What If You Still Cannot Find Work?

 

“Economy, in Sweet Spot, Adds 313,000 Jobs. It May Get Sweeter.” — Washington Post

So, here I am, in month five of not working. Failed to land a client on my first pass at consulting. While my wife found a job after 15 years of not working, After 25 years of working, in the greatest recovery in that 25 years, I cannot get anyone even to interview me. I have taken advice. I have networked. I have submitted lord only knows how many resumes. I have changed my cover letter for jobs. I have met with a dozen people in “informational interviews.” Either I don’t hear back, I am told “someone else is better qualified” for jobs I could do in my sleep, or I get “You have a strong resume, and you are going to find something.”

Now, I am not using this thread to complain, for am I actually in better spirits than ever, all things considered. For one thing, I am almost walking normally. No, this thread is more about the general idea of those left behind. In a world gearing up for the millennial crowd, folks like me are left out. Oh, in theory, my age is a protected class, but age discrimination in the workplace is alive and well. Overqualified just means “you are going to cost too much.”

What I think conservatives need to acknowledge is that we have a culture where working is needed to survive. We value work, and rightly so. However, the fact I cannot find a job to hire me, even stuff I am very overqualified for, shows that “get a job” is not much of an answer. Sure, we can say that no employer owes anyone a job. But, what do we say to someone who plays by the rules, did nothing wrong to lose his job, and cannot find someplace to take his 25 years of experience? I have heard already all the advice on how to obtain a job. It has not worked. LinkedIn has a group full of people in my age range, and they all have similar tales to tell. So, I am not owed a job, and I have to earn it. Great. I did that and the outcome was losing a job I had earned, and thus far, no one will offer me another chance. Not even a chance at an interview.

What I expect to see in this thread, is lots of advice on that boils down to “well you must be doing it wrong.” Classic conservative response, which is to blame the person with no job. Believe me, I am doing everything I have been told to try, networking, and I am working hard, daily to launch by business, TalkForward. I do think that is my long term right path. I just have to try to support my family in the meantime (another conservative “should”).

I’d like to avoid the advice giving, and concentrate on what our message should be. Right now, we tell people they must work hard to get ahead, that they have no right to a job, and that if they work hard, they will get a job and succeed. OK, gang, I am a model of a hard worker, I am not lazy, I give my all to every task I am assigned. I worked from the bottom of an organization to the top. And it was taken away for nothing I did wrong. I am doing everything conservatives have told me to do, and I am not getting the American Dream. What do you tell someone like me, other than “Life is not fair?”

I feel if we cannot message better than this, then the Republican will always be the second party. I fear if we cannot find a message to address people like me, the left will always win in the long run, because it has a message to address it.

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  1. Skyler Coolidge
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    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    Which is why Hayek was a welfare statist.

    And which is why we have the problems we have today.  Hayek was brilliant in showing the dangers of socialism, calling it the “road to serfdom” and then he advocated an easement for a 6 lane highway to serfdom.

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  2. cdor Member
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    @bryangstephens, have you been watching Tucker Carlson? He has a segment on Wednesday called Men in America. It is very interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlnhxQly2Wg

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  3. cdor Member
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    And the second part, if you are interested:

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  4. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    HankMorgan (View Comment):
    It is a problem that every advanced country adopted the welfare state so there is no reasonable control group to compare against.

    Sure it is a problem when making analysis but if we assume some rationality in the choices societies make the fact that none lack a welfare state I think tells us something about what is or isn’t possible. If conservatives speak out against the foolishness of socialist utopianism, is it not possible that a welfareless paradise is also impossible and utopian?

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    So you’re right, we have a messaging problem. To start with, we should stop telling people things that clearly aren’t true

    And so maybe conservatives should admit that they too want or need a welfare state just a differently set up one, because the value of the welfare state is arguably partially psychological. It represents our collective investment in each other, it is a tangible representation that we feel for each other and sympathies with those in hard times. And isn’t that what the demand is and the critique of conservative messaging in the OP is?

    More proof that in the end we lost the Cold War, that a statement like this is seriously made on what is supposedly a a conservative website.

