Gowdy on Mueller: Let the Man Do His Job!

 

Trey Gowdy is one Congressman whom I greatly admire. He was the 7th Circuit Solicitor and led an office of 25 attorneys and 65 employees before joining Congress. He has been at the forefront of the Congressional investigations and doesn’t mince words when he gives his opinion.

So when people have repeatedly attacked Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his work, Trey Gowdy supports him and suggests we let him do his job. As a result, I ask, why there is so much turmoil around the situation, so much gnashing of teeth? So, I investigated, and I think I know why people are so upset. And frankly, I think Trey Gowdy has the right idea.

Let’s look at the actual facts and some of the assumptions about the investigation:

Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation of Russia. And Rod Rosenstein didn’t think the Justice Department should handle the investigation. We can debate Sessions’ recusal and Rosenstein’s delegation another time. But if you’re going to be angry, be angry at those two men.

Assumption #1: We didn’t need a Special Counsel. That may be true, but Robert Mueller didn’t ask for the job, as far as I know.

Assumption #2: Almost all of Mueller’s law team were Hillary partisans and donors. That’s not true. After that news came out, that information was corrected. There were three consequential donors. Of the remainder of the team, some were Democrats, or Republicans, or even donated to both parties.

Assumption #3: Trey Gowdy was ripping apart Mueller’s team. He did — once:

The only conversation I’ve had with Robert Mueller, it was stressing to him, the importance of cutting out the leaks with respect to serious investigations.

So, it is kind of ironic that the people charged with investigating the law and executing the law would violate the law. And make no mistake, disclosing grand jury material is a violation of the law. So, as a former prosecutor, I’m disappointed that you and I are having the conversation, but that somebody violated their oath of secrecy. . .

Mueller’s team leaked the first indictment and Trey Gowdy reprimanded him and cautioned him to stop the leaks. And he also continued to support Mueller.

Assumption #4: The investigation is taking too long. My question is, how long is too long? What is the right amount of time? Don’t you want people who have violated rules or committed crimes to be held accountable?

Assumption#5: There must be no collusion or Mueller would have released that information. This assumption requires some dissecting of the facts. First, the original letter from Deputy AG Rosenstein said nothing about collusion (which is not illegal, by the way). The pertinent section authorized the Special Counsel to investigate—

. . . any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump . . .

That authorization says nothing about collusion or crimes on the part of Trump campaign. One could assume that might have been what was intended, but if the facts don’t support that assumption, there’s no issue. Clearly there was evidence regarding Paul Manafort but not in regard to the Trump campaign. Worse yet, Gowdy thinks that Trump’s own attorneys have inflamed the situation by harping on the collusion scenario with him. And finally, why does anyone think they must not have found collusion or they would have announced it, while the investigation is still in progress? Why not accept that we simply do not know?

Assumption #6: The Special Counsel was given too broad an agenda and because this investigation has gone so long, it must be a fishing expedition. First of all, there was never a deadline set because it would have been impossible to set one. Second, would you really want Mueller to stop his investigation without interviewing everyone connected to this issue? Besides the reports of people who’ve been interviewed, isn’t it possible that other relevant people have been identified and are being interviewed, and these interviews haven’t been publicized?

I’m sure I could come up with many more assumptions that have been made by people who want to defend Trump and the Republican Party and find people to attack and blame, but I hope I’ve made my point: it serves no useful purpose. And let me say that I am as frustrated as many of you by the fact that a Special Counsel was set up, that it will have gone on for nearly a year, that misinformation has been sent out but corrections were not well promoted. And it’s also possible that the misinformation has been spread by the Left and the Right. But this is where we find ourselves: with a tedious investigation that has weighed down the Trump administration, given Trump ample opportunity to rage at several of the related parties, and a chance for the Left to rub its hands gleefully at our anger and discomfort. Isn’t it time that we take a deep breath and follow Trey Gowdy’s advice regarding Robert Mueller:

I would encourage my Republican friends — give the guy a chance to do his job. The result will be known by the facts, by what he uncovers. The personalities involved are much less important to me than the underlying facts. So, I would — I would say give the guy a chance to do his job.

How about it?

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  1. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Voting for a conservative third party candidate also helped her . . .

    But what about a vote for McMullin?

    Evidence that one is too gullible to be allowed to vote.

