Gowdy on Mueller: Let the Man Do His Job!

 

Trey Gowdy is one Congressman whom I greatly admire. He was the 7th Circuit Solicitor and led an office of 25 attorneys and 65 employees before joining Congress. He has been at the forefront of the Congressional investigations and doesn’t mince words when he gives his opinion.

So when people have repeatedly attacked Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his work, Trey Gowdy supports him and suggests we let him do his job. As a result, I ask, why there is so much turmoil around the situation, so much gnashing of teeth? So, I investigated, and I think I know why people are so upset. And frankly, I think Trey Gowdy has the right idea.

Let’s look at the actual facts and some of the assumptions about the investigation:

Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation of Russia. And Rod Rosenstein didn’t think the Justice Department should handle the investigation. We can debate Sessions’ recusal and Rosenstein’s delegation another time. But if you’re going to be angry, be angry at those two men.

Assumption #1: We didn’t need a Special Counsel. That may be true, but Robert Mueller didn’t ask for the job, as far as I know.

Assumption #2: Almost all of Mueller’s law team were Hillary partisans and donors. That’s not true. After that news came out, that information was corrected. There were three consequential donors. Of the remainder of the team, some were Democrats, or Republicans, or even donated to both parties.

Assumption #3: Trey Gowdy was ripping apart Mueller’s team. He did — once:

The only conversation I’ve had with Robert Mueller, it was stressing to him, the importance of cutting out the leaks with respect to serious investigations.

So, it is kind of ironic that the people charged with investigating the law and executing the law would violate the law. And make no mistake, disclosing grand jury material is a violation of the law. So, as a former prosecutor, I’m disappointed that you and I are having the conversation, but that somebody violated their oath of secrecy. . .

Mueller’s team leaked the first indictment and Trey Gowdy reprimanded him and cautioned him to stop the leaks. And he also continued to support Mueller.

Assumption #4: The investigation is taking too long. My question is, how long is too long? What is the right amount of time? Don’t you want people who have violated rules or committed crimes to be held accountable?

Assumption#5: There must be no collusion or Mueller would have released that information. This assumption requires some dissecting of the facts. First, the original letter from Deputy AG Rosenstein said nothing about collusion (which is not illegal, by the way). The pertinent section authorized the Special Counsel to investigate—

. . . any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump . . .

That authorization says nothing about collusion or crimes on the part of Trump campaign. One could assume that might have been what was intended, but if the facts don’t support that assumption, there’s no issue. Clearly there was evidence regarding Paul Manafort but not in regard to the Trump campaign. Worse yet, Gowdy thinks that Trump’s own attorneys have inflamed the situation by harping on the collusion scenario with him. And finally, why does anyone think they must not have found collusion or they would have announced it, while the investigation is still in progress? Why not accept that we simply do not know?

Assumption #6: The Special Counsel was given too broad an agenda and because this investigation has gone so long, it must be a fishing expedition. First of all, there was never a deadline set because it would have been impossible to set one. Second, would you really want Mueller to stop his investigation without interviewing everyone connected to this issue? Besides the reports of people who’ve been interviewed, isn’t it possible that other relevant people have been identified and are being interviewed, and these interviews haven’t been publicized?

I’m sure I could come up with many more assumptions that have been made by people who want to defend Trump and the Republican Party and find people to attack and blame, but I hope I’ve made my point: it serves no useful purpose. And let me say that I am as frustrated as many of you by the fact that a Special Counsel was set up, that it will have gone on for nearly a year, that misinformation has been sent out but corrections were not well promoted. And it’s also possible that the misinformation has been spread by the Left and the Right. But this is where we find ourselves: with a tedious investigation that has weighed down the Trump administration, given Trump ample opportunity to rage at several of the related parties, and a chance for the Left to rub its hands gleefully at our anger and discomfort. Isn’t it time that we take a deep breath and follow Trey Gowdy’s advice regarding Robert Mueller:

I would encourage my Republican friends — give the guy a chance to do his job. The result will be known by the facts, by what he uncovers. The personalities involved are much less important to me than the underlying facts. So, I would — I would say give the guy a chance to do his job.

How about it?

