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Decius Has Responded
Decius Responds to Critiques of Flight 93
Published in GeneralWell that was unexpected.
Everything I said in “The Flight 93 Election” was derivative of things I had already said, with (I thought) more vim and vigor, in a now-defunct blog. I assumed the new piece would interest a handful of that blog’s remaining fans and no one else. My predictive powers proved imperfect.
Which should cheer everyone who hated what I said: if I was wrong about the one thing, maybe I’m wrong about the others. But let me take the various objections in ascending order of importance.
End quoted response from Ben Boychuk
Now that’s a smackdown.
Weren’t Republicans winning most elections for the past few years. Was I, like Rick in “Casablanca,” misinformed?
Haven’t many of the movement conservatives on Ricochet made the argument repeatedly that the GOP controls more House seats than in 50 years, that the GOP has picked up over 900 state legislative slots in the past 7 years. that the GOP controls both legislative bodies in more states than ever before and that Obama has “decimated” the Democratic Party’s “bench” by leading it to one electoral rout after another? Isn’t the US Senate in Republican hands?
The people have spoken, the conservative traditional American people, by winning elections. They spoke in the early 1990s about immigration rights in California. They spoke a few years ago in the same state about what defined a marriage. They spoke via Jan Brewer and John McCain (“Just build the danged fence!”) in Arizona about border security. They spoke in North Carolina this year. They continue to speak, as detailed above. But their votes are not heeded.
Liberals vote too. They vote for more food stamps, higher school budgets, bigger governments, and more social programs in the areas where they predominate. And they get them.
Which is why, year in and year out, Democrats when polled express greater satisfaction with their party than Republicans do with theirs, even though we’re winning more elections.
Apparently we have been voting liberal robots into office. Shame on us! however:
Forget giving a damn – Remember when you could count on hearing the word assimilation in any discussion of immigration?
No more. The multicultural regime has made it “crime thought” and most discussions on Ricochet never utter it.
With good reason – You can’t assimilate a continuous, massive inflow of foreigners, any more than you can mop up a flood with the faucet still open, especially when your country’s own elite is alienated from its common people, its history and its religion.
The plumber likes how the water feels on his feet. And his own house is on higher ground than yours.
I’m perfectly fine with continuing to vote combative conservatives into office. This year I will happily vote for Donald Trump and Pat Toomey.
All I want is for the decisions they make about laws they enact or those they repeal or defeat to stand. I do not want some higher authority to tell me that I have to follow the opposite of the rules my representatives – or my winning vote in a referendum – have passed.
That is the essence of limited, republican government. Its absence is why we live, in Mark Levin’s as well as Decius’s words, in a post-Constitutional time.
Its absence is the system we have in place today, the rigged game that Trump threatens. And if you don’t think he threatens it, see how universally the managerial and administrative elite despise him.
A man will almost always defend what he depends on, and the bureaucratic elite depends on the oligarchic state.
Don’t blame Republicans for the Democrats moving hard left. The Left is literally fighting for their lives on immigration. They know that white liberals and homosexuals don’t win in the demographic game. So, its immigration or bust for them. I’m tired of hearing from guys like MrFlight 93 that there aren’t vast differences between parties. We didn’t need Trump to save us. Unfortunately, thats what too many got suckered into believing by conservative media.
Nah, Its because conservatives are naturally more negative. Conservative media is based on raging about even the slightest defeat….while liberal media is based on keeping liberals smug even in the face of repeated losses. Not sure which is better.
Ford Motor Company, the one American OEM that managed its business prudently enough to not require a massive bailout from the federal government, announced yesterday that it was moving production of small, low-priced cars to a low-cost country where they could manufacture them at a profit.
Trump’s response:
Ponder that response for second. We shouldn’t allow it to happen. The Federal Government should not allow a private company, the one company in its industry that did not need a massive infusion of capital from the federal government, to decide where it should manufacture a portion of its product line.
Didn’t someone asked early what evidence we had that Trump wouldn’t obey the constitution, here is some pretty strong evidence. Yet, according Decius, we need to elect the authoritarian central planner to keep the authoritarian central planner from the office because if the authoritarian central planner gets in office, our country is over.
