When Will This Fad End?

 

This topic has been bouncing around my head for a while, but I’ve never gotten around to writing it. Someone on Ricochet will mention something, Jay Nordlinger months ago on a podcast complained about tattoos or a user whose name I forget recently said he was up for a good tattoo rant. Other times I see someone and think why?

I noticed markings on Dana Loesch’s arm in a Parkland CNN screenshot or a cross on a pastor’s back at a church swim party. Tattoos seem to be everywhere and there is no demographic that is exempt. This will come across as a get-off-my-lawn rant, but here we go.

I guess I’m a Generation X person. I still remember that about the only people who had tattoos were military veterans or criminals and they might only have one or two, no sleeves or multiple ones covering a lot of the body. Others might have had them, but they were in a private location. Maybe it was just where I grew up.

Some point along the way, tattoos became more mainstream. In the ’90s a lot of girls were getting lower back tattoos, but they were derided as “tramp stamps”. Then it seemed as though they exploded on the scene and everyone had one. Yes it’s me, but I have yet to see a tattoo that improves a woman’s appearance. As G. Gordon Liddy used to say, putting a tattoo on a woman is like putting a bumper sticker on a BMW. I will be glad when I don’t see ink everywhere I look.

Maybe things are changing. I saw this on Twitter. I don’t know what drove it, but we might be on the downward side of the trend. I can hope.

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  1. PHenry Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    “Just” as likely? Really?

    The people who I consider the most immoral and unscrupulous wear a suit and tie every day.

    Barack Obama?  James Comey?   Bernie Madoff?  Bill Clinton?   all suits. 

    On some level, a suit just says ‘pay no attention to the man behind the curtain’. 

     

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  2. Miffed White Male Member
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    They call me PJ Boy or they ca… (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    As I said, we all have first impressions. The wise man knows that the dude in a suit and tie is just as likely to be a creep as the one in a tank top and shorts.

    “Just” as likely? Really?

    How about the dude in the suit may also be a creep? But just as likely. No sir, not in the known universe.

    It’s also true that the guy in tank top and shorts may be a wonderful human being.  Heck, they might both be on their way to a costume party.  But again, not “just as likely”.

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  3. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    I call shenanigans.

    If you see two people walking down the street, one wearing a suit and tie and carrying a briefcase, and the other wearing gym shorts, a wifebeater t-shirt, a baseball cap sideways and carrying a 40 oz bottle of malt liquor, you’re not going to make a snap judgement of the one over the other?

    If true, you’re a better man than I am.

     

    As I said, we all have first impressions. The wise man knows that the dude in a suit and tie is just as likely to be a creep as the one in a tank top and shorts.

    A wise man also knows that first impressions matter, and casually dismissing those who are put off by your “edginess” might make you feel superior, but it won’t make your life any easier.

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  4. Front Seat Cat Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Gen X is what age group? My niece is covered with them – a trend that went off the charts. I saw a young woman with a large chest wearing a very low cut top who had tattooed eyes looking down at them – really??! It was not attractive. I remember a couple women – one a restaurant server who had pentagrams tattooed on the arms, and one I worked with in a professional setting – eewww – but I’ll take the tats over all the hideous piercings….

    We had a server a few weeks ago who had so many piercings I couldn’t look at her because it made me queasy.

    Nothing like serving food with rings in your nose and tongue – I never went back to the restaurant after that either – 

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  5. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    PHenry (View Comment):
    On some level, a suit just says ‘pay no attention to the man behind the curtain’. 

    Maybe for you. To me, a suit says “I am an adult doing something serious and should be treated as such.”  The inner city uniform of sagging jeans, over sized t-shirts, and do rags, or the hippy one of long unwashed hair, tie dye, and ragged jeans, or the 20 something one of painted on jeans, tattoos, piercings, gages, and blue, green, or purple hair say “I reject your bourgeois norms and morality.”

    Fine. That’s your choice. But if you’re going to reject me and my lifestyle, don’t be surprised when I reject you and yours. 

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  6. PHenry Inactive
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):
    Fine. That’s your choice. But if you’re going to reject me and my lifestyle, don’t be surprised when I reject you and yours. 

    I’m not saying I reject the man in the suit on first impression.. I wear suits myself.   I’m just saying that those who really pose a treat to my freedom and well being wear suits, not saggy drawers.

    I’m against snap judgement of anyone based on such fleeting impressions.  Be they poorly or very well dressed.   