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

     

    Thanks for elaborating, @right angles. But here’s where it’s hard for me to agree–

    In my opinion, it’s very remarkable that suddenly in a matter of a few weeks Gowdy reversed his negative opinion of both Mueller and of the investigation. And then suddenly he announces he’s not running for reelection. It stinks to high heaven, and so does the sudden departure of Paul Ryan. I don’t buy either one of their “to be with my family” crap.

    Maybe more information came out that made Gowdy change his mind. There’s no way to know. Also, I completely disagree about Gowdy and Ryan leaving. I think they’re both fed up with the whole environment and putting up with the garbage. If I were them, I’d leave at this point, too.

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  2. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Great. Now wrap it up because Mueller’s job is not to seed the DOJ with fresh cases to investigate. They can handle that on their own.

     

    Trey Gowdy job wasn’t to seed the DOJ with an investigation into Clinton’s email server. Did you have a problem with that?

    A Congressional committee’s work is not comparable to the specific legal authority required for a special counsel.

     

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  3. Ed G. Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Whereas I think the best possible outcome is that if there is nothing there then the people who likely knowingly and willfully put it forward anyway using the resources of the government as political weapons are brought to justice, and the swamp level lowers just a centimeter or two.

    Ah another investigation to suit your political purposes. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    Has nothing to do with my political purposes. First: we actually have some evidence that it happened that way! Second: weaponizing the intelligence and law enforcement resources of the federal government is unlawful, an affront to self government, an affront to civility, and actually a dangerous development. Do you really want to throw that point away just to try to score some debate points on Ricochet? Or do you really not agree with how dangerous and serious such a matter would be and how much sufficient basis we have today for such an investigation?

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  4. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

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    Rather than continuing with it based on a farce, refer all offshoot investigations to DOJ

    We’ve already seem at least one offshoot investigation turned over to the SDNY.

    Great. Now wrap it up, because Mueller’s purpose is not to seed the justice department with fresh cases.

    And the fact that it was referred to SDNY means it has nothing to do with Russian collusion. Just another “oooh, look what we found!”

    And so he handed it off. What’s the problem?

    Because it’s an investigation without appropriate legal basis finding evidence of other possible crimes anywhere it can…a permanent investigation of everything and everyone. “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.”

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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    What means, “when things go wild?” Is that like shooting in the streets?

    You’re the one who used the word “wild.” I think when people get all up in arms about things they can only speculate about, that’s wild. I think the MSM feeds off it, too, and I hate giving them more ammunition.

    Ah, so that’s where that word came from!

    Still, I don’t know why we should try to suppress or discourage wild speculation. The FBI refuses to respond to Congressional subpoenas, or drags its feet in responding to them. In that kind of atmosphere I don’t think it’s proper to ask people to just shut up and wait until they are spoon fed information by the government/media.

    I didn’t intend to sound like that was my suggestion. I just wonder if we couldn’t, as conservatives and republicans, be putting our wild reactions and energies into other things.

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  6. RightAngles Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Thanks for elaborating, @right angles. But here’s where it’s hard for me to agree–

    In my opinion, it’s very remarkable that suddenly in a matter of a few weeks Gowdy reversed his negative opinion of both Mueller and of the investigation. And then suddenly he announces he’s not running for reelection. It stinks to high heaven, and so does the sudden departure of Paul Ryan. I don’t buy either one of their “to be with my family” crap.

    Maybe more information came out that made Gowdy change his mind. There’s no way to know. Also, I completely disagree about Gowdy and Ryan leaving. I think they’re both fed up with the whole environment and putting up with the garbage. If I were them, I’d leave at this point, too.

    Well I wish I could be as trusting as you are, but experience and growing up in Chicagoland when Mayor Daley was still alive (but half the active voters weren’t) have made it otherwise. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. 

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  7. The Reticulator Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    What means, “when things go wild?” Is that like shooting in the streets?

    You’re the one who used the word “wild.” I think when people get all up in arms about things they can only speculate about, that’s wild. I think the MSM feeds off it, too, and I hate giving them more ammunition.

    Ah, so that’s where that word came from!

    Still, I don’t know why we should try to suppress or discourage wild speculation. The FBI refuses to respond to Congressional subpoenas, or drags its feet in responding to them. In that kind of atmosphere I don’t think it’s proper to ask people to just shut up and wait until they are spoon fed information by the government/media.

