights act.

    Hypocrisy … thy name is democrat!

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  6. cdor Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Nauseating. Literally.

    When will people of good conscience stop voting Democrat? When?

    There are no people of good conscience voting Democrat. They are evil, every last one of them. It’s not like they don’t know what their party represents-they are shouting their abortions from the rooftops, they are openly calling for destroying the United States as founded, and for socialism.

    I do believe that a large portion of their voter base is simply brainwashed by years of messaging from the media, and I do hesitate to call them evil, rather they promote evil without really thinking about it. Mind control plus social inertia plus laziness in critical thinking (or none at all). Many are waking up, but not enough yet.

    There is a little public golf course where I go most of the time for my golf.  During the 2016 campaign I played with a union pipefitter one day. He was a good guy–in his early 60’s and as we played the talk meandered into politics. I asked him who he was voting for, Clinton or Trump. He kind of hemmed and hawed and finally said, look, I’ve voted Democrat all my life so I’ll probably vote for Clinton. I asked him if he actually liked her, how many jobs had she ever created for his fellow union pals? I pointed out that Trump has created 10’s of thousands of good paying union jobs his whole life. The pipefitter sheepishly shook his head in agreement and said he understood and didn’t really think much of Clinton, but habits were habits. A few months later, after the election, I saw him in the clubhouse. Sooo??? I asked. Who’d ya vote for? He looked down at the ground, smiled, and said Clinton. “Well, maybe next time you will break that bad habit” I said as I walked away.

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  7. Columbo Inactive
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    Still, it is infuriating that when you try and talk to them, they say things like “Republicans are racist and hate women,” and won’t listen.

    This is because they make the same blanket statements about people on the right being evil as have been made in this conversation about the left.

    From whatever side that comes, this makes it so much simpler to live. One doesn’t have to engage at all with anyone else who is “evil,” right? In fact we should avoid evil! We must avoid leftists!

    While I am as disgusted as anyone else about third trimester abortions–and am pretty militant about first trimester abortions being morally disordered as well–we must all resist the temptation to lump “the left” into a blob “evil” group.

    One need only learn from them and see the results of such lumping: proposals for putting boys in wood chippers simply because they wore MAGA hats.

    I think I’ve finally found a good use for the verb “resist.” ;)

    The policies, platforms and behaviour of the democrat party is evil. 

    People intentionally embrace these policies. To paraphrase Forrest Gump, evil is as evil does.

    A well-meaning person can “resist” participating in evil.

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    Still, it is infuriating that when you try and talk to them, they say things like “Republicans are racist and hate women,” and won’t listen.

    This is because they make the same blanket statements about people on the right being evil as have been made in this conversation about the left.

    From whatever side that comes, this makes it so much simpler to live. One doesn’t have to engage at all with anyone else who is “evil,” right? In fact we should avoid evil! We must avoid leftists!

    While I am as disgusted as anyone else about third trimester abortions–and am pretty militant about first trimester abortions being morally disordered as well–we must all resist the temptation to lump “the left” into a blob “evil” group.

    One need only learn from them and see the results of such lumping: proposals for putting boys in wood chippers simply because they wore MAGA hats.

    I think I’ve finally found a good use for the verb “resist.” ;)

    The policies, platforms and behaviour of the democrat party is evil.

    People intentionally embrace these policies. To paraphrase Forrest Gump, evil is as evil does.

    A well-meaning person can “resist” participating in evil.

    Oh, I think we can call leftism evil. It is an ideology founded on coercion and lies. On self-pity and self-righteousness. Its impulses are totalitarian (you like your doctor? Too bad.) It’s hard to imagine anything more demonic.

    Leftists tend to be a mixed bag like the rest of us. What people find irresistible about leftism is a) the moral vanity (good people welcome all immigrants — especially poor brown ones!), or b) the cultural pressure to conform, or c) Both a) and b). 

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  9. George Townsend Inactive
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    Still, it is infuriating that when you try and talk to them, they say things like “Republicans are racist and hate women,” and won’t listen.

    This is because they make the same blanket statements about people on the right being evil as have been made in this conversation about the left.

    From whatever side that comes, this makes it so much simpler to live. One doesn’t have to engage at all with anyone else who is “evil,” right? In fact we should avoid evil! We must avoid leftists!