     

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  7. Painter Jean Moderator
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    PHenry (View Comment):

     

    I do not judge anyone to be ‘extremely low class’ based on any first impressions or cultural differences. And cultural differences are exactly what we are discussing.

    I don’t like sagging pants. I also don’t assume that that person is unworthy of respect and extremely low class, and I don’t see the common sense in judging that harshly over something so superficial.

    None of us can help having first impressions. It seems to me that a wise man would not allow those impressions to lead him to disregard a person over something so trivial.

    How one chooses to present themselves is not trivial, because we live in an affluent society. For the vast majority of Americans, what we wear and what we do with our bodies (tattoos, piercings) are not driven by economic necessity but reflect choices that we make. If I see someone with lots of tattoos and piercings, he or she has just told me something about themselves. That’s just reality.

     

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  8. Painter Jean Moderator
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    I call shenanigans.

    If you see two people walking down the street, one wearing a suit and tie and carrying a briefcase, and the other wearing gym shorts, a wifebeater t-shirt, a baseball cap sideways and carrying a 40 oz bottle of malt liquor, you’re not going to make a snap judgement of the one over the other?

    If true, you’re a better man than I am.

     

    As I said, we all have first impressions. The wise man knows that the dude in a suit and tie is just as likely to be a creep as the one in a tank top and shorts.

    Nope. Not buying that for a second.

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  9. thelonious Member
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    I view all the tattoos, piercings and weird baby names as a superficial way for people to stand out.  I think 50 years ago people aspired to stand out due to what they were doing and accomplished not what their crazy name was or how they looked.

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  10. Mitchell Messom Inactive
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    They call me PJ Boy or they ca… (View Comment):

    Mitchell Messom (View Comment):

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    Mitchell Messom (View Comment):

    …give it 20 years I bet it will be a non issue.

    Except most people want a good paying job today, not 20 years from today. Just sayen’ dude.

    Hasn’t held me back. But then again I work for people who hire for what I do not how I look. I mean I did work where I had to wear a suit all the time. So kind of a none issue. Its fun when you meet outside of the office.

    Reminds me of my US Marine buddy (both LT’s at the time) who came to the USMC Birthday Ball on his Harley (loud pipes – go figure) with a full out biker babe. Some of the elderly wives who saw the happy couple arrive did not stare approvingly.

    I was a corporal, so whateves, they could care less what we plastered on our selves . 

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  11. PHenry Inactive
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    he or she has just told me something about themselves.

    What, exactly, has he or she told you about themselves that makes you think they are no longer worthy of respect?  This is what I am somewhat astonished at, this idea that ‘I wouldn’t do that, I don’t think it’s attractive’ translates to ‘you are beneath me, low class, and not worthy of my respect’. 

    Can you really judge a book by its cover?  How about a man? 

     

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  12. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    “Just” as likely? Really?

    The people who I consider the most immoral and unscrupulous wear a suit and tie every day.

    Barack Obama? James Comey? Bernie Madoff? Bill Clinton? all suits.

    On some level, a suit just says ‘pay no attention to the man behind the curtain’.

    Man, you really are a hippie! ; )

    Image result for Don't trust anyone over 30

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  13. Hank Rhody, Total Rip-off Contributor
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Image result for Don't trust anyone over 30

    Funny; never much agreed with that slogan when I was under 30, why do I find myself in sympathy now?

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  14. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    PHenry (View Comment):
    I’m against snap judgement of anyone based on such fleeting impressions.

    You may be against snap judgments, in theory, but there are times it is unavoidable. The whole notion of snap judgments is that you aren’t given time to process. You must make your evaluation quickly.

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  15. Kozak Member
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    PHenry (View Comment):
    But for the average Joe, who really wants a tat, cost is not a major obstacle.

    But what isn’t being bought or saved with that car payment sized chunk of change? That’s what I’m getting at. The cost isn’t an obstacle, no, but the repeated decision to spend the money on something completely gratuitous instead of something useful (and yes, I include designer handbags and non – work three figure shoes in the list of gratuitous purchases) is suggestive of YOLO mindset that isn’t thinking about tomorrow, much less the day after one dies.

    I constantly see people in the ER with dental issues who “can’t afford a dentist”, or who “can’t afford their medicine” (4 dollars at Walmart), etc etc with fresh tats, who smoke, drink and “smoke a little weed” while texting  on their smart phone.

