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August 31, 2025 at 3:40 PM

War on the Innocent

Old Bathos
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Is there a reason to kill the innocent? What if there is no nationalistic or tribal imperative to treat all members of a nation/race/class/tribe/group as enemies, as did the Nazis and Communists, nor a belief system that is selectively indifferent to the humanity of others, like Aztec jaguar warriors seizing captives to be sacrificed? What if it is not a matter of being so angry at specific persons that no care or thought is given to the risk of hurting bystanders when an attack is launched?

What if it is about killing the innocent precisely because they are innocent? It is hard to imagine a purer state of innocence than children at prayer.

In the Iliad, Achilles’ friend, cousin, comrade in arms, the noble Patroclus, is punched in the back by the god Apollo (a supporter of Troy), left defenseless, then struck by a spear and finished off by Hector. (The behavior of the gods in the Iliad was uniformly appalling. Humans were far more honorable figures.) The scale of Achilles' vengeance was much larger than targeting Hector precisely because of the perfidy of a god. To begin that vengeance, Achilles added twelve live Trojan captives to Patroclus' funeral pyre before going on to kill Hector.

When one goes to war with a god (e.g., Apollo), there is no way to strike a god directly, so the only option is to find that which the god loves and kill it (e.g., the flower of Troy and then Troy itself). When one is at war with nature, country, culture, religion, history, reality and God (or even just the idea of God), the innocent or those otherwise apparently naturally favored by God thus become natural targets.

Andrew Phillip Kehoe, still the most horrific school mass murderer ever (see the Bath school disaster of 1927), was called a “dangerous injustice collector” by a modern analyst. This is a useful and insightful phrase. We now have cults and ideological movements designed to instill and intensify a perception of victimhood, to elevate grievance and concomitantly dehumanize non-victims as perpetrators and/or undeserving beneficiaries of injustice. Psychosexual unhappiness, for example, could be presented as the fault of the external world in its entirety, which would warrant vengeance on a horrific scale. Lots of online support for that point of view is readily available. A truly perverse aspect of social media is that interactions can be created that increase rather than relieve isolation and intensify the habit of resentment rather than offer the saving effects of a broader, saner perspective.

We cannot prevent individuals from “going postal” about particular grievances against particular persons (employer, boss, rivals, etc.) or institutions, nor can “red flag” laws do much to prevent that kind of violence. But we should be alert to the inherent danger in that which abets and fosters “dangerous injustice collection,” which invariably increases the risk of inevitable personal, seemingly irrational wars against the innocent in particular.

Personal note: My wife and daughter work in a parochial school where four of my grandchildren currently attend (two other grandkids are alumni). During the unwarranted attacks on Judge Kavanaugh during his nomination struggle, several idiots called the school. (Kavanaugh's daughters attended and he had coached their soccer teams.) The callers made ugly, stupid remarks about how he was presumably allowed to abuse girls. My daughter was an administrator then and was the one who took the calls. I don't think the callers felt good about themselves after speaking with my girl (mother of four), who is about as easily intimidated as your average Parris Island drill instructor. Nevertheless, the fact that anyone would target the school at all is troubling.

There is always a nagging fear about the evils that lurk in the "collections" out there.

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    Kevin Schulte@KevinSchulte·1y

    Jordan Peterson responded to a question from Michael Malice .

    Paraphrasing

    Question .

    Why the sex trafficking kids , or why attach in nonce when there are many other options ? What is it with the kids ?

    Answer

    It is the ultimate F U to God .

    You eluded to this above .

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    GrannyDude@GrannyDude·1y

    Excellent OP, OB, truly.

    It explains so much. Can I share it (with pseudonymous attribution?)

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    Old Bathos@OldBathos·1y
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Excellent OP, OB, truly.

    It explains so much. Can I share it (with pseudonymous attribution?)

    Feel free to use.

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    Scott Wilmot@ScottWilmot·1y

    The war on the innocent known as abortion yields many more deaths than any other affliction on human beings. Women give many reasons for aborting their children. It seems to me to be a mostly desperate, selfish act. In a society that allows abortion I suppose anything is possible with respect to evil.

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    Al Sparks@AlSparks·1y
    Old Bathos (View Post):
    Is there a reason to kill the innocent?

    Yes.

    Old Bathos (View Post):
    What if it is about killing the innocent precisely because they are innocent?

    There's no moral reason to do that.

    I've made a comment here today. I basically say there's nothing to be done to combat this, and the OP seems to support that as well.

    But I think there is one thing that can be done. Allow school teachers to be armed. Even if only 10-20% actually do it, it will mitigate these types of shootings, not only in the ability of the victims to return fire if fired upon, but it will probably cause many of these would be shooters to pick another target.

    What about churches? I suppose it would depend on the denomination, but how many of them allow off-duty police officers to remain armed when attending services? In the case of the Catholic Church, there is certainly symbolic indications that they allow for the defense of parishioners and clergy. At the Vatican, we see the Swiss Guards carrying their ubiquitous halberds, swords and spears during church services. But even local parishes have the Knights of Columbus who sometimes are a part of some ceremonies that includes Mass. They carry swords and raise them in salute when the procession enters the church.

    So I don't think the Catholic Church has any dogmatic reasons for parishioners not to be armed during services.

    I don't expect any of the liberals calling for more gun control to be convinced. But having a culture of self defense that includes carrying firearms would go along way to defend against this kind of random shooter.

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