    I didn’t intend to sound like that was my suggestion. I just wonder if we couldn’t, as conservatives and republicans, be putting our wild reactions and energies into other things.

    We can and should. That doesn’t mean we should put any less energy into this.  

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    The DOJ/FBI (Rosenstein) used Russian collusion as a pretext to start the deep dig into “any matter” and “any Federal crimes” which is much easier to find and given the investigation covers the life and times of Donald Trump I’m sure they will find all sorts of weirdness.

    Fortunately, weirdness is not a crime. At least not yet.

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  9. Ed G. Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

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    Which is why he referred the Cohen case to SDNY.

    Great. Now wrap it up because Mueller’s job is not to seed the DOJ with fresh cases to investigate. They can handle that on their own.

    Trey Gowdy job wasn’t to seed the DOJ with an investigation into Clinton’s email server. Did you have a problem with that?

    See #82 regarding my thoughts on Benghazi. 

    Otherwise, I have no problem with an investigation referring discovered matters to appropriate authorities. I have a problem with an investigation existing at all without sufficient basis and continuing indefinitely without sufficient basis. I also have a problem with unequal application of the law.

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  10. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Whereas I think the best possible outcome is that if there is nothing there then the people who likely knowingly and willfully put it forward anyway using the resources of the government as political weapons are brought to justice, and the swamp level lowers just a centimeter or two.

    Ah another investigation to suit your political purposes. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    Has nothing to do with my political purposes. First: we actually have some evidence that it happened that way! Second: weaponizing the intelligence and law enforcement resources of the federal government is unlawful, an affront to self government, an affront to civility, and actually a dangerous development. Do you really want to throw that point away just to try to score some debate points on Ricochet? Or do you really not agree with how dangerous and serious such a matter would be and how much sufficient basis we have today for such an investigation?

    I see no evidence that the current special counsel investigation is a weaponization of intelligence or law enforcement resources.

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    The job of an investigator is to determine who committed an identified crime. What do you call it when there is no identified crime, and someone is appointed to spend unlimited time and money trying to find (or create) a crime?

    @larry3435, is Russia breaking into our system a crime? If so, regardless of whether we hate this process, that would justify pursuing this investigation, wouldn’t it?

    I would think so — just not a crime committed by the Trump campaign. It is simply implausible (Larry Arnn’s term) that Trump “colluded” (not a crime) with the Russians — a total fabrication to rationalize Hillary’s loss and distract from the DNC’s crimes, corruption, and incompetence (the DNC was hardly “hacked” — Podesta gave up his password (“passw0rd” — you can’t make this shtuff up) via a phishing scam. No respectable hacker would take credit for that.).

    Meanwhile, James Comey richly deserved his firing after that shameful presser where he indicted Hillary with mounds of evidence of corruption (she destroyed subpoenaed evidence, lied before congress, and clearly she sold influence through the Clinton Foundation, since now that she’s powerless it’s basically defunct) and leaking state secrets (whether “intentional” or not) — and then said she would not be indicted. The chief law enforcement investigator presented the case (open and shut for anyone other than the Dems’ presidential nominee) and then admitted he was not going to adhere to the rule of law! That’s when I knew the corruption of our intelligence and DoJ runs deep. The infamous tarmac meeting leading up to Lynch’s recusal was the first giveaway.

    As to Comey and Mueller’s friendship, I remember hearing Mueller was godfather to one of Comey’s daughters (there are four). If true, I’d suggest Comey didn’t just go pick someone off the streets for the role. Interestingly, I can’t find any reference to it on a Google search. You know why? All the top results are about Pence’s lawyer being a godfather to one of Comey’s daughters.

    Also, a link to snope’s declaring that Comey and Mueller are “best” friends is “largely” false. Way to torch that strawman, snopes!

    Yes, Susan, if you aren’t completely cynical about the establishment cartel, I think you’re naive. Respectfully.

