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Important Development in the Fight to Save Our History
In New Mexico, a militia decided to protect a statue from domestic terrorists while the police did absolutely nothing (they were most likely ordered to stand down). During the course of this confrontation, a man (who may or may not have been part of the militia) who was trying to prevent the ‘protesters’ from toppling the statue was attacked, and after trying to get away was forced to shoot one of the ‘protesters’ in self-defense. Naturally, the mayor and governor are now trying to cook up charges against both the patriot and (other?) militia members.
This is an important development for two reasons: first, this is not the first time a militia (organized or not) of private citizens have defended a statue from the brownshirt mob in the past couple of days, this has also happened in Philadelphia and Kentucky. This is a sign that people are beginning to realize what must be done in response to the totalitarian Left’s mob intimidation tactics, while the latter are aided, abetted, and legally protected by the Democrat party and local officials. Conservatives in particular must learn to embrace such actions in the cultural dystopia and ideological oligarchy of present-day America. I will come right out and say it: we need armed, organized groups like this to protect our rights, property, and basic safety, and this state of affairs will not change in the near future, even if Trump wins. The people who reflexively criticize or condemn groups like the Proud Boys (much less armed patriots) need to wake up, the new Civil War has turned from cold to lukewarm (at best). If one is unhappy with the characteristics or leadership of any particular citizen militia, then form a more agreeable alternative– but never try to deny the right of private citizens to organize and act in this capacity, it is our duty and our birthright as heirs to the American Revolution.
The second reason this is an important development is that the Left is once again seeking to intimidate conservatives from taking meaningful action such as this through selective and extralegal ‘law’ enforcement. We must not let this happen, and conservatives must give the same kind of support (legal, moral, and monetary) to these citizen militias as was given to people in the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s, as we currently face the same sort of challenges.
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Incidentally, the shooter was apparently a fan of Ben Shapiro, who the Left is now trying to cancel. As the Google monopoly has recently threatened to remove ads from The Federalist in response to Leftist agitation, this is no minor threat: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=387784
First they came for Alex Jones…..and decorum conservatives refused to do a dang thing, because ‘optics’ and ‘not the hill to die on’. And now here we are.
I think it is both unfortunate and nuts that this post is reasonable. Why in hell won’t our governments do their job?
@DIMENSION7 tweeted this:
Politicians feed off the open wounds of society. Why would they ever fix their cash cow?
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I’m firmly on the side, as I think all conservatives should be, of those who were trying to prevent the statue from being toppled.
Oh, yes. Many here on Ricochet refused to acknowledge what seems obvious and mocked us when we said they were coming for us next.
They are. Won’t be long before Ricochet is cancelled.
Especially if the police won’t.
I might say “especially if.” Last time they just screamed at the sky. This time they will burn down the country.
Ace of Spades HQ today adroitly characterized the Left’s actions with regard to Alex Jones as the Proof of Concept.
He is toast.
They run every single institution. We are looking at mob rule, were the 51% tell the rest of us we can just die.
We have lost the fight for the Republic. Mostly, I might add, thanks to Never Trumpers and Rinos who never actually were willing to fight.
Sold out and stabbed in the back by our own “side”. Except they never were on our side.
The battle isn’t over yet. Perhaps God will choose to bless & protect America. I also am not convinced that 51% of American voters will choose suicide. The conservative position is the actual moderate position.
If you give in to despair, you are helping the Left just like people who refuse to vote in decisive elections. Giving in to despair is like signing up for the Bulwark – that’s what the Left wants. The more conservatives who give up, the sooner the Left wins, which is why the work hard to establish that they are invincible. They convinced me that Trump was doooooooooomed, but he defied their expectations.
Every time I think about giving up, I imagine the antifa non-binary rainbow-haired soyboy scumbags laughing at me. And I resolve not to surrender.
No. Dude. It’s a statue. It’s not somebody’s house or business. It’s nuts to go out there with guns and defend it. It’s a losing strategy. Shoot the people looting your business and breaking into your home, sure. Shoot those people right in the face! Fine. A public statue nobody knew was there until five minutes ago? Leave it to the cops. Will the mob take over the public spaces? Maybe. Then people will call for the cops and we win. It’s not a winning strategery to defend public art with guns and militia. If they break into libraries and burn books, then maybe I’m on board.
Nostalgic, it’s more than just a statue. It’s a piece of history, it’s a thing of pride for some, it’s a gift from the past. I think these statues are worth defending. Mobs are insatiable.
Agreed, its also a form of political terrorism, its intended to intimidate and demoralize, not only through the action itself but by the known lack of prosecution for the politically connected crime.
The burning of the bookstores, along with the neighborhoods that housed the bookstores all began with mobs overturning statues.
“We need to be down with destroying history” was the philosophy behind Charlottesville, the summer of 2017. That sentiment was echoed across the burnt out neighborhoods of over 8 American cities, May 27 thru June 12th, 2020.
It’s crazy to go and pull down a statue. It’s just as crazy to defend the statue with guns. It’s already illegal to destroy the statue. Just push local prosecutors to prosecute.
You have free speech and venues aplenty to voice your opinion. You have public officials that must stand for election (aside from Federal judges) in every branch of government from The local dog catcher on up to the Congress and the President. You have open courts all around you. You have more ability than any human being that ever lived to find people of like mind to join with and petition your government.
You are the freest people who have ever lived and you live better than the riches medieval king could ever have dreamed of.
