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The Red Pill Documentary
I’ve just stumbled upon some interviews of a documentary film maker who has a new film coming out called The Red Pill Documentary. The film is about the filmmaker, Cassie Jaye, who identified as a liberal feminist, who decided to investigate the Men’s Rights Movement. She speaks to men who are MRA’s, as they are identified as, and feminist as well for balance, and also has her own video diary segments as to how her mind has been changed about MRA’s and the legitimacy of their movement, as the title of the film indicates. The red pill is a reference to the film The Matrix in which if you wanted to be taken out of the matrix and have your mind opened to the reality of The Matrix you had to take the red pill.
Recently, Dave Rubin interviewed her about her journey making this film. There are two parts to the interview that are about a half and hour each, I recommend the interview.
Of course, right on cue, feminists and leftists (but I repeat myself) are already trying their best to shut this film down. So now I really want to see it and make it a huge success. It is interesting that leftist want to destroy this film especially since the filmmaker is, or at least was, a liberal feminist herself who by actually talking to the people who were her opposition actually learned something and understood that they may have a point, even if she doesn’t fully agree with them. Isn’t that amazing, but of course the left cannot allow anyone to actually SPEAK and BE HEARD unless they are speaking the correct opinions. Let’s help make this film a success if for nothing else to encourge more liberal filmmakers, like Ms. Jaye to go against the grain and make more films that allow other ideas be heard.
Below is the trailer
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Wow! There may be hope yet. I see this as another little chink in the armor of the left. Recently, there was a Jeopardy! clue where the question was “PC” and the answer was “the current cultural orthodoxy.” I have recommended this for the Main Feed and hope all of you do the same.
The backers for the documentary dropped funding once they found out that Jaye’s opinion about MRA’s, and the focus of the documentary, was changing.
Milo Yiannopoulos, raconteur and flamboyantly provocative man about town, organized replacement funding for the film.
She mentioned that in another interview. Good old Milo to the rescue. I think this filmed opened her eyes to the behavior of the left as well. Many liberals are getting “red pilled” about more than just what this film is about, they are learning how totalitarian the left really is.
I see Warren Farrell is in this – he wrote a book that had a big impact on me when I was in my 20’s: Why Men Are the Way They Are.
Fun fact that I learned from that book (I think it was that book): if there’s a TV commercial selling something by showing one incompetent person struggling with a problem, and one smart person showing the way to deal with it, and they are a man and a woman, the man will be the incompetent one 100% of the time! This was a study of actual commercials airing in the mid-80’s.
As the mother of two daughters and two sons, I think it’s about time men stood up for themselves.
Many of our best allies and most persuasive spokespeople are former leftists, so this is par for the course. Moreover, they see such people not as decent folks who changed their minds but instead as evil traitors who deserve even less respect than “born conservatives”.
As for listening to the other side, if people did that leftism would lose hands down so that has to be prevented at all costs by either shutting us up, distorting what we believe, or labelling everything we say “hate speech”. Even the mild-mannered NPR presents a caricature of what we actually believe instead of our actual views.
Only if they want to lose their job, their home and go to jail.
Hookers and video games are the rational life choice.
Which is why the feminists are having hysterics about sexbots too.
I am so sick of the old feminists tromping all over men, ridiculing them, humiliating them, hating them. I see it everywhere and I think that it’s overdue to have an organization that helps men find their balance again and to stand up.
The problem is so many feminists have gone so overboard they’ve created equally overboard MRA’s – of both sexes ironically.
I believe that a lot of women are aware of the dire plight of a lot (not all for sure) of men in contemporary society–but perhaps they don’t quite know how to put their finger on just what the problem is. Almost all women are inordinately fond of men and can appreciate their (our) struggles. And yes, one of the biggest problems is that talking about this sort of thing is seriously looked down on.
Random thought of the day:
The Man Control movement is similar to the Gun Control movement.
Maybe a film like this can be a good start, but I don’t know. Even as a sheltered, conservative man I have to fight back against the kind of fear one feels of dark places just to watch the trailer and agree in principle with the idea that there might be a problem. If they’ve gotten to me (born Texan, sailor, submariner) then men who have lived in the real world must be really beaten into submission. I’ve got some thoughts to work through after watching that and experiencing the feelings I did.
Men* can. Boys in public schools run by feminists can’t.
*Unless they’re in a situation where the only thing that counts is a vote or a lawyer.