The real flight 93 election was the Republican Primary, and the country lost.
We shouldn’t allow that to happen. We should have a 0% tax rate for companies. Maybe more of them would keep stuff here. We shouldn’t allow that to happen through saner work laws. The government should not prop up unions.
Now, I am more than willing to agree that Trump meant the government should stop it. However, I would argue, the government is a big part of what is causing the move in the first place.
I agree with the second part. It would have been very easy to say that if we want American companies to move more jobs here, we need to change the punitive tax laws and regulatory regimes that incentivize companies to move their production overseas.
The problem, I think is, Trump doesn’t really believe that – Trump just thinks the government should tell companies how to run their business. This is not an aberration in Trump’s positions, this is simply how he thinks we can make America great again, by centrally-planning the economy. And, far too many of the EverTrumpers agree with him that central planning can work just fine if you have a great brain doing to planning.
Trump is an authoritarian central-planner, and if you agree with Decius that Trump is our hope of salvation for this country, you are effectively saying that authoritarian central planning is our only hope.
If you think authoritarian central planning is the problem (as I do), there is no one to vote for in this election that will make the country better (not even Gary Johnson, the allegedly libertarian candidate.)
Thus my holding of my nose. Someone is going to win, might as well go with the central planner that does not think I am deplorable. (And is not a pot smoker).
Why do you have to vote at all? Can’t you leave it blank?
There are many more was to change Ford’s mind on this than usurping dictatorial powers. Unless you think ‘the bully pulpit’ is now an impeachable offense.
Saying Ford shouldn’t do it is using the bully pulpit. Saying the government should not allow them to do it is dictatorial.
I know you think the government telling private businesses where they should locate their manufacturing is patriotic, but we will continue to disagree on that.
I don’t think that is a fair take on @tkc11011 ‘s stance on trade.
Or @TKC1101‘s either.
Here are some threads/podcasts from the last month that at least mention the subject in the OP. Several of them have been on the Main Feed.
Second.
This is what kills me about Trump. It’s a serious, important news item that absolutely plays into his campaign. But rather than use it to point out how Obama/Clinton is driving American business abroad through taxes, regulations, mandates, etc., he turns it into an attack on Ford his usual bogeymen and claims that we “shouldn’t allow it to happen.”
Allow.
I do not think it should be backed by the force of law, but every citizen is allowed an opinion. Stating your opinion is within all of our rights. Stating your opinion when you are President is within their rights. Citizens thinking the company is a bunch of scum and not buying their product is within their rights.
If I can be called a racist by the DOJ, then Ford can take one too.
Tom, from one standpoint you are right, but from the audience in Michigan, Ohio and the rustbelt, Ford is the villain here. They are the idiots who put out a press release on moving small car manufacturing to Mexico with no awareness how that puts then in the gunsights. Some PR guy should get shot.
The audience knows Ford will lay them off, not Hillary.
They want someone who will treat Ford as a villain, and they will vote for Trump. He is in the turnout phase. Hillary is killing herself, he needs to give vote for reasons to that group. Plus, the audience knows Hillary is owned by their union who cooked the deal with Ford. They are not stupid.
You want to win the blue collar, Globalist corporations are their enemy.
Except no one is getting laid off. Those plants are being retooled for midsize and fullsize car production. In fact Ford plans to increase is US workforce over the next 10 years.
So who exactly is giving up in the face of the inability to persuade people to their way of thinking? If you can’t beat the progressives join them?
TKC has consistently been pretty vocal against free trade and frequently uses the term “Patriot” to distinquish himself from those who support free trade.
I can live with TKC thinking I am unpatriotic.
okay, this makes no sense. Now listed as an unidentified non sequitur.
I expect the autoworkers have less trust than you do given past performance, but go for it.
Note:
Insult.Well the President of Ford has made a public statement to that effect so you can continue to play on peoples fears if you want I guess.
Works well for most authoritarians.Ahem
Textbook progressive tactics.