We’ve Moved on From Third Trimester Abortion to Straight Up Infanticide

 

In the wake of the ghoulish New York abortion law, there’s fresh horrors out of Virginia in the last twenty-four hours. The first, an actual bill:

What is more ghoulish than this, a baby killed just before it enters the world via birth canal? Virginia Governor Ralph Northam somehow manages to pull off an even more disturbing statement:

At least they’re no longer pretending this is about women’s health anymore. This is a culture of death. Notice how many in the mainstream take note that a Governor of a major state advocating for legalized infanticide.

 

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  1. WI Con Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    When Democrats try to stand on some kind of moral high ground when some sob story about one of their pet agendas fits the narrative to pull at the nations heart strings, and they stand up and say “This isn’t who we are”. Yea I guess baby killing is who we are, because they have no problem with it.

    Every single Republican should use these bills to show how radical the Democrats are. Republicans can’t shy away from the “social issues” anymore. We have a democrat politician admitting, on video, to infanticide and probably have a good amount of Democrats in the legislature who will vote for it. It’s not something we can sweep under the rug anymore.

    Yeah but did you see the smirk on that Covington Kid? That was an outrage!

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  2. Columbo Inactive
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Thanks for this, Bethany.

    I first learned about the on the Ben Shapiro Podcast. The barbarism. here is unbelievable. I hope people will wise up and defeat, at the polls, the people who are behind this sort of thing Words truly fail me, as I contemplate what we have come to, as a culture. It is indeed A Culture of Death, and it has to stop!

    I agree George. FYI – Bill Kristol and his wife donated to Northam over Ed Gillespie because he was too ‘Trumpy’. So for all those babies on the Left’s chopping block, 2020 is their ‘Flight 93’ election.

    Wondering if Mona Charen can tell us how Gov. Larry Hogan and the other N.E. GOP New Hopes feel about this. Anyone think defunding Planned Parenthood is worth “shutting down (15%)” of government? I do!

     

    A terrific point WI Con, which raises this question … Is Conservatism an abstract philosophy or a mode of governance?

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  3. Jim George Member
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    Bethany and other friends, I just had a huge relief when I saw this article indicating that the Republican members of the House voted unanimously to shelve this bill, killing it. 

    Here is part of the article:

    “Virginia Republicans defeated Tuesday a bill loosening abortion restrictions after the sponsor admitted that the legislation would allow the procedure even after the mother went into labor.

    A House subcommittee voted 5-3 to table H.R. 2491, called the Repeal Act, with all Republicans voting to table it and all Democrats voting against.

    “Virginia House Democrats proposed legislation to allow abortions up to just seconds before that precious child takes their first breath,” said the Virginia House Republicans said on Facebook. “Watch for yourself. Thankfully, our strong conservative majority was able to defeat this bill.”

    In a viral video, Democratic Del. Kathy Tran acknowledged Tuesday that her bill would permit abortions on pregnant women at 40 weeks, the end of the third trimester, if deemed necessary to protect her mental or physical health.

    “Heartbreaking,” the Virginia House GOP tweeted. “This isn’t in New York, this isn’t in California, this happened just this week right here in Virginia.”

    Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin called it a “sad commentary on the culture of death that continues to creep insidiously into the laws of our country.” “

    Before I close with my expression of thanks to these fine people who killed off this monstrosity, I say again what a reprehensible culture of death we are moving into; just a matter of time before this starts up in many other states.

    For now, however, I’ll say:

    Hallelujah! 

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  4. Columbo Inactive
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    Jim George (View Comment):

    Bethany Mandel: At least they’re no longer pretending this is about women’s health anymore. This is a culture of death. Notice how many in the mainstream take note that a Governor of a major state advocating for legalized infanticide.

    @bethanymandel, this is the way Nations start the process of withering, decaying, rotting and declining into death. I cannot for the life of me understand how people with a scintilla of decency and the slightest degree of morality can countenance such despicable behavior as these legislatures are engaging in. I think Jim described it perfectly in #13 as “total moral free fall” and once any object, or Nation, is in free fall, by definition there is no control left and it spins or falls to its death.

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Also note, the governor’s statement, that the mother and the physicians would keep the newborn comfortable while they decided whether they wanted to kill it. This is how Democrat empathy works.

