GLoP Culture with Goldberg, Long, and Podhoretz
Episode 22: Quite The Rumpus

Jonah Goldberg, Rob Long, and John Podhoretz
Nov 6, 2013
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The men of GLoP finally don their headphones to serve up another steaming helping of pop culture, politics, and prescience. This week, they warn us as to what life will be like under Mayor DeBlasio, debate the value and effects on Twitter, riff on Ender’s Game and Captain Phillips and the many (many) loves of John Podhoretz. 

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  1. Israel P.

    Rob, Obama is not two steps behind. He is way ahead. The Obamacare disaster is intended, so that while he is still in office, the mess will be so great that people will beg for single-payer and he will midwife it.

  2. Basil Fawlty

    Jim Angle of Fox News shouldn’t have been surprised that the Obamacare call center identified him as a member of the news media when he called them with his Fox News caller ID blocked.  As a general rule, blocking caller ID doesn’t work when calling a toll-free number.

  3. Breitheamh

    Apropos ofMiller’s Crossing  and JPod’s checkered romantic past, as Gabriel Byrne’s character Tommy Reagan once said, “Nobody knows anybody. Not that well.”

  4. Look Away

    I as well enjoy Glop. But it is really very evident that Rob living alone (assumed) must be have an effect as neither Jonah or John couldn’t start a sentence without Rob jumping in and taking over the conversation.  Rob, get another dog or something. 

    Evan, many thanks for the correction of the healthcare faux pas in the podcast. Britain has a private healthcare system as well for those who can pay. Remember it was the UK that told Canada and Hillarycare the biggest mistake you can make is to have a separate private healthcare system that competes with the socialized one. They will always be compared and socialized model always looses. This is why Canada has no private system other than the US.  By the way, I was surprised with all of the talk of the website failure, it was not mentioned that the British NHS just trashed its $17Billion, 10 year investment of its national medical records data base and authorized local hospitals to go out and buy their own systems.

    Also, I heard that Jim Angle used his personal private cell phone and was identified, is this wrong?

  5. Hank Rhody
    Evan Pokroy: The whole issue of Xenocide and the bugs being unwitting assailants only came about in the later books (… As a stand alone novel, there is NO moral relativism and the bugs are portrayed as genocidal maniacs from start to finish.

    I’m given to understand the original novella didn’t, but when he expanded it into the book he anticipated Speaker for the Dead to be even better, and he put in a lot of blather to set that up.

    “There was no memory of pain or fear, though. What the hive-queen felt was sadness, a sense of resignation. (…) The humans did not forgive us, she thought. We will surely die.”

    “We did not mean to murder, and when we understood, we never came again. We thought we were the only thinking beings in the universe until we met you”

    Excellent podcast, by the way. I laughed pretty hard at Hunka Hunka Bolshevik love

  6. Hank Rhody
    EJHill

    David Williamson: There’s a bit of artistic licence, here – 3 cockpits? · 

    A few words about this week’s GLoP art: · 7 hours ago

    • Given the nature of the discussion of John’s pre-marriage life, you don’t want to know the details of some of the original proposals.

    • There’s a 50-foot ape standing on the Empire State Building and the most unusual thing in the picture isthreecockpits?

    Did you see Sharknado? Did you notice how in Hurricane socked LA where tornadoes flinging sharks can be defeated by propane bombs, that all the chainsaws start with one pull? I did.

  7. Basil Fawlty
    Look Away:

    Also, I heard that Jim Angle used his personal private cell phone and was identified, is this wrong? · 22 minutes ago

    He said he called from an unlisted number and gave his personal cell as his phone.  I assume he called from a Fox land line with blocked caller ID and only gave his cell phone number as a call-back number.  But I believe even personal and private cell phones will display caller ID when calling a toll-free number.

  8. Richard Fulmer

    John, you’ve got to be careful what you say around Rob and Jonah.  Their motto is: “No slack cut.  We shoot our cripples.”

  9. Frank Soto
    C

    After John, no other man would do…

  10. Hartmann von Aue

    Nice use of “Mayor of Simpleton”. 

  11. Hartmann von Aue
    Blue Yeti: It’s Mayor of Simpleton. · 3 minutes ago

    Hartmann von Aue: Nice use of “Major of Simpleton”.  · 5 minutes ago

    I know. My brain is stuck on German orthography and audio perception. I just wrote “bold” for “bolt” and “beld” for “belt” and have been doing so since I got back. 

