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  1. Jdetente Member
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin Doesn’t C… (View Comment):

    People just need to avoid the temptation to respond to him.

    Meh, ‘boomer’ conservatives may be clueless about certain things compared to younger conservatives (for example, how many saw this coming before it was too late?), but the younger generations are much less conservative overall, so I don’t think we have any particular room to criticize.

    I resemble that comment! Definitely not a conservative but rather an ant-leftist. Voting Republican for me has been a simple exercise in pragmatism.  

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  2. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Jdetente (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin Doesn’t C… (View Comment):

    People just need to avoid the temptation to respond to him.

    Meh, ‘boomer’ conservatives may be clueless about certain things compared to younger conservatives (for example, how many saw this coming before it was too late?), but the younger generations are much less conservative overall, so I don’t think we have any particular room to criticize.

    I resemble that comment! Definitely not a conservative but rather an ant-leftist. Voting Republican for me has been a simple exercise in pragmatism.

    Fair enough , but its that increasing lack of conservatism in the younger generations that empowered our common enemies and got us to where we are today (and to be sure, the Boomers deserve blame for raising the Millennials, and my generation deserves blame for raising Generation Tide Pod).

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  3. Joshua Bissey Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    Says the guy who was “anti” Republicans keeping the House.

    Amusing. (Hope you enjoyed your faux impeachment.)

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  4. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I note that a couple of people have chastised me for not responding to them. Three hours ago I took my leave writing in Comment #323:

    We have long ago left the purpose and theme of this post and have degenerated into “Anti-Anti-Trump” and “Orange Man Bad Bad.” It is time for me to take my leave.

    A cursory glance at the last 24 comments reaffirm that I made the right decision.

    Nice try.  You ignored arguments and points being made loooooonnnng before your curtain call.

    Which is your typical style.

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  5. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    JFK is on the outskirts of the group because he just dropped in to see how the party was going, but he’s got to get back to the room where the girls are waiting.

    He’s catching a flight to Dallas.

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    YOu know,

    THe current Democrat party should hate that picture of the Democrats more than we do. Lots of bad white guys in it

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  7. Jdetente Member
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    The respondents here are definitely not Ricochet members…

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  8. Miffed White Male Member
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    Jdetente (View Comment):

    The respondents here are definitely not Ricochet members…

    I’ll bite.  What’s a “boomercon”?

     

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  9. Jdetente Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    The respondents here are definitely not Ricochet members…

    I’ll bite. What’s a “boomercon”?

    Boomer Conservatives who are Bulwark types, National Review types, and/or Dispatch types…

    Tongue in cheek from my perspective.

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  10. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Jdetente (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    The respondents here are definitely not Ricochet members…

    I’ll bite. What’s a “boomercon”?

    Boomer Conservatives who are Bulwark types, National Review types, and/or Dispatch types…

    Tongue in cheek from my perspective.

    Perhaps what I used to call “9/11 Conservatives.” Liberals who ran to the right when the country was attacked, and have gradually drifted back to the left ever since.

    Upon refection, their rightward shift may simply have been an acknowledgement that that’s where the public was at, and they needed to shift their own rhetoric if they wanted to continue to grift. Plus, of course, war profiteering.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    I stepped away from this post at comment #323 after the comments had degenerated.  Two days ago I wrote at comment #348:

    “I note that a couple of people have chastised me for not responding to them. Three hours ago I took my leave writing in Comment #323: 

    “‘We have long ago left the purpose and theme of this post and have degenerated into “Anti-Anti-Trump” and “Orange Man Bad Bad.” It is time for me to take my leave.’

    “A cursory glance at the last 24 comments reaffirm that I made the right decision.”

    A cursory glance at the last 48 hours of comments reaffirm that I made the right decision both at comments ##323 and 348.  But feel free to keep speaking among yourselves.

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  12. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I stepped away from this post at comment #323 after the comments had degenerated. Two days ago I wrote at comment #348:

    “I note that a couple of people have chastised me for not responding to them. Three hours ago I took my leave writing in Comment #323:

    “‘We have long ago left the purpose and theme of this post and have degenerated into “Anti-Anti-Trump” and “Orange Man Bad Bad.” It is time for me to take my leave.’

    “A cursory glance at the last 24 comments reaffirm that I made the right decision.”

    A cursory glance at the last 48 hours of comments reaffirm that I made the right decision both at comments ##323 and 348. But feel free to keep speaking among yourselves.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care
    @DrewInWisconsin

    How can you keep claiming you’ve stepped away if you keep stepping back. Is that sort of like claiming you quit smoking every time you crush out another stub in the ashtray?

