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40,000 British Girl Victims of Pakistani Grooming Gangs
Did you know the number was that high? I did not. That is an unbelievable number of young women being exploited.
Of course, in the UK it is considered racist to talk about these things. So while we obsess about how snowflake women feel about lascivious looks or uncouth remarks from idiotic men in Hollywood or DC, several Pakistani immigrants in the UK are consistently destroying the lives of tens of thousands of truly vulnerable young women.
Perspective is sorely needed. And so is speaking Truth to Power. Which is a shame, because there are some voices in the UK that write:
[The outrage] overlooked the perfectly valid point Mr Trump was trying to make about the threat home-grown Islamist extremists pose, both to our security and to that of our allies.
Not to mention the threat to lower-class white girls.
Published in General
Mark Steyn talked about the heartlessness of the police and the authority. Truly appalling.
Starts around the 20 minute mark
I started quite a discussion when last in Scotland when I mentioned to several Scots that what has happened (and is happening) in Britain would never happen in say … Montana.
Because every daddy in Montana has a gun.
Its easy to google, its been a known issue for years. Here is one: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/grooming-uk-sex-asian-gang-503122
Here’s the Independent on it:
Oh Henry! gotta watch out for the Sikh brothers my brother : – )
More seriously, girls in Asian communities in the UK (is my impression) may or may not be valued as individuals, but they are always valued as the reposotories of community honour – which leads to a horrific double standard and crimes like honour killings which take place in all religious groups – but also means that they’re guarded and protected in a not always great way. (Equality it isn’t.)
So – my point is, these gangs may have been to frightened of ‘grooming’ Sikh (or any Asian) girls, but this is not necessarily a compliment to the Asian culture. (Though it might be?)
I’m willing to bet folding money that all the victims were working class – seen as of ‘no account’ by these gangs, but also by the people (like the police) who are meant to protect society.
In other words:
Some British white men are evil.
Some groups of Islamic men have institutionalized evil.
Institutionalized evil (like slavery) are fundamental different. G-d did not destroy Sodom because they were bad, per sé, but because their laws and customs had made it impossible to be good.
It is technically correct sure, but the context in which it is used is to mask the true identity of the perps. A Muslim male may be Asian by location, but he nothing racially or culturally like a Japanese male or Chinese male by ethnicity. I prefer the specificity of “Middle Eastern” over “Asian” any day.
Some of the mods looked into this, and there doesn’t seem to be an obvious source for this 40,000 figure other than this Telegraph article. Here’s what the Telegraph article @iWe linked to says,
Midge,
So if it was only say 1,000 underaged girls raped and pimped it would be OK for the authorities to ignore it. Which they did. And it would be OK for the News Media to mention it as little as possible and then only with euphemisms like “grooming”. Which they did. As this practice is connected to a particular culture and not just random acts committed by deviants to the Western norm, one might very well suspect that the numbers reported are very much lower than the actual number. Especially, since the media & authorities are complicit in a cover-up.
I think the conclusion that white girls (especially ones who are poor) need a fearless, high profile advocate is exactly so.
Regards,
Jim
It is absolutely sick for you to even suggest I would think such a thing. I would appreciate an apology.
The mods were just doing some due diligence on a figure, to see if Ricochet’s readers could see it in context outside the paywall.
You might start with Pamela Geller: https://pamelageller.com/ and her new book Fatwa, Hunted in America. She has set up foundations for the girls killed by their own families, and others.
Then Robert Spencer: https://www.jihadwatch.org/ His latest book, Confessions of an Islamophobe, and why others should be. The fear is not irrational.
Gerrt Wilder a Dutch politician who has been warning the world for years, https://geertwilders.nl/ He has been “tried for hate speech in his own country.
These three have been banned from England for their “hate speech.” for telling the truth about Islam. An Melony Phillips approved of it.
Then of course “Britain First” https://www.britainfirst.org/ doing their best to wake the UK and getting arrested for “hate speech.”
Then we have Brigitte Gabriel, americancongressfor truth.com Brigitte Gabriel is a founder of the non-profit political organizations American Congress For Truth and ACT! for America.
All the above have “Fatwa” on their head, which means a death warrant.
Gatestone Institute lays it all out, https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org Daniel Greenfield does an in-depth discussion of all things Islamic on Sultan Knish. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/
An internet search:http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/3576/full
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3846/britain-child-grooming
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/disturbing-reality-muslim-sex-grooming-gangs/
And the so tolerant British Police: http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/239615/uk-police-arrested-parents-trying-stop-muslims-daniel-greenfield
And Fred, if you don’t like these. there are hundreds more as this has been going on for a long time. And for your information I have posted some of these website on ricochet more than once in various conversations regarding the issue of the diabolical intentions of the muslim islamist. But, Dems and Reps alike prefer to sweep it under the rug and maybe it will go away. President Trump of course knows about all this, thus he tweets, put don’t put your faith in a business man, who is actually doing some good, because he is the big bad wolf, according to you.
Yes, most of the Islamic world, including Pakistan, is in Asia; just like much of the Soviet Union was Asian. Asia is not just China, Japan, etc. So “Asian” can mean anything from Russian, to Israeli, to Korean. Just like “American” can mean anything from Newfoundlander to Argentinian.