    Yes. And that could never ever ever ever be said of people who voted for Donald Trump.

    Fred, I am one of those people who voted for Donald Trump. I would advise that you let it go instead of trying to make snarky remarks about half the users on this website. Thanks in advance.

    Yeah no one ever makes snarky remarks about Fred or libertarians around here.

    We could go to the videotape if only we had some, but my impression is that the libertarians remain in the lead in the all important ratio of snark per capita.

    Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.

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  2. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Voting for a conservative third party candidate also helped her . . .

    But what about a vote for McMullin?

    Evidence that one is too gullible to be allowed to vote.

    Yes. And that could never ever ever ever be said of people who voted for Donald Trump.

    Fred, I am one of those people who voted for Donald Trump. I would advise that you let it go instead of trying to make snarky remarks about half the users on this website. Thanks in advance.

    Yeah no one ever makes snarky remarks about Fred or libertarians around here.

    We could go to the videotape if only we had some, but my impression is that the libertarians remain in the lead in the all important ratio of snark per capita.

    Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.

    Low or high?

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  3. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election. 

    A one-night stand is not an affair. 

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  4. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

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  5. George Townsend Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

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  6. EDISONPARKS Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

    So Jamie and George insist it was an affair?

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  7. Jamie Lockett Member
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

    So Jamie and George insist it was an affair?

    I can’t believe I have to do this…
    love af·fair
    ˈləv əˌfe(ə)r/
    noun
    noun: love affair; plural noun: love affairs

    1. a romantic or sexual relationship between two people, especially one that is outside marriage

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  8. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

    So Jamie and George insist it was an affair?

    I can’t believe I have to do this…
    love af·fair
    ˈləv əˌfe(ə)r/
    noun
    noun: love affair; plural noun: love affairs

    1. a romantic or sexual relationship between two people, especially one that is outside marriage
       

    I was making a joke, trying to add some levity …

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  9. Jamie Lockett Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Voting for a conservative third party candidate also helped her . . .

    But what about a vote for McMullin?

    Evidence that one is too gullible to be allowed to vote.

    Yes. And that could never ever ever ever be said of people who voted for Donald Trump.

    Fred, I am one of those people who voted for Donald Trump. I would advise that you let it go instead of trying to make snarky remarks about half the users on this website. Thanks in advance.

    Yeah no one ever makes snarky remarks about Fred or libertarians around here.

    We could go to the videotape if only we had some, but my impression is that the libertarians remain in the lead in the all important ratio of snark per capita.

    Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.

    Low or high?

    If you have to ask…

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  10. George Townsend Inactive
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

    So Jamie and George insist it was an affair?

    It wasn’t necessarily an affair, the way we think of affairs. I was just amused that someone would take the time to respond to this. hence I wrote what I wrote. And I stand by it. Many people on this website excuse President Trump from things they would never excuse Bill Clinton from, to name an example.

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  11. EDISONPARKS Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

    So Jamie and George insist it was an affair?

    It wasn’t necessarily an affair, the way we think of affairs. I was just amused that someone would take the time to respond to this. hence I wrote what I wrote. And I stand by it. Many people on this website excuse President Trump from things they would never excuse Bill Clinton from, to name an example.

    Again, I was making a joke … it obviously didn’t land.

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  12. Hoyacon Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

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    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

    So Jamie and George insist it was an affair?

    I can’t believe I have to do this…
    love af·fair
    ˈləv əˌfe(ə)r/
    noun
    noun: love affair; plural noun: love affairs

    1. a romantic or sexual relationship between two people, especially one that is outside marriage

    In the spirit of moving this thread even farther from it’s original topic–always IMO  a noble endeavor–who, at dictionary central, decided that ” ˈləv əˌfe(ə)r/ ” was helpful?

    And I’m not convinced that the definition settles the question–“relationship” being the key word.  Yes, we are heading into CoC territory.

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  13. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    In the spirit of moving this thread even farther from it’s original topic–always IMO a noble endeavor

    I beg your pardon?

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  14. Hoyacon Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    In the spirit of moving this thread even farther from it’s original topic–always IMO a noble endeavor

    I beg your pardon?

    I like to call it a wide-ranging inquiry into truth.  Hijack is so . . . judgmental. 