And for some reason you want to take up arms and have a bunch of little militias running around looking for grievances. It’s crazy. We’ll end up like Syria if people start to give in to this nonsense.
The local prosecutors will not prosecute. The local police will stand by. The local politicians will celebrate them. We also do not have free speech, we have tech monopolies that collude to censor and restrict what conservatives have to say. Payment processors that blackball business at the whim of Leftist agitators. A corporate oligarchy that uniformly supports domestic terrorists and radical, Orwellian hate groups, in word and in deed. Above all else, we have approximately half a country that to some degree supports those same groups and ideologies, a totalitarian agenda that seeks to deprive others of rights under cover of unequally enforced law. Finally, we’ve had a three-week long kristallnacht, with no true end in sight.
These are not normal times, and won’t be for a very long time.
What if the cops are ordered to stand down? There’s a lot of statue destruction and monument defacing going on, and I don’t see any cops trying to stop it. I assume they’ve been ordered not to.
They’re burning bookstores.
And if they won’t? Because I see a lot of statues coming down, and I don’t see a lot of prosecutin’ going on.
We never win.
I am not the problem, Never Trump is.
The Republic is over because the people on the Right with power and voice won’t fight back. Just like Ricohet.
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Giving up means accepting to coming sectarian war. Time to prepare. The SoiBois will gett chewed up.
If police would do their job (or if mayors and chiefs would order them to do their job), we wouldn’t need armed citizens to do it for them.
I agree. It is not about the statue, it is about the rule-of-law and democracy. If the people in a town choose to remove a statue through official government action that is good. If there are mobs taking action, then that degrades civilization. Mobs beget more mobs.
This is a key consideration. Elections can determine many things, but not the foundation of law and order. Protection of public property, whether parks and statues or businesses and courthouses, is non-negotiable. The basic functions of police cannot be subject to elections.
If police (under orders or not) fail to provide basic protections, any citizen may step up for basic defense (unofficial prosecutions, ala lynch mobs, are not basic defense). Even under good and normal circumstances, police are not omnipresent and must be supplemented by self-defense, neighborhood defense.
If officials arrest such citizens acting moderately and responsibly, then the judicial process should run its course.
If the jury process repeatedly proves as careless of justice as local officials, then that local government is truly lost and legal processes become irrelevant.
Some local reporting that I’ve seen is that the militia is saying he wasn’t part of their group. People in the local Reddit group are claiming that the shooter had shoved a women in the crowd and some guys went to defend her. Most backed off when they realized that he was armed. Some continued on to beat him with skateboards and one maybe had a knife. If that’s proven, I don’t know how a self-defense case could be won.
The mayor caved to the mob and had the statue removed yesterday morning. Another statue of Oñate in Alcalde, New Mexico was taken down on Monday, for safe keeping from a planned protest.
Even if the government does approve the removal, it must not be to placate the mob. There ought to be a year-long “cooling off” period before beginning the discussion of removal, be it a flag, song, painting, or statue . . .
Two separate incidents here. The initial shoving of the woman, and the use of a firearm in self-defense. The shooter has disengaged and was removing himself from the scene after shoving the woman. He was chased by a group yelling “we’re gonna f—ing kill you!” and beaten over the head with a skateboard.
At this point self-defense with deadly force may be an option. I think it is, but others may disagree.
When one of the group pulls a knife, deadly force is unquestionably justified. Indeed, the shooter doesn’t draw his weapon until he sees the knife. Then he draws and eliminates the threat.
So, charge him for the initial assault on the woman. Charge the others with assault with a deadly weapon. No charge for the shooting, as it was clearly self-defense and a justified use of deadly force.
It takes a little while, as with many crimes, to figure out who is who and who to charge with which specific crimes.
Prosecutors are elected officials. If they’re not doing their jobs, vote them out, campaign against them, etc.
Some folks want to jump right to armed gangs because the local prosecutor is hesitant, or slow, to go after certain vandals? That’s insane, and as big a threat to law and order as the vandals.
That works until the cops either won’t or (more likely) can’t do it.
And yet the statue is still destroyed. Prosecution is after-the-fact action. I want to stop them from destroying our culture in the first place.
Nothing like a pity party. I thought us Never Trumpers were irrelevant? But here we are bringing you all down? Ha! We will see Trump and all of Trumpism laid to waste. We got nothing to lose and a whole lot of vengeance to dole out. The score settling begins, and our albino assassins are ready to emerge from their Neocon caves to hunt every last one of you down. While us elite Never Trumers sip our Georgetown cocktails nibbling on imported cheese.
You people live in such a melodramatic state? Does it ever get tiring to constantly be hyperventilating? Do your hands get sore from clutching so tightly to your pearls?
Once one cuts themselves of from the whole “Conservative” media bubble and looks out on the real world that we actually live in, instead of the imaginary one you have all constructed for yourselves you see that your fear and paranoia are just that. But I guess you guys need your daily fix of paranoia and the Conservative Inc Media Establishment at Fox News, Salem, and so forth are all happy to keep feeding you your daily does of nonsense.
Let me solve your worries about the man in question from the OP? If he is charged with a crime he will get to plead his case for self defense to a jury of his piers, all of whom will have to agree to his guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. I think his odds are very good of not going to jail.
The vandals want to use violence, in this case the destruction of a symbol, to define the culture. Those in opposition are willing to use violence, in this case armed resistance to the destruction of the symbol, to define the culture. Count me out of all of this. I don’t trust either group with the culture, or anything else.