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  14. Franco Member
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    @Franco

    Comment from another thread referring to this one:

    http://ricochet.com/769422/five-years-ago-june-16-2015/comment-page-4/#comment-4820824

     

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  15. Steve C. Member
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    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… (View Comment):

    How can you keep claiming you’ve stepped away if you keep stepping back. Is that sort of like claiming you quit smoking every time you crush out another stub in the ashtray?

    Hey, quitting smoking is easy. I’ve done it dozens of times.

     

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  16. Annefy Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I stepped away from this post at comment #323 after the comments had degenerated. Two days ago I wrote at comment #348:

    “I note that a couple of people have chastised me for not responding to them. Three hours ago I took my leave writing in Comment #323:

    “‘We have long ago left the purpose and theme of this post and have degenerated into “Anti-Anti-Trump” and “Orange Man Bad Bad.” It is time for me to take my leave.’

    “A cursory glance at the last 24 comments reaffirm that I made the right decision.”

    A cursory glance at the last 48 hours of comments reaffirm that I made the right decision both at comments ##323 and 348. But feel free to keep speaking among yourselves.

    @garyrobbins, you are not dealing with the fact that you, as per usual, were ignoring and not responding to comments long before you stepped away the first time. And even most of your responses are non responses. If I’m being generous, I would label them as attempts at deflection.

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  17. Pagodan Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    What you call “blasphemy” is what actually happened. The painting is titled “The Impeachment Mob”. And Mitt Romney sided with the Democrats on that.

    Romney will be seen as a saint who is worthy of a profile in courage. Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude. I think that McCain would have along with Jeff Flake, a former Arizona Senator. With McCain’s additional vote, perhaps we would have had witnesses, and would have also gotten votes from Collins, Murkowski and Alexander. Oh, well.

     

    I don’t know how Flake would have voted for impeachment, since his ass got drummed out of the Senate well before the house ever took impeachment up. 

     

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  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    How many people in Gary’s pick nominated judges who turned out to be traitors?

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  19. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    As Gary argues, black lives matter. But Black Lives Matter?

    Fighting Marxism is what got Ronald Reagan into politics. Fighting Marxists who were undercover as something else. Reagan may have been fooled by false branding at first, but he didn’t stay fooled.

     

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  20. Architectus Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat.  But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works.  Don’t you believe in personal reformation?  ;-)

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    Architectus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat. But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works. Don’t you believe in personal reformation? ;-)

    For that matter, Reagan was a Democrat too, early on.

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  22. Annefy Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat. But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works. Don’t you believe in personal reformation? ;-)

    For that matter, Reagan was a Democrat too, early on.

    At a certain age, I don’t hold much truck in D vs R. My parents were both life-long democrats but were very conservative in their beliefs and values. Were they have ever been in a position of power, I am sure they would have ruled conservatively. They sure did with their five kids …

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat. But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works. Don’t you believe in personal reformation? ;-)

    For that matter, Reagan was a Democrat too, early on.

    At a certain age, I don’t hold much truck in D vs R. My parents were both life-long democrats but were very conservative in their beliefs and values. Were they have ever been in a position of power, I am sure they would have ruled conservatively. They sure did with their five kids …

    But if “Conservative Democrats” (if such even exist now) still vote for Democrats NOW, they’re definitely not supporting anything conservative.

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  24. Annefy Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat. But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works. Don’t you believe in personal reformation? ;-)

    For that matter, Reagan was a Democrat too, early on.

    At a certain age, I don’t hold much truck in D vs R. My parents were both life-long democrats but were very conservative in their beliefs and values. Were they have ever been in a position of power, I am sure they would have ruled conservatively. They sure did with their five kids …

    But if “Conservative Democrats” (if such even exist now) still vote for Democrats NOW, they’re definitely not supporting anything conservative.

    Agreed. 

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  25. Instugator Thatcher
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    Architectus (View Comment):
    But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works.

    Unlike the current BLM folks.

    Redemption and second chances are what let nations heal after severe conflict, either external or internal. Think the Marshall Plan after WW2 or even the process to return states to the Union after the Civil War.

    More recently, you can point to the Truth and Reconciliation commissions in South Africa following Apartheid.

    Today, however, due to our feckless leaders, we are learning that those attempts at reconciliation come with an expiration date.

    That is a bad thing.

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  26. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):
    But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works.

    Unlike the current BLM folks.

    Redemption and second chances are what let nations heal after severe conflict, either external or internal. Think the Marshall Plan after WW2 or even the process to return states to the Union after the Civil War.

    More recently, you can point to the Truth and Reconciliation commissions in South Africa following Apartheid.

    Today, however, due to our feckless leaders, we are learning that those attempts at reconciliation come with an expiration date.

    That is a bad thing.