     

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  15. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I don’t know how many of you have seen my post  that was promoted about an hour ago, but I sang your praises for making this a great post. Not all of you may agree with my assessment so feel free to comment otherwise, if you so wish.

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  16. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I like to call it a wide-ranging inquiry into truth. Hijack is so . . . judgmental

    Nice word-crafting there, @hoyacon. Or covering your you-know-what . . .

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  17. Hoyacon Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I like to call it a wide-ranging inquiry into truth. Hijack is so . . . judgmental

    Nice word-crafting there, @hoyacon. Or covering your you-know-what . . .

    I appreciate that thought.   It shows that decades of experience in same have paid off. 

     

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  18. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    The day after Trump the election my Democrat friends started talking about getting Trump impeached.  Since then I have seen what seems to be an impeachment effort with Special Counsel Robert Mueller investigating anything possible to further an impeachment or unseat the President.  That is his purpose there.  It is why he was given the position.  Since I don’t really care for Trump much this effort only bothers me down where I used to believe our country was something special built on laws.  But once I shake off that childish fantasy and come to my senses that this country is really just a banana republic.   where laws are things used by the powerful and corrupt to get their way and I find this whole thing amusing.  

     

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

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    I take full credit for my snark! But at least snark only accounts for 75% of my posts here.

    And your’re going to work on writing even more unsnarky stuff, too, right?!

    I gotta be me.

    Drew, you are a great writer.  But the snark detracts from your otherwise well-written points.

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  20. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.

    Well, not in my case. 

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  21. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Rosenstein knew what kind of man he was appointing as Special Counsel.

    Then there’s Mueller covering up Brennan’s role in crafting the dossier:

    It turns out that Mueller hasn’t even interviewed Brennan, the original spinner of the Trump-Russia fable. That’s all you need to know about the bogusness of Mueller’s investigation….

    It is hard to imagine a worse advertisement for the CIA and FBI than Brennan and Comey. Whatever aura of apolitical credibility those agencies once enjoyed these two partisan hacks have shattered. Brennan told Todd that members of the intelligence community are privately cheering him on in his coup attempt. His “former colleagues,” he said, say, “Thank you, John.” Wow, how reassuring.

    Mueller is avoiding Brennan because (1) he may tell Mueller something he does not want to hear and/or (2) he realizes Brennan’s public statements already create a problem in using him as a potential witness.

    Mueller’s avoidance of Brennan is also a great illustration of how this is not an investigation into possible Russian attempts to influence the election.  It is instead an investigation of targets selected by Mueller in an attempt to pin crimes on them.  If this really was an investigation about covert Russian influence Brennan would have been one of the first interviewed.

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  22. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Voting for a conservative third party candidate also helped her . .

    But what about a vote for McMullin?

    It was apparently a vote for a guy who’s decided he doesn’t have to pay his campaign staff

    Former presidential candidate Evan McMullin owes his former campaign staff members tens of thousands of dollars and most believe he has no intention of ever paying them, a former campaign worker tells The Daily Caller News Foundation….

    There are many other vendors who still have never received payment from McMullin, he said. The McMullin campaign was nearly $670,000 in debt according to its last Federal Elections Commission filing in July 2017, TheDCNF reported Tuesday.

    That same report from TheDCNF demonstrated that the campaign has been potentially violating federal campaign finance law for nearly a year because it has ceased performing the required monthly filings despite numerous warnings from the FEC.

    While trying to raise money to fight against Trump’s “policy of ‘[conceding] to Vladimir Putin.’”

    What about a vote for McMullen? He sounds like a swindler.

     

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Voting for a conservative third party candidate also helped her . .

    But what about a vote for McMullin?

    It was apparently a vote for a guy who’s decided he doesn’t have to pay his campaign staff

    Former presidential candidate Evan McMullin owes his former campaign staff members tens of thousands of dollars and most believe he has no intention of ever paying them, a former campaign worker tells The Daily Caller News Foundation….

    There are many other vendors who still have never received payment from McMullin, he said. The McMullin campaign was nearly $670,000 in debt according to its last Federal Elections Commission filing in July 2017, TheDCNF reported Tuesday.

    That same report from TheDCNF demonstrated that the campaign has been potentially violating federal campaign finance law for nearly a year because it has ceased performing the required monthly filings despite numerous warnings from the FEC.

