Lies We Tell

 

I was inspired by @nickh, who wrote: “Things we tell our kids that are technically true but [are] completely wrong.” Here was his example: “Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.”

Yup. Words hurt plenty. Here is another one that makes me crazy: You are what you eat.

This stupid mantra is singularly responsible for generations of idiotic diets and health issues. You are not what you eat; your body converts what you eat into other things, so eating cholesterol does not necessarily give you high cholesterol. And besides, my physical body is not what I am. What a stupid and brain-dead idea that is. You are not what you eat: you are what you do.

And another: Life should be fair.

Nope. Not at all. And be thankful for it. Now get to work.

What are your favorite lies that people tell children (and each other)?

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  1. Arahant Member
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    iWe: You are not what you eat: your body converts what you eat into other things, so eating cholesterol does not necessarily give you high cholesterol.

    *Puts down the thesaurus he had been gnawing.*
    *Looks around to ensure none were watching.*

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  2. Arahant Member
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    iWe: What are your favorite lies that people tell children (and each other)?

    If you keep making that face, your face will stick that way.

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  3. iWe Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    iWe: What are your favorite lies that people tell children (and each other)?

    If you keep making that face, your face will stick that way.

    Wait: is that all wrong? Aren’t smile and frown lines and other creases created in part by smiling and frowning?

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  4. Arahant Member
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  5. Guruforhire Inactive
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    I believe that most things about human affairs are number of ideal/real paradoxes.

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  6. GLDIII Reagan
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    This won’t hurt. 

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  7. Arahant Member
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    GLDIII (View Comment):

    This won’t hurt.

    Or, “This is going to hurt me a lot more than it will hurt you.”

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  8. GLDIII Reagan
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    GLDIII (View Comment):

    This won’t hurt.

    Or, “This is going to hurt me a lot more than it will hurt you.”

    Unquantifiable relative measurement

     

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  9. Arahant Member
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    GLDIII (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    GLDIII (View Comment):

    This won’t hurt.

    Or, “This is going to hurt me a lot more than it will hurt you.”

    Unquantifiable relative measurement

    Which is why it’s a lie.

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  10. Matt Bartle Member
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    iWe:

    You are what you eat.

    This stupid mantra is singularly responsible for generations of idiotic diets and health issues. You are not what you eat: your body converts what you eat into other things, so eating cholesterol does not necessarily give you high cholesterol. And besides, my physical body is not what I am. What are stupid and brain-dead idea that is. You are not what you eat: you are what you do.

    I’m willing to let that one stand. Your body does do a lot of chemistry – it can rearrange the food molecules and such, but it has to work with the atoms you eat. If you don’t eat any iron, your body is going to suffer for its lack. It doesn’t do alchemy.

    And at least as far as rest of us are concerned, once your body’s gone or ceases to function, you are gone. You can’t do anything without it.