    It is, in the true sense of the word, breathtaking that the Governor of a major state, or any state, or for that matter, any citizen of the United States of America would make a statement which calmly discusses committing an act which is in every sense of the word murder; I cannot even think rationally about what this means our country has come to; as hard as try to be optimistic about the US of A, I cannot see this as anything but the beginning of the end. I wish it were not so.

    Pray for America and for all these precious babies who have been murdered and those many more who will be murdered after “they are made comfortable” while a discussion is held regarding whether it will live or die.

    Pray.

    Pray indeed. President Reagan recognized this “wound in our national conscience” in 1986. In that year’s State of the Union address, he had this to say about the right to life of the Unborn (go to 16:35 on the video) ….

    Today there is a wound in our national conscience. America will never be whole as long as the right to life granted by our Creator is denied to the unborn. For the rest of my time, I shall do what I can to see that this wound is one day healed.

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  5. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Having rightly denounced the Democratic Party’s culture of death, the author will be all in for President Trump’s reelection. After all, he is the first presidential candidate to ever stand on the presidential debate stage and issue a full-throated denunciation of late term elective abortion as “ripping the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the last day.”

    WALLACE: Mr. Trump, your reaction? And particularly on this issue of late-term, partial-birth abortions.

    TRUMP: Well, I think it’s terrible. If you go with what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.

    Now, you can say that that’s OK and Hillary can say that that’s OK. But it’s not OK with me, because based on what she’s saying, and based on where she’s going, and where she’s been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day. And that’s not acceptable.

    But that’s the Great Big Ugly Man, so let’s actually distract from our only real chance to stop this wickedness in the real world in 2020, then end our time with uncensored speech saying it was the deplorable non-church-going evangelicals’ fault we got President Harris.

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  6. Bob W Member
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    The right to abortion has always meant the right TO a dead baby, not the right to have a pregnancy terminated ( which is what birth accomplishes).

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  7. Barfly Member
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    Guruforhire (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    So, what are Virginians going to do about this?

    Not a lot because there are too many Virginians are New Yorkers.

    And even more are in Virginia because they depend on the Feral government for sustenance.

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  8. Brian Watt Inactive
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  9. Stad Coolidge
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    I always thought abortion was a states’ right issue, because the procedure is not mentioned in the Constitution.  However, after seeing how some states are shedding any and all restrictions, I’m about ready for that Constitutional Amendment.

    It won’t be easy, but somewhere between a fetal heartbeat and 12 weeks ought to be acceptable for a majority of states.  However, what do you all think would muster a majority of state legislatures?

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  10. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Nauseating. Literally.

    When will people of good conscience stop voting Democrat? When?

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  11. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    …people of good conscience…

    There’s the fundamental problem, in every society in every time. Consider this, written around 2,500 years ago:

    27Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain. 28Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken. 29The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner, denying them justice.

    Ezekiel 22, NIV

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  12. George Townsend Inactive
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Thanks for this, Bethany.

    I first learned about the on the Ben Shapiro Podcast. The barbarism. here is unbelievable. I hope people will wise up and defeat, at the polls, the people who are behind this sort of thing Words truly fail me, as I contemplate what we have come to, as a culture. It is indeed A Culture of Death, and it has to stop!

    I agree George. FYI – Bill Kristol and his wife donated to Northam over Ed Gillespie because he was too ‘Trumpy’. So for all those babies on the Left’s chopping block, 2020 is their ‘Flight 93’ election.

    Wondering if Mona Charen can tell us how Gov. Larry Hogan and the other N.E. GOP New Hopes feel about this. Anyone think defunding Planned Parenthood is worth “shutting down (15%)” of government? I do!

     

    Were I a Virginian, I would not have given money to Northan. I just don’t do that. Even the most mild Democrat today will be pressured to be a creep, as apparently Northan is. But, in Bill’s defense, I don’t think he would have done it had he known about this bill.

    And bringing Mona into this is silly and petty. She is as against abortion as anyone here. The Mona Hatred never lets up.

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  13. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Obianuju Ekeocha is one of the strongest advocates for the Culture of Life. If you are on twitter, follow her.

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  14. Scott Wilmot Member
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    And my bishop, Joseph Strickland, is a bishop who leads and tells it as it is.

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  15. Bob W Member
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    Someone clarify something for me,  which came up in another thread. I thought that federal courts override any state attempt to limit abortion to early pregnancy. In other words, if a Virginia clinic offered abortions in the ninth month, and the doctor was prosecuted under Virginia law, the courts would throw it out under Roe and its successor opinions. Is this true?