    While trying to raise money to fight against Trump’s “policy of ‘[conceding] to Vladimir Putin.’”

    What about a vote for McMullen? He sounds like a swindler.

    Ccompared to Trump’bankruptcies and Trump University, McMullin is small potatoes.  

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  24. TBA Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Wait. Am I getting proper credit for starting the road to snark?

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  25. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Voting for a conservative third party candidate also helped her . .

    But what about a vote for McMullin?

    It was apparently a vote for a guy who’s decided he doesn’t have to pay his campaign staff

    Former presidential candidate Evan McMullin owes his former campaign staff members tens of thousands of dollars and most believe he has no intention of ever paying them, a former campaign worker tells The Daily Caller News Foundation….

    There are many other vendors who still have never received payment from McMullin, he said. The McMullin campaign was nearly $670,000 in debt according to its last Federal Elections Commission filing in July 2017, TheDCNF reported Tuesday.

    That same report from TheDCNF demonstrated that the campaign has been potentially violating federal campaign finance law for nearly a year because it has ceased performing the required monthly filings despite numerous warnings from the FEC.

    While trying to raise money to fight against Trump’s “policy of ‘[conceding] to Vladimir Putin.’”

    What about a vote for McMullen? He sounds like a swindler.

    Ccompared to Trump’bankruptcies and Trump University, McMullin is small potatoes.

    I’ll just note that tu quoque is categorized as a logical fallacy.

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  26. Valiuth Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    Well if King David can do it…

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  27. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    This thread is nearly dead, but . . . let’s have Mollie weigh in on Mueller.

     

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  28. Kate Braestrup Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

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    People assume Mueller is hell bent on “getting Trump”. Me I assume he’s just being thorough. To me the best possible outcome is that Mueller stands before the public and clears Trump of any wrongdoing. It completely cuts the legs out from the lefts narrative.

    Does that ever happen? I ask sincerely.

    Ask Hillary.

    Well…I guess. ALthough I wouldn’t have said she had been cleared of wrongdoing, even by the craven Comey.

    Hillary seems to have been a bit of a special case, in multiple and confusing directions. First, she was publicly outed…and then let off—- for things that anyone else would’ve been nailed for (e.g. the extremely careless handling of classified information).  Comey didn’t want to skew the election…. which he already assumed she had in the bag. Or something like that. And now, it seems, she’s being investigated again, if the investigation indeed ever ceased.  Not exactly a slam-dunker, there, or worth much in the way of comfort to the subjects of the latest investigatory extravaganza.

    The Ken Starr investigation went on for ages…ended in an impeachment tho’ not a conviction.

    Watergate… Iran-Contra… ?

    Or, for that matter, the two separate investigations into Darren Wilson’s shooting of Michael Brown. Both found that he acted in accordance with his training and duty, but the president didn’t exactly come out and say “He did nothing wrong.” 

    So… is there actually any reason to believe that after all this time and fuss, Mueller is going to stand before the people and say “Nope. Trump’s clean.” 

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    This thread is nearly dead, but . . . let’s have Mollie weigh in on Mueller.

     

    Wow. I knew some of this. 

    OK, now do all of you think we should trust the man?

    The FBI appears to be corrupted to its core. I’d resign if  I worked there.

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  30. Kate Braestrup Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

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    Yeah. Can you believe that freakin’ guy? He had an affair with a pornstar and then paid her hush money a month before the election.

    A one-night stand is not an affair.

    Seriously?

    You gotta understand, Jamie: This is Trump. Many Ricochetti make allowances.

    So Jamie and George insist it was an affair?

    It wasn’t necessarily an affair, the way we think of affairs. I was just amused that someone would take the time to respond to this. hence I wrote what I wrote. And I stand by it. Many people on this website excuse President Trump from things they would never excuse Bill Clinton from, to name an example.

    Right. But, again, in 2016 we were going to get a horny dawg/terrible person living in the White House no matter which way the election went. 

    Might I just point out that Stormy Daniels was hardly a 20 year old intern… Trump wasn’t in the Oval Office at the time…and it seems extremely unlikely to me, given the MSM’s thirst for damaging info on Trump that he is a serial sexual predator.  So while they’re peas in a pod, really, I still count Bill as the worse of the two. 

    Let’s hope we get Pence next. (Pence-Haley!)

     

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