Get the Ricochet app
Ricochet will work fine in a browser on your mobile devices, but for the best experience please download our app.

3 Whisky Happy Hour
The Ricochet Podcast
GLoP Culture
Beyond the Polls with Henry Olsen
Parsing Immigration Policy
Federalist Radio Hour
What the Hell Is Going On
Freedom to Learn
Daily Signal
The Erick Erickson Show
Chicks on The Right
3 Martini Lunch
The Learning Curve
The Conservative Woman’s Guide
Heritage Explains
Not Dead Yet
Giving Ventures
Who Funds that?
The Radio Free Hillsdale Hour
The Glenn Show
Call Me Back - with Dan Senor
Hillsdale Dialogues
Law Talk with Epstein, Yoo & Cooke
The Libertarian
The Report Card with Nat Malkus
The Kevin Roberts Show with Larry O’Connor
The American Idea
Madison’s Notes
Conservative Crossroads with Henry Olsen
Mom Wars
The Back of the Book
Gray Matters
Martini Shot
The Dave Carter Show
The Powerline Show
In Dissent
Heard at Heritage
Smart Girl Politics
James Lileks’ The Diner
Case in Point: The Legal Show on the Hottest Legal Cases in Politics and Culture
JobMakers
One on One with Robert Doar
Homeschooling Journeys with Curious MikeRicochet will work fine in a browser on your mobile devices, but for the best experience please download our app.
Tired of the toxicity of social media? Why not join Ricochet for just $5/month? Think of it as an online bar. Come in, have a drink, hang out, say whatever you want. But don’t badger, bully, or berate the other drinkers. That's our only rule.
I have often … quarreled with those who feel that Western Civilization was born from the Greeks, and that the role of what I consider the foundational text – the Torah – is really incidental.
I suspect this is primarily for two reasons:
1: Most people read the text as a storybook or even a kind of contrived history, instead of as a guide for holy relationships. As a result, fundamental lessons are missed.
2: We take much of the Torah for granted without thinking of it. And so we do not carefully examine the text both in itself and in the context of human societies. A great many ideas found within the Torah are directly contrary to both ancient and modern “wisdom” about the meaning and purpose of our lives, and our ability to direct it.
I’d like to address both of these by examining the text, primarily at the surface, the most obvious level. The advantage of Genesis is that the lessons offered are meant to be applicable to all of humanity, not solely the Jewish people. They are simple ideas, accessible to any functioning person.
Let’s dive into what actually seem to be universal rules, applicable to all humankind:
The themes of individual free will, choices and consequences and a greater – holier – mission for mankind not only set the Torah apart from other ancient ways of thinking, but they also remain much-needed wisdom even in the modern world around us.
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by an editor.
Discussion (7)
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
I agree with you that they are wrong, It is the Torah that was foundational, and not the religion of the Greeks.
On every question to which the Greek religion and the Torah have incompatible answers, like “May we have gods before God?” and “May we worship graven images?” the Torah is objectively correct and the Greeks were objectively wrong.
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
The beauty and strength of Western civilization is that we melded the Biblical foundation of a righteous society with the democracy and science of the Greeks and the law and organizational skills of the Romans. In America our Founders brought this merger to the pinnacle achieved thus far in human history.
Rubio is not wrong to celebrate what we learned from the Greeks, but their wisdom does not replace the Biblical foundation but rather adds to it.
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
I think Ben Shapiro said today that the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) is the most quoted (or alluded to) source in the Federalist Papers and that Plutarch is second. This order shows where the Founders got their inspiration.
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
Whether it was actually Plato rather than Socrates speaking in The Dialogues of Plato remains unclear, but for purposes of discussion, I will say "Socrates." :)
Socrates did not have the force of G-d behind him in the way that Moses and Christ did. That should immediately settle the debate over the extent of the influence of the Greeks versus the Jews.
But also, Socrates was a true renegade in Athens, and he cannot be said to represent Greece in any material sense. Socrates was put to death by the leaders in Athens just for expressing his opinions and philosophies. The Torah is absolutely the foundation of western civilization: One life, one soul, one moment in time, one G-d.
However, Socrates made one contribution to western civilization that no other contribution has ever equaled in importance: objectivity. It got us to where we are today as an advanced civilization. Tragically, we don't study Plato's Dialogues as we once did, and we have lost the knowledge of and commitment to objectivity and truth that Socrates inspired in his students. We need a new Socratic movement in the western world. We are deluged with propaganda, and we are not evaluating it systematically and accurately.
CHARTER MEMBER
To read this bio, please join Ricochet.
So much wisdom in this post. Thank you.
You're seeing five of seven comments. Sign in, or join for just $5 per month, to read them all and add your own.