    I think his point was that the broader “conservative” movement feels this way.  I don’t think the election of Donald Trump necessarily proves this, but maybe it does.  Certainly the embrace of Donald Trump suggests this.  I’m not trying to shift to a discussion of the president, which hasn’t solved the problem addressed here on any count, but I do think that it’s been said a thousand times that Trump spoke to the man left behind, which was certainly the rhetoric of FDR while expanding the social safety net, and that’s why he won the White House.  The message was crafted to reassure Trump voters that they wouldn’t be left behind as we all “made America great again,” which is really about making individual people feel secure.

    That said, we won the Cold War by any measure.  We are in a new era now with a different struggle, as struggle is perpetual.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    Trump spoke to the man left behind,

    Is the GOP able to figure out how some got left behind? Can they fix it or are they just going to give them a cut of the Keynesian graft, rent seeking, and  largesse? Then throw in the identity politics.

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  6. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

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    Bryan,

    I haven’t seen this particular suggestion as I scrolled through the comments so I’ll offer it here:

    If your skills and experience dovetail at all with any courses taught at local community colleges, you might try teaching some courses as an adjunct instructor. Pay is not spectacular, but the hours are flexible, the students I encountered during my stints at adjuncting were for the most part bright and motivated, and the money came in handy as I continued to look for full time work. No one holds it against you that you were thought of highly enough to teach at the college level, and it looks good on the resume.

    Good luck!

    Because I know you didn’t want advice, Bryan, I’m loathe to add this, but not quite loathe enough to stop myself, evidently: Someone with a successful history in social work, and personal experience with dyslexia, might also be valuable to local colleges’ centers for accessibility and disability support.

    That’s a good idea.

    Tutoring at high schools, too.  I made $50+ an hour as an English tutor in East Cobb, though you’d have to figure out what the going rates were in your county.  Tutoring is scheduled in off hours when you’re not searching for other things, and it could help pay a bill or two if you get a few students.

    Hook into a PTA or contact your children’s old teachers.  Tell them of your availability.  Find the special education teacher at the area high schools and just send an email with credentials.

    There are also tutoring websites where you can post your profile for special ed, which might help.  (This is how we found our kid’s calculus tutor.)  They handle the money and then pay you, but they also help connect you to kids.

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  7. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    Trump spoke to the man left behind,

    Is the GOP able to figure out how some got left behind? Can they fix it or are they just going to give them a cut of the Keynesian graft, rent seeking, and largesse? Then throw in the identity politics.

    Well, I refer back to my first comment on this thread, which is that there isn’t a political solution to this sort of problem.  All political solutions end up hurting in some way, i.e. anti-age discrimination laws simply make it harder for people who are “protected” to get hired in the first place.

    I personally wish that politicians would be much more honest with constituents and just tell them this–no, we can’t fix it, and there are no guarantees, even if you do everything “right”–but Bryan is correct when he says that sort of statement isn’t a “selling” message.  It’s certainly not how Trump sold his services, which is why I say he is evidence that the conservative movement has taken a left turn.  (This is simply an observation.  I’m not trying to stir anything up.)

    After all, Trump said quite plainly throughout his campaign that he was going to fix it all for everyone, and putting the Clinton element in the election to one side, that’s honestly, in my opinion, what a lot of people wanted/want to hear/believe.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I personally wish that politicians would be much more honest with constituents and just tell them this–no, we can’t fix it,

    I don’t agree with this. The economy could freed up a ton. Health insurance needs a unique fix, but the rest of it is the Fed and economic cartels.

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  9. Valiuth 🚫 Banned
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    Skyler (View Comment):

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    HankMorgan (View Comment):
    It is a problem that every advanced country adopted the welfare state so there is no reasonable control group to compare against.

    Sure it is a problem when making analysis but if we assume some rationality in the choices societies make the fact that none lack a welfare state I think tells us something about what is or isn’t possible. If conservatives speak out against the foolishness of socialist utopianism, is it not possible that a welfareless paradise is also impossible and utopian?

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    So you’re right, we have a messaging problem. To start with, we should stop telling people things that clearly aren’t true

    And so maybe conservatives should admit that they too want or need a welfare state just a differently set up one, because the value of the welfare state is arguably partially psychological. It represents our collective investment in each other, it is a tangible representation that we feel for each other and sympathies with those in hard times. And isn’t that what the demand is and the critique of conservative messaging in the OP is?

    More proof that in the end we lost the Cold War, that a statement like this is seriously made on what is supposedly a a conservative website.

    The Cold War was not about the validity of the welfare state, a decision that had been made by western governments prior to the start of the Cold War.