The handy thing about describing Pakistanis or Middle-Eastern Muslims as “Asian,” is that it fends off accusations of provoking an anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistani “backlash.” It’s also, I suppose, less likely to provoke jihadi violence. Most importantly, though, the Brits don’t have to think of themselves as being racists for even talking about it. Because, somehow, Muslim is a race, and Asian is not. At least, not when everyone knows you’re trying to avoid saying Pakistani or Muslim. Or something.
Thank you, Kay, for the homework on this!
There were somewhere between 1,400 and 2,500 victims in Rotherham alone, with 18 criminals doing the deed.
There have been 265 CONVICTIONS for Grooming Gangs. If these gangs worked with the same “efficiency” as Rotherham, that means there are 14.7 TIMES 1,400-2500 victims. TOTAL: 20,580-36,750 VICTIMS (give or take, depending on the “efficiency” of these other gangs).
And this only extrapolates from CONVICTIONS. We have to assume that there are many more criminals than those convicted. So the 40,000 number looks awfully conservative to me.
Here are some more things I just found:
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2: That researcher cited.
I’ve never heard anyone refer to Argentinians as Americans.
Absolute total fabrication. Please name me a religious group other than muslum that practice “honor killings.” There were a few in Bible times, some 3000 years ago and a about 25 people killed what that thought to be witches during the early forming of this country. Even the orthodox Jews who feel a son or daughter has abandoned the faith are ostracize not killed.
I don’t know how many I don’t know how many occur in other countries but in the USA the honor killings occur by parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters of muslim faith.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/03/06/shocking-u-s-based-honor-killings/
They would be if Argentinians were notorious for running sex-slavery rings.
It might be preceded by “Latin-” or “South.”
Executing someone for witchcraft is not an honor killing. What honor killings do you find in the Bible? None come to mind, at the moment.
Midge,
I can’t read the mods minds. Sorry, but if the mods disrupt the flow of a discussion with a non-sequitur demand for extra evidence it can be misinterpreted as a negative comment. We had already discussed a simple way to go around the paywall on the story in question. I would like it if the mods want additional evidence to explain their logic in the request. Such as, “I doubt this number on the basis of x” or “I am interested in this fact and wonder if there is a firm ground for the fact quoted backed up by other sources?”. Fred’s “Have you gotta source other than x for that?”, comes off as disruptive and insulting. As if the idea expressed is questionable and the given source worthless.
Sorry, I meant nothing about your beliefs. It was a proforma way to shut down a long debate about sources that may never be conclusive. Your intense response actually proves the point that the situation as stated is so egregious that it requires immediate action with or without government grants or long-term studies.
Regards,
Jim
People in South America refer to themselves as Americans. It irks them that people in the US try to monopolize the term for themselves.
Okay, so just to clarify, your alarmist 40,000 figure from the OP is entirely supposition unsupported by actual facts. Is that correct?
Fred,
You got a source for this.
Regards,
Jim
How? I don’t get that. How is asking for sources “insulting”?
And frankly I don’t care if it’s “disruptive.” Disruptive to this counter-jihad moral-panic narrative that there are hordes of rampaging Muslims raping white women without consequence and that there’s a massive conspiracy of silence keeping anyone from talking about it?
Extraordinary alarmist claims should require some evidence. Linking to a story behind a paywall doesn’t count.
We’re here to debate and discuss things. This isn’t supposed to be a safe space where people peddle alarmist nonsense and then complain when they’re called out on it.
I think the only instance of an honor killing in the Bible is Genesis when the brothers kill the men in the city of Dinah’s “rapist”.
There might be one more honor killing at the end of the book of Judges.
Another horrifying happening, the bastards start their pedophilia with small boys, then graduate to small girls. The following article will make you sick, and these reports from all over the world where muslims predominate, have been made for years and years, with nothing done. We are not supposed to put our culture on them. But we allow millions of them into our country and complain they are barbarians.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
Its so sweet how much you defend Muslim rapists.
Extrapolated from 18 offenders who raped and abused 1400 girls. 256 convictions in all. So Fred, how many do you think have been abused?
Well, we have documented evidence of 1,400. So, um, 1,400.
But it’s not on me to provide evidence. I’m not the one making the claim that it’s 40,000.
Two additional things:
2. I’m not defending Muslims rapists. But thanks for trying to demonize me for daring to ask for evidence.
Look who’s logic is broken while trying to criticize other people for reaching reasonable conclusions given the data available.
18 men were arrested for the ring involving 1400 girls. 256 more were arrested in other rings. Clearly, the number is much higher than 1400.
Free to have my own opinion. And yes, it does matter. If you can identify the enemy, you can do something to control it. But dear old Open Borders Fred doesn’t think nations have a right to control their borders and prevent enemies that prey on their children from crossing them.
You aren’t asking for evidence. You are accusing people of extremist alarmism (irrational fear, phobia) and discrediting them because you don’t like how they use logic.
I thought libertarians were supposed to be good at logic, but you need everything spelled out for you and documented in order for you to reach any kind of conclusion at all.
Yeah. So give me the numbers of victims in those other rings. The data is available.