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  16. Kozak Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Mitchell Messom (View Comment):

    Also of note its odd to complain about tattoos when one considers the amount of male circumcision in US. That’s a rather permanent change and one that lacks consent. One could say that’s rather “primitive”.

    Since it helps with hygiene, circumcision is a practical medical decision. Hardly primitive.

    Plus, I don’t recall ever seeing a circumcised penis displayed in public.

    You’ve never met Bill Clinton…

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  17. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    What, exactly, has he or she told you about themselves that makes you think they are no longer worthy of respect? This is what I am somewhat astonished at, this idea that ‘I wouldn’t do that, I don’t think it’s attractive’ translates to ‘you are beneath me, low class, and not worthy of my respect’. 

     

    He or she is telling me that he or she is a person who makes decisions with permanent consequences often with minimal forethought for the purpose of drawing the shallowest form of attention to his or herself at best, to say nothing of the ones who fit Amy’s description:

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    The inner city uniform of sagging jeans, over sized t-shirts, and do rags, or the hippy one of long unwashed hair, tie dye, and ragged jeans, or the 20 something one of painted on jeans, tattoos, piercings, gages, and blue, green, or purple hair say “I reject your bourgeois norms and morality.”

     

     

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  18. PHenry Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    PHenry (View Comment):
    I’m against snap judgement of anyone based on such fleeting impressions.

    You may be against snap judgments, in theory, but there are times it is unavoidable. The whole notion of snap judgments is that you aren’t given time to process. You must make your evaluation quickly.

    Sure, if all you have is a first impression, and you have to act on just that, you gotta make a judgement.  I just suspect that many here would make a wrong headed snap judgement because one guy has a custom suit and the other is wearing sweats and has a tattoo. 

    I guess I have become a bit jaded.  I have worked with many people who have high degrees and impeccable dress, yet don’t know the first thing about doing the job at hand, and many more who are just blue collar sweat of the brow types who are the keystone to the project. 

    When the chips are down, give me the blue collar type every time. 

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  19. Hugh Inactive
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    It was a lot easier a half-century ago to annoy your parents or make a statement about declaring your independence from mainstream society — grow your hair long and wear old beaten-up clothes. Boom, you’re edgy, and you’ve managed to annoy your parents and/or your teachers and/or anyone else that was part of mainstream society who didn’t see some way of pandering to the alternative lifestyle types in order to eventually either sell them something or harness them as a group for political needs. But if someone wanted to drop back into society, it was just a matter of better clothes and a haircut (and in some cases, more regular bathing).

    Kids 20-30 years down the line didn’t have such easily reversible options. Ripped clothes and long hair weren’t going to irk mom and dad or their teachers, because they had either done it themselves or grown up around it. So the result was to push the envelope to tattoos, followed by ear studs, eyebrow studs, cheek studs, tongue studs, earlobe hoops, nipple rings, and even some other body parts really unsuited for metal piercings. All designed to catch older people’s attention and make a statement. I don’t think the fad for those is waning any time soon, but the leading edge of the first generation of tattoo obsessives are closing in on the big 4-0, and even if they are still happy with what they did with their permanent markings, millennials 20 years younger might be looking at some of those aging people and their aging tattoos and deciding if they have them, you’re not really making a statement about being edgy or independent if you get some yourself.

    Maybe once this fad fades away with the next generation the new fad will be getting a job and settling into a life filled with responsibilities.  The Horror!!!

    I feel so sorry for their parents.

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  20. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    PHenry (View Comment):
    I’m against snap judgement of anyone based on such fleeting impressions.

    You may be against snap judgments, in theory, but there are times it is unavoidable. The whole notion of snap judgments is that you aren’t given time to process. You must make your evaluation quickly.

    Sure, if all you have is a first impression, and you have to act on just that, you gotta make a judgement. I just suspect that many here would make a wrong headed snap judgement because one guy has a custom suit and the other is wearing sweats and has a tattoo.

    I guess I have become a bit jaded. I have worked with many people who have high degrees and impeccable dress, yet don’t know the first thing about doing the job at hand, and many more who are just blue collar sweat of the brow types who are the keystone to the project.

    When the chips are down, give me the blue collar type every time.

    Where I come from “blue collar types” wear jeans, boots, and t-shirts at worst. Their pants fit, some of them might have a small tattoo on one shoulder, but not full sleeves, and none of them will have random bits of metal hanging out of any orifice.

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  21. Hugh Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

     

    My problem with tattoos is that they’re so permanent. I can’t think of anything I’d want on my body like that forever.