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  16. Bob W Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Thanks for this, Bethany.

    I first learned about the on the Ben Shapiro Podcast. The barbarism. here is unbelievable. I hope people will wise up and defeat, at the polls, the people who are behind this sort of thing Words truly fail me, as I contemplate what we have come to, as a culture. It is indeed A Culture of Death, and it has to stop!

    I agree George. FYI – Bill Kristol and his wife donated to Northam over Ed Gillespie because he was too ‘Trumpy’. So for all those babies on the Left’s chopping block, 2020 is their ‘Flight 93’ election.

    Wondering if Mona Charen can tell us how Gov. Larry Hogan and the other N.E. GOP New Hopes feel about this. Anyone think defunding Planned Parenthood is worth “shutting down (15%)” of government? I do!

     

    Were I a Virginian, I would not have given money to Northan. I just don’t do that. Even the most mild Democrat today will be pressured to be a creep, as apparently Northan is. But, in Bill’s defense, I don’t think he would have done it had he known about this bill.

    And bringing Mona into this is silly and petty. She is as against abortion as anyone here. The Mona Hatred never lets up.

    Northam called Trump a “narcissistic sociopath” in one of his campaign ads…after Trump became president. That may have been too much for Kristol to resist. 

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  17. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Democrat recruitment effort:

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  18. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Bob W (View Comment):

    Someone clarify something for me, which came up in another thread. I thought that federal courts override any state attempt to limit abortion to early pregnancy. In other words, if a Virginia clinic offered abortions in the ninth month, and the doctor was prosecuted under Virginia law, the courts would throw it out under Roe and its successor opinions. Is this true?

    A state court would look first at the state law and constitution, then at the federal constitution and any binding precedent in their U.S. Circuit.

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  19. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    Cuomo the Barbarian

    Sigh , if only we had an opposition party here in NY. 

     Part of it stems from the left’s maniacal insistence that we never win one, if that takes killing full term babies , so be it. The Right must never win. 

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  20. Bob W Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):

    Someone clarify something for me, which came up in another thread. I thought that federal courts override any state attempt to limit abortion to early pregnancy. In other words, if a Virginia clinic offered abortions in the ninth month, and the doctor was prosecuted under Virginia law, the courts would throw it out under Roe and its successor opinions. Is this true?

    A state court would look first at the state law and constitution, then at the federal constitution and any binding precedent in their U.S. Circuit.

    I know, but what is the overall state of the law now? Abortion restrictions fall under scrutiny of federal law, and override any state law. Presumably there is now one standard for what level of state restrictions are constitutional and which are not. I had always thought that line was basically nonexistent and any state attempt to restrict abortions based on pregnancy term was overruled. 

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  21. Buckpasser Member
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    I’m not trying to make light here as this is a sickening story.  It is a child at conception and abortion is killing.

     

    These monsters want abortion to be ok until birth, but I don’t know what until birth means to them.  Where is the line.  Let’s say that for a baby the goal line is reaching a point where he has made it at least part way into the world.  In Football you just have to touch the goal line for it to count.  In Hockey you need to fully cross the line for it to count.  So does the left use the Football standard for birth (the top of the head making an appearance in the world) or the Hockey standard for birth (the entire body making an appearance in the world)? 

     

    Either one is too appalling to think about.

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  22. Jules PA Inactive
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    Jim George (View Comment):
    “Virginia Republicans defeated Tuesday a bill loosening abortion restrictions after the sponsor admitted that the legislation would allow the procedure even after the mother went into labor.”

    Going into labor. That’s the red line??

    The problem is the red line is in the wrong place. 

    It is unspeakable. But let them continue to show their true colors. Maybe this evil reveal will spur citizens who have a shred of righteousness within their soul… 

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  23. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Bob W (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):

    Someone clarify something for me, which came up in another thread. I thought that federal courts override any state attempt to limit abortion to early pregnancy. In other words, if a Virginia clinic offered abortions in the ninth month, and the doctor was prosecuted under Virginia law, the courts would throw it out under Roe and its successor opinions. Is this true?

    A state court would look first at the state law and constitution, then at the federal constitution and any binding precedent in their U.S. Circuit.

