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A long-term recurring desire of the political left is to remove all firearms from “ordinary” citizens and residents in the name of safety. I keep stumbling across suggestions from people who pursue this goal, proposing something along the lines of a gun confiscation force that would go door to door demanding people turn over their guns.
The people who make these suggestions generally skip over concerns about the Constitution (Second and Fourth Amendments in particular), or assume there’s some way to change or to evade the Constitution, perhaps assuming they can get Congress to vote for such a confiscation program.
As a lawyer, I enjoy reading legal arguments, and I am skeptical that a gun confiscation scheme will pass legally.
But I’m also interested in practicalities. As a business lawyer I was always thinking about how my legal advice would fit into the business realities the executives I was advising had to deal with. So, for purposes of this discussion, let’s also skip over the legal arguments and details.
The advocates of a gun confiscation program do seem to understand that some type of individual contact with each citizen or resident in the United States (or at least family) will be necessary to achieve any significant compliance with a government gun removal program.
How many places are the members of a gun confiscation force going to visit each day? How many people are going to be on the gun confiscation force? Will members of the gun confiscation force go out individually, or in teams? Given the hundreds of millions of people in the United States living in and otherwise occupying many hundreds of millions of buildings and other properties, how long would this gun confiscation process take? The general responses I have read seem to conclude that it would take a force of tens of thousands of workers decades (if not a century or more) to have any hope of removing all the privately owned guns in the United States.
But even more interesting to me is the second-order question for each particular encounter between the gun confiscation force and a resident. After the person or team from the gun confiscation force demands a resident turn over his guns, then what?
I can think of a few second-order effects, none of which would definitively rid the country of privately owned firearms. But my imagination is very limited, so maybe I’m missing something that would allow such a program to succeed in removing all firearms from private ownership. I figure the imaginative Ricochetti may be better able than I am to envision the practicalities of how a successful nationwide gun confiscation program might work in our country.
Remember that in the United States, there are no registries of gun ownership. There are an estimated 400 - 500 million firearms in the hands of about 100 million people (i.e., a lot of firearms in the hands of a lot of people). The government doesn’t know who has guns or where they are. So, there’s no option to search only the properties controlled by “gun owners.” The gun confiscation force must search every property of every person in the country.
So when a firearms confiscation officer of a team (I will refer to a team because I think it unlikely individual officers would be sent out on such a task) asks the resident if he has any guns, and demands that the resident turn over to the firearms confiscation team the guns, what does the resident do? The options I see are:
I suspect most Ricochetti probably do not support gun confiscation by the government. But, to help understand my own opinions, I find it valuable to try understanding different and even opposite opinions.
So, Ricochetti, what options for a practically successful gun confiscation am I missing? How would you go about a gun confiscation program?
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The question is how many were lost at the house before me, and how many make it to the next house. And so on.
It can’t happen. In this bluest of blue states here in Massachusetts nobody would do it. Not the residents, not the town police, not the state police. It’s still America.
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When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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I’m a 2A absolutist, so my opinions ought to be understood through that particular lens.
Allowing for @FullSizeTabby’s stated intent of considering “practical” aspects of gun confiscation by the government, I think that the proponents of such tyranny honestly believe most “law abiding citizens” will meekly comply. Thereafter, whenever a contraband firearm shows up or is reported by a snitch, LEOs will be justified in using maximum force to apprehend, charge and prosecute.
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At least where I live I don't see gun confiscation ending any way but badly.
I could easily see the city council in my town creating a "city militia" open to all residents allowing them to keep and bear arms. No fee. No qualification other than living here.
If that failed and a confiscation were attempted? I suspect most of the police would quit, rather than confiscate guns. I know my neighborhood would be proactive, organizing a neighborhood armed response to those confiscating guns. The confiscators could not go door-to-door. They would be met by something approximating Lexington and Concord.
I think lawyers would learn something officer cadets learn very early in military training. Never give an order you know will be disobeyed. Because in Texas people would not give a rip about whether gun confiscation has been lawfully passed. We would keep our guns or die trying.
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I don't think the anti-gun crowd are serious about what they advocate; it's just another project that they undertake that makes them feel good that they have "done something." That is the principal motive of the woke crowd, being able to tell their fellow that they are "doing something."
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