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40,000 British Girl Victims of Pakistani Grooming Gangs
Did you know the number was that high? I did not. That is an unbelievable number of young women being exploited.
Of course, in the UK it is considered racist to talk about these things. So while we obsess about how snowflake women feel about lascivious looks or uncouth remarks from idiotic men in Hollywood or DC, several Pakistani immigrants in the UK are consistently destroying the lives of tens of thousands of truly vulnerable young women.
Perspective is sorely needed. And so is speaking Truth to Power. Which is a shame, because there are some voices in the UK that write:
[The outrage] overlooked the perfectly valid point Mr Trump was trying to make about the threat home-grown Islamist extremists pose, both to our security and to that of our allies.
Not to mention the threat to lower-class white girls.
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I’m not the one who has issues with what was provided. I believe the numbers are high and I don’t require the accuracy of 40,000 to judge that there is a huge problem.
You are. You are the one being critical of people having “alarmist” views. 256, Fred. 90% of them Muslim. Muslims make up 5% of the population there. How many would it need to be for you to not consider us “alarmist”?
How many does it need to be for you to consider it a real problem, Fred?
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Fred is not a moderator. Please don't make your beef with Fred about "mods' abuse of power" when it isn't.Fred,
This is exactly evidence of what I’m saying. Your request is full of your disdain for others opinions. Here you reveal how preconceived your beliefs really are. You’ve dismissed an entire discussion without any real reason. This sentence is just full of pejoratives and nothing that counters the truly real concerns raised by the horror of the reality of the events described.
Your demand for additional data is obviously obscurantist nitpicking. You are using your position as a mod to damage a good discussion. You also, as always, inject the most absurd strawmen. No one on this post (or on Ricochet for that matter) has ever said anything like “hordes of rampaging Muslims raping white women”. The problem that the article is discussing is well documented and whether there are 40,000 or 20,000 or 60,000 victims doesn’t really change anything. Your attitude is completely inappropriate. Midge and the other mods must put up with all of the bad blood you create with members.Try a little diplomacy next time Fred.
Regards,
Jim
Unfortunately it’s something that happens in South Asia, and has been taken to Britain by many migrant groups from there.
Which doesn’t mean that all individuals in that group….oh never mind.
An ambit claim (imho) and it seems hard to see a moral difference between the two.
When it comes to police work, however, it’s relevant info.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3846/britain-child-grooming
They have hard numbers on 2500 girls. They are still investigating 54 more gangs, this places an estimate of 20,000 girls at risk (in other words, they are extrapolating from what they know [how many members vs how many girls] to estimate how many more girls there are by virtue of the number of gangs they are investigating).
Logic. Someone was not a fan of Sherlock Holmes as a kid. But considering it is British investigative services, they may have a higher regard for elementary logic than us Americans.. ahem.. United Staters do.
it’s only insulting when there is no source.
It does, I’ll admit, disrupt the flow of conclusions.
No. Like Fred, you are also protecting your pet demographic. Its that we don’t have enough sources to satisfy Fred’s demands because Fred doesn’t actually want sources.
For instance, sources were provided. Rather than just deem them not enough to convince him, he continues to squat on the thread and call us alarmists.
Here is some info about child abuse in the UK:
https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-abuse-and-neglect/child-sexual-abuse/sexual-abuse-facts-statistics/
In all of this “it’s about Islam/it’s not about Islam” hoo haa (sorry, I think it is something of a moral panic) people are losing sight of the question: why are working class white girls apparently so uniquely vulnerable to this? Has it always been this way? Has something changed, and if so what?
Stina – the sources didn’t support the figure.
Poor people are always at risk – no one looks for them, they have other risk factors for runaways and prostitution, possibly drug use.
When parents bring concerns to the police, they are written off or not as highly prioritized because of those risk factors regardless of parental insistence that something is wrong.
But working class always gets the bottom treatment because their crimes are not widely publicized.
Just curious, at what point does something seize to be alarmist or a moral panic? I feel like the two of you are minimizing this because you have your own priors. Certainly, we are elevating it due to our own, but 1400, 2500, 20K or 40k is a lot of people being abused. Certainly some percentage of them would probably end up in bad places anyway, but certainly many of them would not.
What is your threshold for appropriate upheaval?
Working class are vulnerable in these types of abuse situations. Predators are known for targeting the vulnerable; it was similar in the priest scandal.
Edited to add: it’s also worth pointing out (and I’m not sure if this was in the Mark Steyn video posted) that when Mark Steyn went to England to interview some of the victims he assumed they would be sick of talking about the abuse they’d suffered. The exact opposite was true; they’d barely had an opportunity.