    Goes to the modern technology and the current massive availability of alternative news options while still attempting to claim it’s the 1930s through the early 1990s, where news options were narrowed by technology. We’re back to the pre-broadcast era of multiple newspapers in a community, all with their own political slant, and where customers came to them knowing that was the case. But in 2020, we’ve got big newspapers and the TV networks claiming to still be seeking the widest audiences possible, but which are actually now niche outlets that target their content to try and attract a hardcore following of upper middle class urban progressives with disposable income, because that’s how they see themselves (or at least, that’s how they aspire to see themselves, even as they pretend they’re at the barricades with the proletariat).

    They like to say Fox News started it, but Fox still splits their coverage into the morning show and the three hours of prime time that caters to the right, then everything else. The other news outlets — as the Times’ Tom Cotton freak-out, NBC’s effort to cancel The Federalist, and the WaPo’s Halloween Party purge showed — want no diversity of opinion at their sites or elsewhere, but still want the public to believe they’re covering the spectrum of acceptable opinion. You can’t help but get demonization, because they’re catering to people who want demonization.

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  27. Franco Member
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    Architectus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat. But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works. Don’t you believe in personal reformation? ;-)

    Except he endorsed McCain and Romney. His donations to Republicans far exceeded what he gave to Democrats. He fought Democrat Mayor Koch. Sure he paid off Democrats in order to do business in NYC and Vegas, but ideologically he’s always leaned right. Capitalism, individual freedom…

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat. But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works. Don’t you believe in personal reformation? ;-)

    Except he endorsed McCain and Romney. His donations to Republicans far exceeded what he gave to Democrats. He fought Democrat Mayor Koch. Sure he paid off Democrats in order to do business in NYC and Vegas, but ideologically he’s always leaned right. Capitalism, individual freedom…

    Well, I could easily see endorsing McCain and Romney as being negatives, but I see the point.

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  29. TBA Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that there is a lineage of “Anti-Popes.” Can Trump be called an “Anti-Republican” or “Anti-President”? Asking for a friend.

    To be fair, Trump was a lifelong Democrat. But I believe in redemption and second chances, and he is doing his best through both faith and works. Don’t you believe in personal reformation? ;-)

    Except he endorsed McCain and Romney. His donations to Republicans far exceeded what he gave to Democrats. He fought Democrat Mayor Koch. Sure he paid off Democrats in order to do business in NYC and Vegas, but ideologically he’s always leaned right. Capitalism, individual freedom…

    Well, I could easily see endorsing McCain and Romney as being negatives, but I see the point.

    ~snort~

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    John McCain thought he was a statesman. But he regularly ignored us

    Marianne Jennings, opinion contributor Published 6:23 a.m. MT Sept. 7, 2018 | Updated 6:26 a.m. MT Sept. 7, 2018

    Opinion: John McCain delighted in embracing the other side in defiance of those he represented. Maverick was his label, but duplicity was his specialty.

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    The flag-draped casket bearing John McCain is prepared to leave the National Cathedral in Washington on Sept. 1, 2018. (Photo: Jasper Colt, USAT)

     

    “Never speak ill of the dead” echoed in the mind of a minister, charged with conducting an infamously wretched man’s funeral. Unable to offer any kind words, he asked the few in attendance to offer some thoughts.

    A man in the back rose and said, “His brother was much worse.”

    Sullen and mute are the apt adjectives for many Arizonans during the week of U.S. Sen. John McCain’s funerals. When the media are your constituency, you get the Princess Diana treatment. Manners and respect for the military and the dead found us biting our tongues.

     

    They used the funeral to slam Trump

    However, by service No. 3 or 4, two former presidents and a petulant McCain daughter crossed a line. The three used a funeral service to slam our current president.

    Senator McCain, through the conduct of those chosen to speak at his funerals and the insulting language and parting shots in his final book of pettiness, gave up the shield of “speak no ill.”

    Many of us have the same difficulty with Wrong-Way McCain (a moniker for his votes and his record as a pilot) that the late John Lennon presents. Lennon lectured us “to give peace a chance” but could not get along with the three lads who took him to fame, fortune and Yoko Ono

    Senator McCain lectured us on the importance of reaching across the aisle. Yet, McCain rarely put a hand out on our side of the aisle.

     

    McCain routinely betrayed the GOP

    Senator McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts and was among the fiercest of President Bush’s critics. He had his kindest words for his opponent in his failed presidential bid — President Obama.

    McCain-Feingold campaign limitations were an affront to the First Amendment, something the U.S. Supreme Court found in striking down portions of it. He was on the other side of the aisle on immigration reform and ignored letters, calls and pleas for help.

    With the Gang of Eight, he thumbed his nose at voters in this border state.

    His list of other legislation co-sponsored with Democrats is long, but not distinguished. A senator from Arizona sponsoring gun control legislation?

    In his last re-election campaign, he duped us on repealing Obamacare. Without prior disclosure, he gleefully gave a thumbs down on the Senate floor, tanking repeal in a blatant betrayal.

     

    [continued]

     

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