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  12. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Jamie, we can all have our assumptions, and even though they make make a ass of you and me, I think we need to have some assumptions to evaluate a situation like this.  My assumption is not so much that Mueller is particularly hell bent on “getting Trump,” but rather that every special prosecutor is hell bent on “getting someone.”  This is an opinion I formed long before Mueller, but it seems that it has turned out to be true of every past special prosecutor.  Look at the Patrick Fitzgerald appointment.  He was supposedly given the charge to find out who had “outed” Valerie Plame.  He knew the answer to that question from the first day of his appointment – Richard Armitage did it.  Despite that, he “investigated” for months, until he tripped up Scooter Libby to make a very innocent mistake about a conversation he had with Tim Russert.  Then, BINGO, charge him with lying to the FBI.  That is the very model of the special prosecutor.  Find nothing on the original charge, but as you trample around you churn up a process crime.  It’s appalling.  Don’t you think it’s appalling?

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  13. Ed G. Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Take the personal barbs offline.

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    ….

    Rather than continuing with it based on a farce, refer all offshoot investigations to DOJ

    We’ve already seem at least one offshoot investigation turned over to the SDNY.

    Great. Now wrap it up, because Mueller’s purpose is not to seed the justice department with fresh cases.

    And the fact that it was referred to SDNY means it has nothing to do with Russian collusion. Just another “oooh, look what we found!”

    And so he handed it off. What’s the problem?

    Crimes shouldn’t be investigated unless they are discovered in an appropriate way. What is the appropriate way you ask? A way that doesn’t damage my tribe in any way.

    [redacted]

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  14. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Agreed Susan. Too much speculation being compounded there. It’s ok to speculate some, but it’s dangerous to use it as an assumption on which to base other reasoning which needs to be more solid.

    Thank you, @edg. I’d suggest that there other areas where facts are mixed with speculation, so it’s hard to get to the truth. That bothers me a great deal.

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  15. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    The DOJ/FBI (Rosenstein) used Russian collusion as a pretext to start the deep dig into “any matter” and “any Federal crimes” which is much easier to find and given the investigation covers the life and times of Donald Trump I’m sure they will find all sorts of weirdness.

    Fortunately, weirdness is not a crime. At least not yet.

    No, but if the culture warriors have their way, calling it weird soon will be. ;-)

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  16. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    As to Comey and Mueller’s friendship, I remember hearing Mueller was godfather to one of Comey’s daughters (there are four). If true, I’d suggest Comey didn’t just go pick someone off the streets for the role. Interestingly, I can’t find any reference to it on a Google search. You know why? All the top results are about Pence’s lawyer being a godfather to one of Comey’s daughters.

     

    Comey didn’t appoint Mueller. Rosenstein did.

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  17. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    No. Mueller’s job is to act lawfully. According to Andrew McCarthy, there was no predicate crime as required by the independent counsel statute.

    I must admit that this part is disturbing to me. If a crime was required, it throws the whole thing out the window.

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  18. Unsk Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Name calling, personal attacks, etc. You can make your point in other ways.

    Susan, I can’t believe you have fallen for this “let him do his job” nonsense.

    You have essentially endorsed an authoritarian gestapo like approach to justice and the prosecution of crime.  What is happening now is incredibly serious,  and thanks to you, and your Progressive friends like Fred Cole, Valiuth and others, we are now on a very slippery slope to losing all our freedoms to the authoritarian ways of the Progressive/Marxists. This legal precedent, if allowed to continue, now grants the government the authority to go on wanton criminal fishing expeditions and eventual prosecutions  against anyone, including you and me, the Deep State feels threatened by under the guise of  some false pretense of a crime like “collusion”.

    The possibilities of dubious politically motivated prosecutions this “investigation” opens up are almost endless.  You have opened the door to  endless and most likely violent political strife which could quite possibility be the end of our nation and it’s rule under a Constitution.

    If committing a crime is his job, and Mueller is definitely violating Trump’s rights in a most serious way , are we supposed to just let him do it?

    If Mueller was raping a young girl in broad daylight on the Capital lawn, but he claimed it was his job, are we to let him do it? There is not  much of a difference in gravity of the crime. Mueller’s crimes are that serious. 

    Don’t believe it? Today, egged on by Mueller, the Progressive Judge Kimba Wood eviscerated the concept of  “attorney client” privilege   when she allowed the Feds to search Trump’s attorney’s office in search of a crime. How would you guys like your private lives and our your private confidential dealings  with your attorney torn upside down and sideways in search of some crime to charge you with on some made up, flimsy legal pretense like the KGB or the Gestapo would do? That is what is happening now to Trump. 

