Get the Ricochet app
Ricochet will work fine in a browser on your mobile devices, but for the best experience please download our app.

3 Whisky Happy Hour
The Ricochet Podcast
GLoP Culture
Beyond the Polls with Henry Olsen
Parsing Immigration Policy
Federalist Radio Hour
What the Hell Is Going On
Freedom to Learn
Daily Signal
The Erick Erickson Show
Chicks on The Right
3 Martini Lunch
The Learning Curve
The Conservative Woman’s Guide
Heritage Explains
Not Dead Yet
Giving Ventures
Who Funds that?
The Radio Free Hillsdale Hour
The Glenn Show
Call Me Back - with Dan Senor
Hillsdale Dialogues
Law Talk with Epstein, Yoo & Cooke
The Libertarian
The Report Card with Nat Malkus
The Kevin Roberts Show with Larry O’Connor
The American Idea
Madison’s Notes
Conservative Crossroads with Henry Olsen
Mom Wars
The Back of the Book
Gray Matters
Martini Shot
The Dave Carter Show
The Powerline Show
In Dissent
Heard at Heritage
Smart Girl Politics
James Lileks’ The Diner
Case in Point: The Legal Show on the Hottest Legal Cases in Politics and Culture
JobMakers
One on One with Robert Doar
Homeschooling Journeys with Curious MikeRicochet will work fine in a browser on your mobile devices, but for the best experience please download our app.
Tired of the toxicity of social media? Why not join Ricochet for just $5/month? Think of it as an online bar. Come in, have a drink, hang out, say whatever you want. But don’t badger, bully, or berate the other drinkers. That's our only rule.
The deadline for United Methodist churches to decide whether or not they'll leave to form a new denomination has arrived. About a quarter of the US churches will split off, although it has not yet become official for all of them.
An article on MSNBC got my hackles up because of the title: "The Bible verse proving anti-LGBTQ Methodists have not truly read the Bible."
I was a member of the United Methodist Church all my life and even served on multiple church boards and charge conferences. When we moved to Michigan, I found that all the nearby UMC congregations had turned progressive, and Progressive Christianity is the express train to Hell, in my opinion. It's a gateway out of Christianity. Congregations that go progressive are usually dead in about 10 years, a third of the congregation has become atheist, a third remains Christian, and the rest don't know what they are. Meanwhile, conservative congregations do well.
The article is a good example of what progressive Christians are up to. They simply disregard the parts of the Bible they don't like, that don't fit their lifestyle choices.
The minister who wrote the above had some mean and misleading things to say about Christians who don't go along with his progressivism. He implies that we "deny the full humanity of LBGT people." Nope, they are welcome in the Church. They are welcome in leadership positions, even. What they can't do is try to teach the congregation that a sin is not a sin.
He uses some common arguments to try to show that non-progressives are wrong about the Bible. One is to say that out of over 30,000 verses in the Bible there are only six that deal with homosexuality. The other point is to cite Galatians 3:28: “In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female." He then argues that Christ is setting aside sexual distinctions, so gays ought to be acceptable; we can just set those 6 nasty verses aside.
The trouble is that even if Christ accepts men, women, gays, or whatever, that does not mean that those people can't still be sinners. And the 6 verses that the pastor wants to throw out very clearly make homosexual practice a sin.
Beware people who use the Bible against the Bible. That's a trick with which only the Saints can get away. You can't use one passage in the Bible as scissors to cut out other passages you don't like. And the effort here is to claim that homosexuality isn't sinful by simply ignoring parts of scripture.
Hate the sin and love the sinner. Well, we'd better because we're all sinners. A homosexual lifestyle is no worse than other forms of sin like adultery or living in sin, but it's still a sin. People saved in Christ are supposed to repent of their sins and pray for God's help in becoming better. We all struggle with our sins.
Pastors who teach that sins are not sins are endangering the immortal souls of themselves and their congregation. It's very deadly when a person stops regarding a sin as a sin.
I wish the United Methodist Chruch many blessings, but, like I said, express train.
This post was promoted to the Main Feed at the recommendation of Ricochet's members.
Discussion (43)
MODERATOR
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
The Global Methodist Church will do fine. The UMC, not so well. I have compassion for the UMC faithful who are sticking with congregations that they have been members of for years. I have have many friends at a local UMC church with a a fairly conservative, gospel based pastor that voted to stay in the UMC. I don't think they have a clear idea what is going to hit them when their current pastor moves on to his next position, and is replaced by someone chosen by the current powers in the UMC. Not sure why so many denominations and congregations think they can mix Truth and non-Truth and end up with anything palatable.
CHARTER MEMBER
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
Why are You reading MSNBC?
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
You have my empathy. As a Catholic I hesitate to offer my advice to the UMC. We have our own problems with Pelosi and Biden who consider themselves devout Catholics. As far as the mainstream media goes, I would say that one verse Bible memorization taken out of context is not theological discernment.
Embracing the sinner to try and get them on the right path is far different than having to embrace the sin.
I don't see the need to vote to leave as a church. If I want to leave UMC, I can do so with my feet.
I trace the complete intellectual dishonesty of the movement back to March 3, 2019 when it smacked me in the face. I'm sure it predates that by quite a bit.
From what I've seen, I suspect that many small rural churches were put in a bad spot with respect to buildings and assets and just general confusion about who was splitting to where and even having a pastor at all. A rather disgusting affair...the UMC skin suit will rot away rather quickly from this end.
This part made me giggle. As if.
You're seeing five of 43 comments. Sign in, or join for just $5 per month, to read them all and add your own.