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  11. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    • There are no stupid questions.
    • Don’t worry about what the other kids think.” Research suggests that the correlation between childhood popularity and occupational achievement in adulthood is pretty dang strong. How else would one define “social skills” other than “taking the probable reactions of others into account before making decisions”?
    • Never be afraid to express yourself.” Educators often say this to trick kids into revealing ThoughtCrimes which can be used against them. You can’t determine which kids need to be reeducated if they don’t reveal what they really think.  Teachers are agents of the state, and you have the right to remain silent when questioned by the state.
    • Always stand up for what you believe.” See above.
    • Everybody benefits from musical training.”  There is an opportunity cost to all educational choices.  Time is a non-renewable resource, and time spent learning music could be spent learning a different skill, which may or may not be more marketable over the long-term depending on the individual’s occupational choices. e.g. If you can only take one arts class and your probable career path involves visual communications in any way, even if it’s merely putting together Powerpoint presentations, then visual arts would likely provide better long-term value than music would.
    • More generally, “Everybody needs to learn x.”  In many cases, as the percentage of people who know increases, the value of knowing x decreases due to knowledge inflation.  In many cases it’s a much better option to learn something that other people aren’t learning, even at the expense of remaining ignorant about x.  e.g. Sherlock Holmes didn’t know that the Earth revolves around the Sun, because he determined that basic astronomy wasn’t a sufficiently-valuable area of knowledge for a consulting detective to expend precious resources reading up on.
    • Follow your dreams.” In reality, whatever your dream it’s probable that a huge percentage of your time will be spent on business and administration.  Artists need to sell their work.  Social activists need to ensure their organization’s finances are taken care of.  Political organizers need to manage their volunteers effectively. Etc. If your dreams revolve around any such non-traditional career path, then it’s likely your best bet for long-term success is a business degree.  You can always take courses in your true love as electives.
    • Violence never solves anything.”  Try telling that to a bouncer.  However, it is true that if you’re the one that gets dragged into the fight, you’re probably not much a of a winner.  The real winners employ people to engage in violence on their behalf.  You want to be the bar owner, not the bouncer.
    • The end doesn’t justify the means.”  There is only one end for all of us, and we won’t learn what it is until we die.  If that end is to your satisfaction, it follows that the means must have been justified.
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  12. Frank Soto Member
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    iWe: I was inspired by @nickh, who wrote: Things we tell our kids that are technically true but [are] completely wrong. Here was his example: Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

    @nickh is stealing my lines!

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  13. Arahant Member
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    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    iWe: I was inspired by Nick H, who wrote: Things we tell our kids that are technically true but [are] completely wrong. Here was his example: Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

    Nick H is stealing my lines!

    He was saying that was a lie.

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  14. I Shot The Serif Member
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    I’ve never heard anyone say “Life should be fair.” I thought that was just an implicit belief that children have.

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  15. Arahant Member
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    I Shot The Serif (View Comment):

    I’ve never heard anyone say “Life should be fair.” I thought that was just an implicit belief that children have.

    The usual formulation is either, “That’s not fair!” or “It’s not fair!”

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  16. I Shot The Serif Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    I Shot The Serif (View Comment):

    I’ve never heard anyone say “Life should be fair.” I thought that was just an implicit belief that children have.

    The usual formulation is either, “That’s not fair!” or “It’s not fair!”

    Child: “It’s not fair!”
    Parent: “Life isn’t fair.”

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  17. GLDIII Reagan
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    I Shot The Serif (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    I Shot The Serif (View Comment):

    I’ve never heard anyone say “Life should be fair.” I thought that was just an implicit belief that children have.

    The usual formulation is either, “That’s not fair!” or “It’s not fair!”

    Child: “It’s not fair!”
    Parent: “Life isn’t fair.”

    There you go, you are now ready for parenthood.

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  18. iWe Coolidge
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    I hear this one from “counselors”:

    You can trust me.

    Nuh-uh. My kids are under strict instructions to NEVER talk to the “counselor” at their high school. Never, ever, never. My kids quite like the freedom to entirely ignore an adult. There is no way that the secular touchy-feely “counselor” whose opening lines are always about trusting him and opening up, etc., can possibly “get” my home-schooled, religious fundamentalist, deeply conservative, self-controlled, highly principled kids. There is no upside.

    No, you cannot trust any non-parent adult who says they can be trusted.

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  19. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    One could argue that life is fair.  Every cell has a more-or-less equal chance of survival.  Differentiation beings to happen when cells congregate into multi-cellular organisms, but that doesn’t disprove life’s fundamental fairness at the cellular level.

    ;-)

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  20. iWe Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Brilliant!

    • There are no stupid questions.

    Yup. There sure are!

    • Never be afraid to express yourself.” Educators often say this to trick kids into revealing ThoughtCrimes which can be used against them. You can’t determine which kids need to be reeducated if they don’t reveal what they really think. Teachers are agents of the state, and you have the right to remain silent when questioned by the state.

    Yes! Which is why I wrote on “you can trust me.”

    • Always stand up for what you believe in.” See above.