    [redacted]

     

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  19. RightAngles Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    As to Comey and Mueller’s friendship, I remember hearing Mueller was godfather to one of Comey’s daughters (there are four). If true, I’d suggest Comey didn’t just go pick someone off the streets for the role. Interestingly, I can’t find any reference to it on a Google search. You know why? All the top results are about Pence’s lawyer being a godfather to one of Comey’s daughters.

    Also, a link to snope’s declaring that Comey and Mueller are “best” friends is “largely” false. Way to torch that strawman, snopes!

    Yes, Susan, if you aren’t completely cynical about the establishment cartel, I think you’re naive. Respectfully.

    ………………

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-is-robert-mueller-conflicted-in-trump-probe

    And even the Washington Post has reported on this friendship that goes back at east 15 years, and would have been grounds for most prosecutors to recuse themselves. There were plenty of qualified people that could have filled Mueller’s job. Mueller was not the right guy:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2017/live-updates/trump-white-house/trump-comey-and-russia-how-key-washington-players-are-reacting/brothers-in-arms-the-long-friendship-between-mueller-and-comey/?utm_term=.39c06c33f81c

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  20. Ed G. Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Whereas I think the best possible outcome is that if there is nothing there then the people who likely knowingly and willfully put it forward anyway using the resources of the government as political weapons are brought to justice, and the swamp level lowers just a centimeter or two.

    Ah another investigation to suit your political purposes. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    Has nothing to do with my political purposes. First: we actually have some evidence that it happened that way! Second: weaponizing the intelligence and law enforcement resources of the federal government is unlawful, an affront to self government, an affront to civility, and actually a dangerous development. Do you really want to throw that point away just to try to score some debate points on Ricochet? Or do you really not agree with how dangerous and serious such a matter would be and how much sufficient basis we have today for such an investigation?

    I see no evidence that the current special counsel investigation is a weaponization of intelligence or law enforcement resources.

    Well then there really isn’t anything to discuss because that’s the crux. 

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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    What is happening now is incredibly serious, and thanks to you, and your Progressive friends like Fred Cole, Valiuth and others, we are now on a very slippery slope to losing all our freedoms to the authoritarian ways of the Progressive/Marxists.

    . . . I hope you clowns are happy with yourselves. 

    There’s no name calling on my posts, @unsk. And I’ve taken the blame for lots of things but I won’t take the blame here. Hyperbole doesn’t help your argument.

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  22. J.D. Snapp Coolidge
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    We’ve gotten 2 flags on this thread now. Y’all chill out on the assumptions and personal attacks, or I’m gonna start wielding the redaction hammer.

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  23. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    No. Mueller’s job is to act lawfully. According to Andrew McCarthy, there was no predicate crime as required by the independent counsel statute.

    I must admit that this part is disturbing to me. If a crime was required, it throws the whole thing out the window.

    Mueller was not appointed under the independent counsel statute.

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  24. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Whereas I think the best possible outcome is that if there is nothing there then the people who likely knowingly and willfully put it forward anyway using the resources of the government as political weapons are brought to justice, and the swamp level lowers just a centimeter or two.

    Ah another investigation to suit your political purposes. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    Has nothing to do with my political purposes. First: we actually have some evidence that it happened that way! Second: weaponizing the intelligence and law enforcement resources of the federal government is unlawful, an affront to self government, an affront to civility, and actually a dangerous development. Do you really want to throw that point away just to try to score some debate points on Ricochet? Or do you really not agree with how dangerous and serious such a matter would be and how much sufficient basis we have today for such an investigation?

    I see no evidence that the current special counsel investigation is a weaponization of intelligence or law enforcement resources.

    Well then there really isn’t anything to discuss because that’s the crux.

    If you care to present evidence I’ll take a look. 

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  25. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    What is happening now is incredibly serious, and thanks to you, and your Progressive friends like Fred Cole, Valiuth and others, we are now on a very slippery slope to losing all our freedoms to the authoritarian ways of the Progressive/Marxists. 

    Pardon?