     

    Exactly!

    I have a daughter who is an artist.  I see her sitting in the window with a pad of paper trying to get a drawings exactly right.  She goes through page after page until she has the hands “just right” or the lighting “just right”  or the eyes “just right”.  Then when I ask to see it she says its garbage and throws it away and tries again.

    She doesn’t have a tattoo and says she never will.

    When you paint graffiti on a wall you can always paint over the wall. When you write on a page you can turn the page to a clean sheet and start again.

    Tattoos have a place when they are delivering a message (armed forces for example).  

    Skin is not a canvas.

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    RightAngles (View Comment):

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    And sometimes a tattoo can announce that we are an idiot.

    Image result for vegan face tattoo

    At that one my hind brain does not say “just, no.” It says “run away!” It is the words that elevate that tattoo from Amber to Flashing Red. Vegans are bat[CoC] crazy.

    The nose ring bothers me more than the tattoo does. I suppose the nose ring can be taken out, and is therefore not permanent. But still: the tattoo is weird, the nose ring is downright ugly. Why do pretty women do this to themselves?

    When I see a nose ring, I can’t help imagining a horrible mishap when removing a turtleneck sweater.

    You are definitely at a disadvantage in a bar room fight.

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  23. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    Umbra of Nex, Fractus (View Comment):
    Where I come from “blue collar types” wear jeans, boots, and t-shirts at worst. Their pants fit, some of them might have a small tattoo on one shoulder, but not full sleeves, and none of them will have random bits of metal hanging out of any orifice.

    Same here. Especially when it comes to piercings, studs, and gauges as those are a real safety hazard.

    Blue collar and white underclass are not synonyms. 

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  24. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Umbra of Nex, Fractus (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    I am going to go out the way I came in.

    Naked and screaming? ;-)

    No, indiscriminately leaking out of both ends.

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  25. Hank Rhody, Total Rip-off Contributor
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Umbra of Nex, Fractus (View Comment):
    Where I come from “blue collar types” wear jeans, boots, and t-shirts at worst. Their pants fit, some of them might have a small tattoo on one shoulder, but not full sleeves, and none of them will have random bits of metal hanging out of any orifice.

    Same here. Especially when it comes to piercings, studs, and gauges as those are a real safety hazard.

    Blue collar and white underclass are not synonyms.

    Not the case up here. I see enough tattoos and piercings.

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  26. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Umbra of Nex, Fractus (View Comment):
    Where I come from “blue collar types” wear jeans, boots, and t-shirts at worst. Their pants fit, some of them might have a small tattoo on one shoulder, but not full sleeves, and none of them will have random bits of metal hanging out of any orifice.

    Same here. Especially when it comes to piercings, studs, and gauges as those are a real safety hazard.

    Blue collar and white underclass are not synonyms.

    The sort of people who would wear those things probably think blue collar work is beneath them.

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  27. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    And sometimes a tattoo can announce that we are an idiot.

    Image result for vegan face tattoo

    At that one my hind brain does not say “just, no.” It says “run away!” It is the words that elevate that tattoo from Amber to Flashing Red. Vegans are bat[CoC] crazy.

    The nose ring bothers me more than the tattoo does. I suppose the nose ring can be taken out, and is therefore not permanent. But still: the tattoo is weird, the nose ring is downright ugly. Why do pretty women do this to themselves?

    When I see a nose ring, I can’t help imagining a horrible mishap when removing a turtleneck sweater.

    Thank you for that image.

    DK

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  28. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    Hank Rhody, Total Rip-off (View Comment):

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    Umbra of Nex, Fractus (View Comment):
    Where I come from “blue collar types” wear jeans, boots, and t-shirts at worst. Their pants fit, some of them might have a small tattoo on one shoulder, but not full sleeves, and none of them will have random bits of metal hanging out of any orifice.

    Same here. Especially when it comes to piercings, studs, and gauges as those are a real safety hazard.

    Blue collar and white underclass are not synonyms.

    Not the case up here. I see enough tattoos and piercings.

    Your employer doesn’t require them to be removed during work hours? Wisconsin must have a very well funded employee disability fund. 

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    PHenry (View Comment):
    When the chips are down, give me the blue collar type every time. 

    You should hear what my blue-collar, machinist neighbor says about tats. It is not positive. 

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  30. Miffed White Male Member
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):
    Blue collar and white underclass are not synonyms. 

    Amen.

     

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