    I never tell my kids that. They are MUCH smarter about picking fights than I ever was. If someone offered an argument, I was all over that. Especially if the someone was an authority figure. I burned a lot of bridges! Still do…

    • More generally, “Everybody needs to learn x.

    Yes. I have relatives who believe everyone needs to learn Coding or some other thing. It is nonsense on stilts.

    • Violence never solves anything.” However, it is true that if you’re the one that gets dragged into the fight, you’re probably not much a of a winner. The real winners employ people to engage in violence on their behalf. You want to be the bar owner, not the bouncer.

    Violence solves a lot. The threat of violence solves even more. It is at the heart of my highly advanced and sensitive parenting skills. And it really works.

     

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  21. iWe Coolidge
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    I Shot The Serif (View Comment):

    I’ve never heard anyone say “Life should be fair.” I thought that was just an implicit belief that children have.

    Oh, all right. I was reaching. I imagine that people must say that. But you are right.

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  22. Pilli Inactive
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    I’m not sure about this one.  Is it true or a lie?

    If you don’t take the time to fix (or do) it right, you’ll make time to fix (or do) it over.  i.e. Don’t cut corners.

    I’ve seen way too many corners get cut with few or no consequences to the corner cutter to believe this one to be true.

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  23. Frank Soto Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    iWe: I was inspired by Nick H, who wrote: Things we tell our kids that are technically true but [are] completely wrong. Here was his example: Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

    Nick H is stealing my lines!

    He was saying that was a lie.

    That’s my line!

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  24. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    • There are no stupid questions.

    I like South Park’s take on this one: “There are no stupid questions. Just stupid people.”

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  25. iWe Coolidge
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    Vegetables are good for you.

    Nah. Do-gooders just hate plants.

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  26. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    iWe (View Comment):
    Yes. I have relatives who believe everyone needs to learn Coding or some other thing. It is nonsense on stilts.

    Welll…

    Strictly-speaking not everyone needs to learn how to read either, but it’s a dang good skill to have.

    Similarly, some basic training in how algorithms work is valuable in all sorts of occupations.  Machinists benefit from knowing how to program a CNC machine.  Administrative assistants benefit from knowing how to put together a basic spreadsheet, and they really benefit from learning even a little bit of Visual Basic.  Anybody that uses a computer can greatly improve their efficiency if they know just enough to throw together simple BAT or BASH scripts, and if you create anything online some basic knowledge of HTML and/or Javascript is definitely beneficial.

    In short, not everybody needs a degree in Computer Science, to be sure, but some knowledge of how algorithms work and the basic vocabulary of the most common scripting languages is rapidly becoming as basic an occupational skill as basic literacy and arithmetic are.

    Soooo…

    The corollary could therefore be, “if you don’t learn x you’d better dang well have a plan in place where x is not a requirement.”

    (e.g. I learned some BASIC on my Commodore 64, and I took a high school class in PASCAL.  I’ve never since had to program anything in BASIC or PASCAL, but I’m sure those formative experiences have helped me muddle through when I’ve had to throw together scripts in other languages.)

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  27. I Shot The Serif Member
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    “If you don’t behave, you’re walking home!”

    No one buys it.

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  28. Frank Soto Member
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    Umbra of Nex, Fractus (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    • There are no stupid questions.

    I like South Park’s take on this one: “There are no stupid questions. Just stupid people.”

    My mom’s version is better.

    “Stupid questions deserve stupid answers.”

    We were real popular with teachers, as you might imagine…

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  29. Matt Balzer Member
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    I Shot The Serif (View Comment):

    “If you don’t behave, you’re walking home!”

    No one buys it.

    I seem to recall my parents putting me out of the vehicle and pull away slowly once or twice. They eventually relented but I wasn’t going to see if they meant it or not.

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  30. Annefy Member
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    I Shot The Serif (View Comment):

    “If you don’t behave, you’re walking home!”

    No one buys it.

    My kids did. After it happened to them or a sibling. 

    My problem was with car pool kids misbehaving, but pulling the car over and simply waiting usually worked.

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