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  26. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Whereas I think the best possible outcome is that if there is nothing there then the people who likely knowingly and willfully put it forward anyway using the resources of the government as political weapons are brought to justice, and the swamp level lowers just a centimeter or two.

    Ah another investigation to suit your political purposes. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    Has nothing to do with my political purposes. First: we actually have some evidence that it happened that way! Second: weaponizing the intelligence and law enforcement resources of the federal government is unlawful, an affront to self government, an affront to civility, and actually a dangerous development. Do you really want to throw that point away just to try to score some debate points on Ricochet? Or do you really not agree with how dangerous and serious such a matter would be and how much sufficient basis we have today for such an investigation?

    I see no evidence that the current special counsel investigation is a weaponization of intelligence or law enforcement resources.

    Well then there really isn’t anything to discuss because that’s the crux.

    It is was led up to the creation of the special counsel.

    The special counsel itself exists out there just doing it’s “job” of looking for stuff because the DOJ/FBI/Intel community created the narrative of Russian collusion based in large part on information provided  to them by the DNC/HRC campaign using Fusion/GPS and the Steele dossier.   Without the Steele dossier and the narrative and investigations surrounding it, there would be no special counsel.

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  27. Ed G. Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Whereas I think the best possible outcome is that if there is nothing there then the people who likely knowingly and willfully put it forward anyway using the resources of the government as political weapons are brought to justice, and the swamp level lowers just a centimeter or two.

    Ah another investigation to suit your political purposes. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    Has nothing to do with my political purposes. First: we actually have some evidence that it happened that way! Second: weaponizing the intelligence and law enforcement resources of the federal government is unlawful, an affront to self government, an affront to civility, and actually a dangerous development. Do you really want to throw that point away just to try to score some debate points on Ricochet? Or do you really not agree with how dangerous and serious such a matter would be and how much sufficient basis we have today for such an investigation?

    I see no evidence that the current special counsel investigation is a weaponization of intelligence or law enforcement resources.

    Well then there really isn’t anything to discuss because that’s the crux.

    If you care to present evidence I’ll take a look.

    Jamie, we do nothing on Ricochet anymore except discuss and hash out this evidence. Do you really not know what I’m referring to?

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  28. Western Chauvinist Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    As to Comey and Mueller’s friendship, I remember hearing Mueller was godfather to one of Comey’s daughters (there are four). If true, I’d suggest Comey didn’t just go pick someone off the streets for the role. Interestingly, I can’t find any reference to it on a Google search. You know why? All the top results are about Pence’s lawyer being a godfather to one of Comey’s daughters.

    Also, a link to snope’s declaring that Comey and Mueller are “best” friends is “largely” false. Way to torch that strawman, snopes!

    Yes, Susan, if you aren’t completely cynical about the establishment cartel, I think you’re naive. Respectfully.

    ………………

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-is-robert-mueller-conflicted-in-trump-probe

    And even the Washington Post has reported on this friendship that goes back at east 15 years, and would have been grounds for most prosecutors to recuse themselves. There were plenty of qualified people that could have filled Mueller’s job. Mueller was not the right guy:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2017/live-updates/trump-white-house/trump-comey-and-russia-how-key-washington-players-are-reacting/brothers-in-arms-the-long-friendship-between-mueller-and-comey/?utm_term=.39c06c33f81c

    From Byron York’s article:

    And finally, from another Hill lawyer:

    It’s somewhat ironic, no? I mean, the whole purpose of the special counsel is to have a prosecutor from outside the government and outside of the normal chain of command because inherent conflicts render the Justice Department incapable of handling it. So, now the special counsel is a close friend (mentor/mentee relationship) with the star witness, who by his own admission leaked the memos at least in part to engineer the appointment of a special counsel. Only in Washington. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Yeehaw! Fun with lawyers! 

    Thanks for the links, RA

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  29. Stad Coolidge
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    And in investigating that crime, he finds other crimes, does he let those go?

    If they’re outside the scope of his investigation, he should refer them to DOJ for action.  No, he shouldn’t let them go, but he shouldn’t stretch any facts to fit a crime either, which I expect will happen.

    We just have to wait and see.

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  30. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):
    If they’re outside the scope of his investigation, he should refer them to DOJ for action.

    Didn’t he do that?  He referred the Cohen thing to the SDNY.

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