    While I am as disgusted as anyone else about third trimester abortions–and am pretty militant about first trimester abortions being morally disordered as well–we must all resist the temptation to lump “the left” into a blob “evil” group.

    One need only learn from them and see the results of such lumping: proposals for putting boys in wood chippers simply because they wore MAGA hats.

    I think I’ve finally found a good use for the verb “resist.” ;)

    Lois, I agree with you about the term “evil”. I think it should reserved for mass murderers and the like. So, while I would not designate the Governor of Virginia as evil, I think the sanctioning of what amounts to infanticide is pretty disgusting, and I would like it if Virginians can find a way to recall him, because of that reason. Not the Klan picture, as disgusting as that is. We have to make it clear that we as a society will not stand for the killing of babies who just been born.

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  10. Max Grossmann Inactive
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    George Townsend (View Comment):
    So, while I would not designate the Governor of Virginia as evil, I think the sanctioning of what amounts to infanticide is pretty disgusting

    Spoiled milk is “pretty disgusting”. Infanticide and the endorsement thereof are evil and must be utterly defied.

    Unfortunately, his successor would be even more radical. There is no good outcome here for Rs. Sometimes, the only winning move is not to play.

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  11. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Max Grossmann (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    So, while I would not designate the Governor of Virginia as evil, I think the sanctioning of what amounts to infanticide is pretty disgusting

    Spoiled milk is “pretty disgusting”. Infanticide and the endorsement thereof are evil and must be utterly defied.

    Unfortunately, his successor would be even more radical. There is no good outcome here for Rs. Sometimes, the only winning move is not to play.

    The good outcome is to increase their slim majorities in this year’s legislative elections so as to prevent any of his policies from seeing the light of day. Then, running a good candidate for governor in 2021, making sure to constantly remind voters who they elected the last time. 

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  12. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    Still, it is infuriating that when you try and talk to them, they say things like “Republicans are racist and hate women,” and won’t listen.

    This is because they make the same blanket statements about people on the right being evil as have been made in this conversation about the left.

    From whatever side that comes, this makes it so much simpler to live. One doesn’t have to engage at all with anyone else who is “evil,” right? In fact we should avoid evil! We must avoid leftists!

    While I am as disgusted as anyone else about third trimester abortions–and am pretty militant about first trimester abortions being morally disordered as well–we must all resist the temptation to lump “the left” into a blob “evil” group.

    One need only learn from them and see the results of such lumping: proposals for putting boys in wood chippers simply because they wore MAGA hats.

    I think I’ve finally found a good use for the verb “resist.” ;)

    The policies, platforms and behaviour of the democrat party is evil.

    People intentionally embrace these policies. To paraphrase Forrest Gump, evil is as evil does.

    A well-meaning person can “resist” participating in evil.

    Oh, I think we can call leftism evil. It is an ideology founded on coercion and lies. On self-pity and self-righteousness. Its impulses are totalitarian (you like your doctor? Too bad.) It’s hard to imagine anything more demonic.

    Leftists tend to be a mixed bag like the rest of us. What people find irresistible about leftism is a) the moral vanity (good people welcome all immigrants — especially poor brown ones!), or b) the cultural pressure to conform, or c) Both a) and b).

    That is reasonable. 

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  13. George Townsend Inactive
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Oh, I think we can call leftism evil. It is an ideology founded on coercion and lies. On self-pity and self-righteousness. Its impulses are totalitarian (you like your doctor? Too bad.) It’s hard to imagine anything more demonic.

    Leftists tend to be a mixed bag like the rest of us. What people find irresistible about leftism is a) the moral vanity (good people welcome all immigrants — especially poor brown ones!), or b) the cultural pressure to conform, or c) Both a) and b).

    That is reasonable.

    Yes, I agree. This sounds reasonable. First of all, any ideology that seeks to control others, I believe, is evil. The reason I insist on differentiating between the act and the person is because to focus on the individual would seem to mean that we cannot make distinctions. Slavery was evil; but not all slaveholders were evil. The reason is because we didn’t know them. Most people didn’t know better in those days. If you grow up a certain way, and there is no one around to tell you that this is wrong, you can’t see it as wrong. Perhaps there were those who didn’t beat their slaves but treated some like family members. 

    It seems to me that truly evil people keep doing things that no civilized person would tolerate. People like Mao, Hitler, Stalin, and others kept killing people. They were evil. If we call people who do lesser things evil, it seems to me, we diminish what those monsters did.

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