But I thought men were taller…
The last, best hope is for conservative women, like the OP, and each of the others commenting on this conversation to stand up (like this) to the feminist orthodoxy, stand athwart history and yell “Stop”. Yell “Stop” on behalf of your husbands, sons, brothers, fathers, grandfathers, etc. and speak out against the prevailing political correctness that is poisoning our society. Yes, the men need to do our part as well. However, it falls on deaf ears without female voices echoing the same words.
There absolutely was a need for Women’s Movement in the 1970’s (see St. Pope John Paul II’s “New Feminism”: rediscovering the beauty of ‘being a woman’), but what remains today, is a Modern “Feminism” that bears no resemblance to the former and which Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia rightfully assert should be “demolished”.
Thanks for the article! I’m trying to get Cassie Jaye on the Smart Girl Politics podcast, but haven’t had any luck yet making contact. I am intrigued to hear more about her journey!
You folk do realize that MRAs and MGTOW are considered part of the Alt-Right? That assembly of groups have not gotten much love here on Ricochet recently. The #NeverTrump group has been very hostile toward them and I expect we will all be asked to disavow the Alt-Right before this thread is thru.
I’ve heard two separate calls to disavow the Alt-Right in the past week. Post-election life is going to be interesting!
Do they consider themselves part of the alt-right, or are you just lumping them in because they are outside the mainstream?
Yes.
People get shot who shouldn’t, so they see the solution as getting rid of guns. They think the result will be fewer shootings, but instead they just leave good people defenseless.
Men sometimes do bad things, so they try to discredit masculinity in general. They think this will result in fewer sexual assault, disrespect towards women, and wife beatings.
Instead, the idiots who need to be controlled just ignore all the sensitivity seminars and NFL commercials (just like gun laws), but lots of decent men listen just a bit too well and become ashamed of even being a man.
So just like the decent citizens who find themselves disarmed in the face of felonious gun owners, we find ourselves with eunuchs altogether incapable of stopping destructive men.
Only decent armed citizens can sufficiently stop criminals, and only decent strong men can stop savage men from wreaking havoc. In each case leftism merely strips us of our best defense.
Many of them do think of themselves as alt-right
That would be a great podcast, I hope it works out. She also did an interview with Sargon of Aakad so I assume she’d be open to it
Depends on the faction within the MR movement. Half are committed liberals who are just anti-feminist to one degree or another
So if you are jumping into say avoiceformen.com you are probably in the liberal wing.
If you primarily read dalrock, you are talking extreme christian traditionalist faction.
As one who believes the alt-right is largely misunderstood (and I don’t consider myself a part of it), I’ll grant that there is considerable overlap.
Which in no way should in and of itself discredit what they have to say. Labels and guilt by association don’t determine the correctness of any particular view, and it’s perfectly possible to be right on one issue and wrong on another.
It does sound persuasive at first when someone points out, like they did in the video, that most of the people in power are men: most of Congress, most CEO’s, etc. That’s true as far as it goes.
But that’s a very small group! I’m not one of them! I’m just an average working Joe who’s trying to pay his bills, keep his wife happy, and who hopes to be able to retire some day. The fact that all these other powerful people are men does not help me at all.
Don’t know. Really don’t know much about the Alt-Right but various Ricocettes seem determined to educate me by post links to Alt-Right web sites and some of these group the men’s sites as part of the Alt-Right.
I actually think the Alt-Right is not really a thing. It looks to me that there are a handful of lesser social media platforms that some fringe groups have used to communicate such as Reddit, 4chan, 8chan where freedom of speech is more tolerated. They have used these platforms to do some organization. Some of the bigger of these groups are anti semitic, nationalists, men’s rights, etc. The left considers those things as right wing and have labeled all groups on these platforms as Alt-Right and these groups have taken it as a badge of honor. Some of these folk seem to be big fans of rules for radicals so taking the term as a badge of honor fits their code. The thing is I have always known about these communities. They have been on the web since before it was named. It is only in the last few month in relation to this election that I have heard them grouped and called one thing and connected to the right.
Sounds like an interesting movie. Are any women interviewed init? I’m thinking people like Karen Straughan or Diana Davison (for fun).
Karen Straughan is in it
If you are looking for smart women to talk about men’s issues and the women who love them, Janet Bloomfield is fun:
Also best blog name in the world: http://judgybitch.com/