It may take a while, but it is important to have numbers that are as accurate as possible. That was the premise of Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands, about the killings in east Europe between the wars and during World War II. Lots of numbers had been bandied about by people who had agendas one way or the other. The real numbers were pretty bad.
Snyder became a wild conspiracy theorist and alarmist when it came to TrumpRussia, but he provided a valuable service with his Bloodlands book.
I’m not sure we can get accurate numbers in these types of cases. Do any of us believe we have accurate numbers of victims of priests? I certainly don’t. Many victims are understandably reluctant to come forward. Compound that natural reluctance if you don’t think you’re going to be taken seriously/believed.
We don’t have accurate numbers for the Holocaust, either. That is still held in our esteem as the worst human tragedy of all time.
Well, TG had forsight.
Agreed. Which is why we can recognize the crimes in Britain as a threat and not spend our time quibbling over details which are impossible to prove one way or the other.
There hasn’t been enough time or energy by anyone in Britain to even recognize there is a problem let alone figure out how big of a problem it is.
So glad you think it is alarmist nonscense. You obviously haven’t read my links, as there hasn’t been enough time. Sure glad you live in a safe space without perhaps any daughters to worry about. You know the old saying, to assume about something you seem to know nothing about and want us to “prove” it to you makes u and me both asses.
Occasionally some one got stoned to death for adultery. However, it took 70 judges to convict on a capital case, and if it was done more than once in 70 years the judges were criticized for being a killing court.
Fred, sometimes you baffle me.
We know that Rotherham abused 1,400 people (BBC and local government), and police have had over 7,000 possibles.
IN ONE PLACE.
18 people did that.
In all, 256 convictions have been handed down for Grooming Gang perpetrators across the UK. You do the math.
Is it so crazy to suggest that the number of victims is 40,000?
And, by the way, I did not first suggest the number. I repeated a number given in The Telegraph, which is one of the most august publications in the UK – not a tabloid at all.
Somewhere I read that they are about 5 years behind in prosecutions.
Edited to correct.
Interestingly, I didn’t even consider those.
I think someone was raped by a foreigner, the patriarch of the tribe killed the victim, cut him/her in pieces, and sent them to the other tribes demanding war against the foreigner. It’s a grisly story and didn’t make much sense to me, so I may have misunderstood the impetus. I just remember the chopping and call for war.
Dina was not an honor killing. It was about preventing rape and future rapes.
If DINA had been killed by her brothers, it might have been an honor killing.
So what?
It was a Levite and his concubine. He kicked her out to be raped. I guess she died. This led to war against the Tribe of Benjamin and is the precursor to 7 brides for 7 brothers.
So not an honor killing…
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Posting a copy of a fundraising letter like this comes across as using Ricochet to solicit funds.Just received from Britain First, unfortunately, I cannot help them as have been paying doctors, hospitals and other obligations for several months.
[Copy of a solicitation for funds removed.]
Whether it happened to 1,500 or 40,000 girls, it is horrific, and the American feminists who claim to be traumatized by men asking them to twirl remain totally silent. Just more proof, as if any were needed, that feminists care nothing about other women, and exist only to promote themselves.
I would like some objective evidence of this, non-politically sourced of course. I happen to live in a city (Miami,FL) which has an extremely high population of people who originated from South America and Central America and I have Never heard even one of them refer to themselves or fellow country as Americans. Even those that have obtained citizenship in the United States will still refer to themselves as being Colombian, or Peruvian, etc. rather than American.
This can get complicated, though. If people ask what nationality I am, I will often say, “Irish”, because I just take it for granted that it’s blatantly obvious that I am American. It isn’t blatantly obvious that I am of Irish ancestry, so if someone asks about my nationality, I assume that they are asking about the non obvious aspects of my ancestry. I think lots of people do this; it doesn’t necessarily mean that we don’t consider ourselves American.
I get your point though: Fred has made a claim, he should back it up :)
Stina – I think these issues are a legitimate thing to worry about – but where it edges into moral panic (and little actual thought?) is people focusing on one completely uncorroborated but horrifying figure without (1) thinking to check if it’s true or (2) bothering to place it in the context of general child abuse stats and rates for the UK.
Doesn’t it strike you as odd that few people did the first and nobody (until me) did the second? I am not saying that any of us are bad people – just pointing out that human beings are vulnerable to moral panics. Which shouldn’t be news.
You assume too much. I’ve been watching this for a while, too. I just don’t keep links to sources in my back pocket to prove I’m not an extreme alarmist or in a moral panic.