  12. lisa smillie

    Thank you Jonah for making it okay for me to revel in the deliciousness that unfolds everyday on O-Care.

    Even better was the image of Obama as Bob Hope in a hippie wig clutching his Blackberry.  #nothip #notmodern

    The podcast and this thread serve to confirm how lucky I am not to have seen Starship Troopers or Ender’s Game.

  13. David Williamson

    There’s a bit of artistic licence, here – 3 cockpits?

  14. Bryan Van Blaricom
    Okay, while I enjoy GLoP Culture very much, John’s casual dismissal of Starship Troopers as a book about a “fascist, militaristic” society set my teeth on edge to such a degree that I had to write a clarification. I will admit at the start that I am a long time Science Fiction and Heinlein fan. Heinlein was something of a libertarian but Starship Troopers was a very conservative book. The society of Juan Rico (the main character) was, in fact, a democratic society and may even have been a republic. The main difference between his society and ours was that, in order to be eligible to run for office or vote, you had to be a veteran. Please note that active military members were also barred from running for office or voting; you had to complete your service first in order to earn your citizenship. It didn’t matter in what capacity you served, either. Front line, clerk or janitor, as long as you served in some capacity you were granted citizenship and voting privileges. People who chose not to serve were treated as green card holders currently are in the U.S. (continued…)
  15. Bryan Van Blaricom
    (continued from #3) The key SF element of the book, the one on which the society was based, was the development of an actual, working moral calculous in which correct moral actions could be mathematically proven. Whether such a thing is possible is not relevant to the plot; it was posited as having been developed in the story. When a student in Juan’s class near the start of the book asked his teacher why their society had been built the way it had he was given a simple answer (because it works) and a more complex one based on the moral calculous which gave a mathematical proof that their society’s actions were the most appropriate for its members. This whole society is used as a background for the story of the growth of a callow young recruit into a capable infantryman and officer, but the story also provided a lot of commentary on what a society should expect of its citizens, and what the citizens should expect of their society. (continued…)
  16. Bryan Van Blaricom
    (continued from #4) I consider it to be something of a seminal work and all of the fans of the book of which I am aware absolutely despise the Verhoeven movie as a twisted aberation that uses the trappings of Heinlein’s classic in support of what is almost violence porn.
  17. EJHill
    David Williamson: There’s a bit of artistic licence, here – 3 cockpits? · 

    A few words about this week’s GLoP art:

    • Given the nature of the discussion of John’s pre-marriage life, you don’t want to know the details of some of the original proposals.

    • There’s a 50-foot ape standing on the Empire State Building and the most unusual thing in the picture is three cockpits?
  18. Evan Pokroy

    Okay, I’m going to have John to task on several egregious errors in this week’s show. The first is something of a technical point about Ender’s Game. The whole issue of Xenocide and the bugs being unwitting assailants only came about in the later books in the series, which, pardon my French, sucked, certainly in comparison to the first book. As a stand alone novel, there is NO moral relativism and the bugs are portrayed as genocidal maniacs from start to finish. 

    The other major factual error made was about the Israeli health care system. While there is a large single payer component, it isn’t the same as the UK or Canada. Every worker pays a health tax as well as a social security tax. The health tax is used to pay for most types of health care while the social security pays for hospitalization. So far, so good. The difference is there are four privately run health funds that compete to provide health care services, and the competition is fierce. Certain things are covered by law and yes, there is some rationing for high cost services. (continued)

  19. Evan Pokroy

    (continued from above)

    This is the minimum health care provided to all citizens. Includes most regular doctor visits, some specialists, most emergency care, including common surgeries etc., and you have to use only doctors who work with that specific fund, unless you need hospitalization which is then covered separately by the state. It’s pretty good, but not “Cadillac” care. All the funds also offer, privately, different levels of extended care packages. These include a much wider range of benefits, including a wider range of options for surgeries, transplants, elective procedures, alternative medicine, in home care, and more. In some cases it also includes going to private doctors. There is also a completely private health insurance market (like the one provided by my employer) which is a further extension of the health fund coverage, with many more options and much larger caps on expenditures, especially for procedures that require travel out of the country. 

    As far as the private medical market goes, it is 100% legal. Everyone is free to pay whatever medical expenses they want out of pocket. This includes hospitalization. Most hospitals provide, at a cost, private rooms, nurses, your choice of doctors and better food. (continued)

  20. Evan Pokroy

    (continued from above)

    So, while I am always impressed with John’s erudition, I’m sorry to say his knowledge of the Israeli health care market is stuck somewhere in 70s. 

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