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  10. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I personally wish that politicians would be much more honest with constituents and just tell them this–no, we can’t fix it,

    I don’t agree with this. The economy could freed up a ton. Health insurance needs a unique fix, but the rest of it is the Fed and economic cartels.

    I guess you could have the government get out more, but that’s not what government does.  Looking at the Tucker Carlson clips earlier in the thread, I know men are facing a crisis in this country.  I see issues in young men.  But what do you want the government to do about it?  Kill the Fed?  Okay.  Stop propping up economic cartels?  Okay.

    Those aren’t the problems for people like truck drivers who will lose jobs to automation (via the Carlson clip), and I don’t think they caused Bryan’s unemployment either.

    But I don’t have any problem having politicians talk about those things as long as they don’t offer panaceas for all that ails the general population.

     

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    lose jobs to automation

    Same thing with globalized labor. We have to switch back to a deflationary economy. Better living through purchasing power. This is how man profited off of progress for all of time prior to 1914.

    Of course no one knows what I’m talking about.

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  12. Valiuth 🚫 Banned
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So you’re right, we have a messaging problem. To start with, we should stop telling people things that clearly aren’t true

    And so maybe conservatives should admit that they too want or need a welfare state just a differently set up one, because the value of the welfare state is arguably partially psychological. It represents our collective investment in each other, it is a tangible representation that we feel for each other and sympathies with those in hard times. And isn’t that what the demand is and the critique of conservative messaging in the OP is?

    Are we talking about the difference between “The deserving” poor and the undeserving poor?

    You could phrase it that way, sure. I think the people instinctively want and often prefer is to hedge against ruin. That is how these programs are sold and I think to the extent they make people feel secure about it they can be considered successful. Peace of mind is no small thing. It is why people buy insurance to begin with.

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  13. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So you’re right, we have a messaging problem. To start with, we should stop telling people things that clearly aren’t true

    And so maybe conservatives should admit that they too want or need a welfare state just a differently set up one, because the value of the welfare state is arguably partially psychological. It represents our collective investment in each other, it is a tangible representation that we feel for each other and sympathies with those in hard times. And isn’t that what the demand is and the critique of conservative messaging in the OP is?

    Are we talking about the difference between “The deserving” poor and the undeserving poor?

    You could phrase it that way, sure. I think the people instinctively want and often prefer is to hedge against ruin. That is how these programs are sold and I think to the extent they make people feel secure about it they can be considered successful. Peace of mind is no small thing. It is why people buy insurance to begin with.

    I don’t think its “undeserving poor” its the abuse of other people’s kindly sentiments.

    My grandma was a true believing new deal democrat and got fired from a social welfare office because the mom of a connected politician came for free stuff, and she denied it because the family was wealthy.

    There is a line to be drawn here, both in fact and rhetoric.  Not everybody is hank reardon’s family, as real and true to life as they may be.

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  14. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    I think the people instinctively want and often prefer is to hedge against ruin. That is how these programs are sold and I think to the extent they make people feel secure about it they can be considered successful. Peace of mind is no small thing. It is why people buy insurance to begin with.

    I think this is why the reform plans have failed.  They took something that was the ultimate hedge against ruin and made them risky.  Humans are fabulously risk adverse.

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    Guruforhire (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    I think the people instinctively want and often prefer is to hedge against ruin. That is how these programs are sold and I think to the extent they make people feel secure about it they can be considered successful. Peace of mind is no small thing. It is why people buy insurance to begin with.

    I think this is why the reform plans have failed. They took something that was the ultimate hedge against ruin and made them risky. Humans are fabulously risk adverse.

    Nassim Taleb is very good on this type of thing.

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  16. HankMorgan Inactive
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    HankMorgan (View Comment):
    It is a problem that every advanced country adopted the welfare state so there is no reasonable control group to compare against.

    Sure it is a problem when making analysis but if we assume some rationality in the choices societies make the fact that none lack a welfare state I think tells us something about what is or isn’t possible. If conservatives speak out against the foolishness of socialist utopianism, is it not possible that a welfareless paradise is also impossible and utopian?

    I do not assume rationality in the politics of policy. I assume herd instincts and the overriding desire of politicians to do or promise what will get them elected or re-elected. What I think happened is that socialists or quasi-socialists had temporary control of every advanced economy and installed welfare programs and then every other politician was too afraid of the electoral consequences of removing them to even try.

