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October 14, 2023 at 7:05 PM

Make It About Territory

David Carroll
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Israel warned the people of northern Gaza to vacate and move south. The United Nations told Israel not to make that warning. The UN’s reaction demonstrated to me that Israel’s warning was the right thing to do. Obviously, Israel intends to rain down destruction on the northern portion of the Gaza Strip from which the Hamas attacks originated. According to news reports, many have heeded the warning.

To me, the strategy seems right, even brilliant. In a war against an ideology, make the war about territory. After all, the stated goal of Hamas is to eliminate Israel and take the territory from the Jewish people.

Accept the invaders’ (terrorists’) premise that the war really is about territory. They made it about territory (and terror), so eliminate the so-called Palestinians from the territory from which the invasion was launched. I hate the fact that innocent Palestinians will potentially be killed, but do they remain as innocents when they had been warned and if they fail to heed the warnings? Doesn’t their remaining demonstrate support for the terrorists that comprise Hamas?

Yes, moving is hard. Innocent people (to the extent they exist) become refugees forced from their homes. War is hell. But at least they have been warned and given the opportunity to save themselves.

Military forces know how to take territory as opposed to merely taking out selective ideologues.

Am I being naïve?

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    EODmom@EODmom·3y

    Oddly- the Ukrainian people had no trouble deciding whether to stay or leave. Maybe because they were not forced to stay?

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    Bob Thompson@BobThompson·3y
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Oddly- the Ukrainian people had no trouble deciding whether to stay or leave. Maybe because they were not forced to stay?

    Didn't that change to some degree after the war was underway?

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    Chuck@Chuckles·3y

    When it comes to war, it's lots easier for the guilty to condemn the innocent.

    And no, I don't believe you are being naive at all.

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    The Reticulator@TheReticulator·3y
    David Carroll (View Post):

    Military forces know how to take territory as opposed to merely taking out selective ideologues.

    Am I being naïve?

    Whether it should be about territory is a good question.

    Land-for-peace deals don't always work so well. Witness the source of the idea of land-for-peace in Ukraine. As far as I can tell, the people advocating the most persistently for such a thing are the same people who are receptive to a lot of other Russian propaganda, to the exclusion of contrary sources. Land ownership is hard to undo. Peace settlements are relatively easy to undo.

    The deal in Gaza has obviously not worked. So although it will be hard, maybe it's best to undo it altogether.

    It's interesting, also, that Vladimir Putin, when asked recently about the endpoint for the "special military operation" in Ukraine said that the war is not a war for territory. Is this a way of him trying to back down and prepare the way to exit the conflict? Hard to say. I'm sure he wants to get out of it what he can, but territory is important.

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    Zafar@Zafar·3y
    David Carroll (View Post):
    To me, the strategy seems right, even brilliant. In a war against an ideology, make the war about territory.

    Getting people to move makes it about people as well.

    From PBS:

    Israel renewed calls on social media and in leaflets dropped from the air for Gaza residents to move south, while Hamas urged people to stay in their homes. The U.N. and aid groups have said such a rapid exodus would cause untold human suffering, especially for hospitalized patients, older adults and others unable to relocate.

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