    I know, but what is the overall state of the law now? Abortion restrictions fall under scrutiny of federal law, and override any state law. Presumably there is now one standard for what level of state restrictions are constitutional and which are not. I had always thought that line was basically nonexistent and any state attempt to restrict abortions based on pregnancy term was overruled.

    I claim no legal expertise on this. As best I can read, the issues are very much alive in the U.S. Circuit courts. The 5th Circuit just affirmed the states’ right to take “the health of the mother” seriously and regulate abortion facilities under basic medical facility standards of safety and care. Arguments about fetal pain, with science backing them up, may prevail in the current and near future U.S. Supreme Court.

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  24. Bob W Member
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    thelonious (View Comment):

    Interesting there were no doctors at the hearing for a law that would significantly change how they can do their jobs. All too busy seeing patients? Golly Gee are they that dedicated to their profession or too embarrassed to attend this abortion of a hearing. The ladies presenting the bill didn’t even have the foresight to research the medical conditions they knew would probably be asked. Watching this I was both horrified and embarrassed for these bozos.

    Northam was a pediatrician in his medical career.

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  25. Unsk Member
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    Max nailed it.

    This law is without a doubt an wanton affront to the Constitution and seriously unconstitutional. But it also shows the utter contempt the Democrats have for human life, our American Republic, our Constitutional rights and our American Way of Life.  It is also just another attack on the foundations of our Rule of Law and the idea of Equal Protection – Progressives really want “Social Justice” where the political and religious status of the accused is more important to achieving a  verdict than the evidence. You can be sure this law, like many under Mueller and other  Progressive prosecutors,  will be prosecuted with a biased politically motivated approach to achieve Social Justice. 

    Because the Progressives have brainwashed so many of our young into believing their Marxist/Fascist dreams, they believe they have now sufficient political powers and  voters  to begin to grant  dictatorial powers to the protected bureaucracies and elected Progressives without hiding their true intentions. We the People are to become,  if we are not careful,  We the Serfs legally beholden to our noble elites like in the days of old.  If this law is left to stand, it is only a hop, skip and a jump to “aborting” those who commit crimes like “Hate Speech” and other politically incorrect sins against the Progressive State. 

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  26. Sabrdance Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):

    Someone clarify something for me, which came up in another thread. I thought that federal courts override any state attempt to limit abortion to early pregnancy. In other words, if a Virginia clinic offered abortions in the ninth month, and the doctor was prosecuted under Virginia law, the courts would throw it out under Roe and its successor opinions. Is this true?

    A state court would look first at the state law and constitution, then at the federal constitution and any binding precedent in their U.S. Circuit.

    I know, but what is the overall state of the law now? Abortion restrictions fall under scrutiny of federal law, and override any state law. Presumably there is now one standard for what level of state restrictions are constitutional and which are not. I had always thought that line was basically nonexistent and any state attempt to restrict abortions based on pregnancy term was overruled.

    I claim no legal expertise on this. As best I can read, the issues are very much alive in the U.S. Circuit courts. The 5th Circuit just affirmed the states’ right to take “the health of the mother” seriously and regulate abortion facilities under basic medical facility standards of safety and care. Arguments about fetal pain, with science backing them up, may prevail in the current and near future U.S. Supreme Court.

    Technically -though the court didn’t admit it -Roe was overturned in Casey, and modified in Carhart II.  The gist of it is that the state can demonstrate that some regulations don’t infringe on the due process rights of women, and that banning late term abortions, or particular procedures, did not necessarily create an undue burden (the Casey test).  State has to demonstrate this, but it can be done -it’s not a hypothetical.

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  27. Nerina Bellinger Inactive
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    And my bishop, Joseph Strickland, is a bishop who leads and tells it as it is.

    @scottwilmot, thank goodness for bishops like Bishop Strickland!

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  28. Brian Watt Inactive
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    The Virginia governor is upset apparently…

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  29. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Obianuju Ekeocha is one of the strongest advocates for the Culture of Life. If you are on twitter, follow her.

    I wonder if there is a disparate impact civil rights case to be made against New York? Planned Parenthood? Racially targeted population control?

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  30. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    What’s important to note is that the VA governor cites cases of extreme fetal deformity….

    While I understand that this is beside the point, if the child was deformed… is the child no longer human? 

    I do not understand the pro-choice rationalizations on this at all. 

     

     

     

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