    Going welfareless in today’s political realities might well be impossible now, but it certainly used to be possible and I don’t think it would be anything like a paradise. Would people with bad luck/ideas/morals end up worse off in the short term? Absolutely, but family, friends, churches, and charity groups would step in as they had in the past to prevent the worst of things, especially for those most deserving of the help.

    Looking at the long term — if we had avoided the mistake of welfare statism 100 years ago I think about 85% or so of the population would be significantly better off and the remaining 15% would probably be a little better off as well because a rising tide lifts all boats. The lower 15% of society would not be receiving their guaranteed benefits, but they would have access to the charity and cast offs of a richer society that also pays much less in taxes. And just think, what would a Bill Gates do with just 20% more money from the reduction in taxes?

     

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  17. Valiuth 🚫 Banned
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Guruforhire (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    I think the people instinctively want and often prefer is to hedge against ruin. That is how these programs are sold and I think to the extent they make people feel secure about it they can be considered successful. Peace of mind is no small thing. It is why people buy insurance to begin with.

    I think this is why the reform plans have failed. They took something that was the ultimate hedge against ruin and made them risky. Humans are fabulously risk adverse.

    Nassim Taleb is very good on this type of thing.

    He is.

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  18. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    In large corporations it is ignorant HR Nazis dictating pay and the resumes hiring managers can see. The post modernist aka communist have taken over HR and are now using it as a platform to highjack the whole corporate culture.  With the exception of Lawyers there is no profession I despise more in corporate American than HR Personal (Recruiter  by far being the worse sub section of this catigory). There are great ones but they are few an far between and dont come close to negating the harm HR Personal due to the bottom line let alone people.

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  19. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Here’s a thought – why does the government need to be the provider of charity?  I would rather see us return to churches, fraternal organizations, and other collaborative groups – maybe something like credit unions or a co-op.

    Taking care of people is good, but government is not good at it.

    Right now, what I want is to see Valiuth (You will admit to being a welfare statist & you will like it) & Rufus R Jones (Have you accepted Ludwig von Mises as your lord & savior?) locked in a cage match…

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    Here’s a thought – why does the government need to be the provider of charity?

    It’s unmanageable. It’s all theft and graft. Ultimately, it runs down the economy.

    How do they do this in countries where the central bank can’t “help” without crashing the currency?

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  21. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    Right now, what I want is to see Valiuth (You will admit to being a welfare statist & you will like it) & Rufus R Jones (Have you accepted Ludwig von Mises as your lord & savior?) locked in a cage match…

    Comment of the week.

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  22. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    Right now, what I want is to see Valiuth (You will admit to being a welfare statist & you will like it) & Rufus R Jones (Have you accepted Ludwig von Mises as your lord & savior?) locked in a cage match…

    Comment of the week.

    Where do I sign up for the pay-per-view live stream?

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  23. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Joe P (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    In practice, we’re all socialists now

    This is my own pedantry, but a welfare state, even a generous one, is not necessarily socialist. The key feature of socialism is that some entity other than private individuals or organizations control the means of production.

    I just want to insist on this point, because loose use of the word socialism is what’s causing people my age to think that the ideology that killed 100 million people in the 20th century is no big deal because it’s just Medicare for All and Free College.

    Fair point, I agree that was the original definition of “socialism,” but words shift their meaning over time.  The word “liberal” once meant someone who opposed protectionism and supported free trade and laissez-faire economic policies, and still does in much of the world, which is why some libertarians call themselves “classical liberals.”  However clearly the meaning has shifted in modern American politics.

    As for “socialist,” even the Chinese Communist Party has largely abandoned the idea of state control of the means of production, they have learned that they must permit private ownership and a relatively free market in order to have the strong economy they need to (a) become a world power and (b) keep the people from revolting against their one-party rule.  I doubt Bernie Sanders would nationalize our corporations even if he had the power to do so.  The dream of modern progressives is that if they leave corporations in private hands, they can regulate and tax them to their heart’s content without killing the golden goose that is supposed to pay for all the extravagant social welfare programs they promise.  That is modern-day socialism.

     

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  24. Miffed White Male Member
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    I doubt Bernie Sanders would nationalize our corporations even if he had the power to do so. The dream of modern progressives is that if they leave corporations in private hands, they can regulate and tax them to their heart’s content without killing the golden goose that is supposed to pay for all the extravagant social welfare programs they promise. That is modern-day socialism.

