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February 9, 2024 at 9:05 PM

Poor Adolf Had No Choice

Doug Watt
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There are some interesting statements from Putin in the transcript of his interview with Tucker Carlson. Let me begin by stating that I have no problem with Tucker interviewing Putin. In fact, the interview was necessary to hear from Putin himself instead of statements from Russian media and pro-Putin bloggers.

(Pro-Putin bloggers is not a reference to any Ricochet members.)

Why was it Poland against whom the war started on 1 September 1939? Poland turned out to be uncompromising, and Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with Poland. - Putin

Poland being held responsible for their invasion and in turn are somehow responsible for starting WWII in Europe is Russian disinformation. Putin is not the first Russian state official to push this trope.

So before World War II, Poland collaborated with Hitler and although it did not yield to Hitler’s demands, it still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia together with Hitler. As the Poles had not given the Danzig Corridor to Germany, and went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War II by attacking them. Why was it Poland against whom the war started on 1 September 1939? Poland turned out to be uncompromising, and Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with Poland. - Putin

Putin is referring to the Munich Agreement of September 30,1938, "a settlement reached by Germany, Great Britain, France, and Italy that permitted German annexation of the Sudetenland, in western Czechoslovakia." Polish diplomats were not involved in the settlement. Poland did annex a part of Czechoslovakia, but it was France not Hitler who urged Poland and Czechoslovakia to settle on an agreement.

France was an ally of both Poland and Czechoslovakia and tried repeatedly to get them to resolve their border disputes and become allies, and also collaborate with the Soviet Union. There was no success, not just because of the border issues but also because Prague's willingness to work with Moscow clashed with the firm resolve of Warsaw to keep its distance from Moscow. Czechoslovak President Edvard Beneš warned that military or even strong political ties with Poland could prove dangerous for Czechoslovakia. In 1938 Poland pursued its own territorial claims, and gave an ultimatum to the Czechoslovak government, which resulted in the annexation of the Trans-Olza region which in fact had a Polish majority. - from Wikipedia

Putin omits some more history concerning Poland.

By the way, the USSR — I have read some archive documents — behaved very honestly. It asked Poland’s permission to transit its troops through the Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia. But the then Polish foreign minister said that if the Soviet planes flew over Poland, they would be downed over the territory of Poland. - Putin

Once again Poland is to blame, and could have prevented WWII by allowing Russian troops to protect the Czechs from Germany. What he left unsaid is the Russian invasion of Poland in 1920. 700,000 Russian troops began the invasion of Poland, and they reached the outskirts of Warsaw. The Russian forces were routed in what is called The Miracle of the Vistula.

But that doesn’t matter. What matters is that the war began, and Poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against Czechoslovakia, as under the well-known Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, part of that territory, including western Ukraine, was to be given to Russia. Thus Russia, which was then named the USSR, regained its historical lands. - Putin

What Putin does not mention about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is a secret protocol in the pact between Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. A secret protocol that the Soviet Union would get the eastern half of Poland along with Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia and Germany would invade Poland and occupy the western half of Poland.

Sometimes what is left unsaid is just as important as what is said.

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    cdor@cdor·2y

    I have only had time to listen to a small part of the interview...the part you are discussing here, Doug. When Putin made the comments quoted in this post, my ears sure perked up. I believe Putin's history lesson on this subject is highly questionable, to be polite. The animus against Poland is reflected in Putin's historical commentary. The fact that Russia got their buts kicked by Poland in 1920 might be the source of his inaccurate statements. But I do feel that Ukraine is different. The history of eastern (especially) Ukraine seems to be very much integrated as a part of Russia.

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    Quintus Sertorius@BillGollier·2y

    There is no doubt that much of Putin’s history lesson is stuff and nonsense….I mean one could well argue that Stalin is just as responsible if not more so than Hitler in the coming of WWII so to absolve Stalin a place in the “Polish Crisis” is just a bald face lie…see Sean McMeekin’s Stalin’s War for an excellent analysis of all this.

    All that said…if you read diplomatic documents from the time while one can for sure not blame Poland there is no doubt they were writing some power politic checks that they could not cash. However Poland had to play a hand that dealt them two homicidal dictators on their borders…which one was worse? We think it was Hitler in our history books…but I’m not so sure….Stalin could do things that Hitler could only marvel at…like killing his entire military staff for starters; so Poland had to play a game of bravado because that was the neighborhood. It’s a much more complicated and nuanced game than our history books like to let on.

    One Postscript….99% of the time Stalin made Hitler look Joe Biden…he ran diplomatic circles around the Nazi Regime….

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    Sisyphus@Sisyphus·2y

    Putin has done the world a great favor. By dragging out this history and sharing it, it invites all of us to revisit the vile prevarications of history's ugliest tyrants in the context of his bloody aggression in Ukraine. It actually distracts from Obama era machinations to switch the polarity of Ukrainian leadership westward and focuses on how thin the rationales have always been from such tyrants for the terror and violence they inflict.

    And I am not surprised by his advice that America trade more freely with Xi.

    Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Doug.

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    Steve C.@user_531302·2y

    I wonder what people would be saying if Russia’s coup de main in Ukraine had succeeded.

    You never know how a war will turn out. I suppose when you are an oligarch atop a declining nuclear armed second world country you can’t resort to the first rule of holes.

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    EJHill@EJHill·2y

    Putin reflects what he was taught as a Soviet citizen.

    The biggest mistake leaders make in foreign relations is believing everyone shares the same frame of historical reference and will act accordingly. You see it everywhere, in dealing with Russia, in dealing with the Chinese or dealing with the problems in the Middle East. In the latter the West looks at Israel in the shadow of the Holocaust and the other side doesn’t even believe it happened.

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