    That’s more or less the textbook definition of economic Fascism.

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  25. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    I doubt Bernie Sanders would nationalize our corporations even if he had the power to do so. The dream of modern progressives is that if they leave corporations in private hands, they can regulate and tax them to their heart’s content without killing the golden goose that is supposed to pay for all the extravagant social welfare programs they promise. That is modern-day socialism.

    That’s more or less the textbook definition of economic Fascism.

    True.  I recently read an argument that North Korea is better understood as a fascist state rather than a communist state.

    Another big difference between fascism and communism in the interwar period was that fascists advocated national socialism while the communists at least claimed to reject nationalism under such slogans as “workers of the world unite!”  However Stalin realized he had to invoke Russian patriotism in order to win WWII, and all the communist governments of Asia were founded on explicitly nationalist lines.  The Chinese Communists, for instance, are and always have been Chinese nationalists.  So yes, they better fit the textbook definition of “fascist.”

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  26. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens: Right now, we tell people they must work hard to get ahead, that they have no right to a job, and that if they work hard, they will get a job and succeed.

    Two of these three things are wrong:

    1. Some people get ahead w/o working hard: they inherit wealth, or they win the lottery, or they have the right connections, or they get a government job from which they cannot be fired.
    2. Some people work hard and don’t get a job, as your case among others proves.

    So you’re right, we have a messaging problem. To start with, we should stop telling people things that clearly aren’t true.

    Joseph, I wish someone would get your message over to LinkedIn. Every time I visit my email, I realize that from what LinkedIn has to say, there are 179,000 positions available for me to find work right here  in San Francisco. For me and me alone.

    If only someone could get them to stop.

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  27. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    I doubt Bernie Sanders would nationalize our corporations even if he had the power to do so. The dream of modern progressives is that if they leave corporations in private hands, they can regulate and tax them to their heart’s content without killing the golden goose that is supposed to pay for all the extravagant social welfare programs they promise. That is modern-day socialism.

    That’s more or less the textbook definition of economic Fascism.

    Yep these philosophies are rather circular. If you go too far to the Left, you meet the too far to the Right paradigm. And vice versa.

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  28. Chris Campion Coolidge
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    I doubt Bernie Sanders would nationalize our corporations even if he had the power to do so. The dream of modern progressives is that if they leave corporations in private hands, they can regulate and tax them to their heart’s content without killing the golden goose that is supposed to pay for all the extravagant social welfare programs they promise. That is modern-day socialism.

    That’s more or less the textbook definition of economic Fascism.

    True. I recently read an argument that North Korea is better understood as a fascist state rather than a communist state.

    Another big difference between fascism and communism in the interwar period was that fascists advocated national socialism while the communists at least claimed to reject nationalism under such slogans as “workers of the world unite!” However Stalin realized he had to invoke Russian patriotism in order to win WWII, and all the communist governments of Asia were founded on explicitly nationalist lines. The Chinese Communists, for instance, are and always have been Chinese nationalists. So yes, they better fit the textbook definition of “fascist.”

    These two ideologies, communism and fascism, are really just slightly different takes on the same path toward totalitarianism.  I’ve noticed that many people, including here on Ricochet, get lost, deep in the weeds of these differences.

    It’s just a matter of how you cede control of your life to some larger entity.  No matter which way you come at it, from which side of the political spectrum, it ends up (if you think of the below chart as a circle, not a line) at totalitarianism, call it communism or fascism.

    Which I still think is too simplistic a model, but the idea is there.

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  29. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Chris Campion (View Comment):
    These two ideologies, communism and fascism, are really just slightly different takes on the same path toward totalitarianism. I’ve noticed that many people, including here on Ricochet, get lost, deep in the weeds of these differences.

    It’s just a matter of how you cede control of your life to some larger entity.

    I think there’s an essential difference between totalitarian states and democracies.  Nations like Canada, France, and Sweden to varying degrees may have larger welfare states (and higher taxes) than American conservatives approve of, but never the less they remain multiparty democracies with free and fair elections, free speech, a free press, an independent judiciary, and the rule of law.  That’s vastly different than a state ruled by a single party, whether that party is called communist or fascist or something else.

     

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  30. Skyler Coolidge
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    CarolJoy (View Comment):
    Yep these philosophies are rather circular. If you go too far to the Left, you meet the too far to the Right paradigm. And vice versa.

    No.  They are both left.

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