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June 2, 2024 at 12:00 PM

Who Is the American Octavian?

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Col. Schlicter has a very good essay today in Town Hall. I highly recommend it.

The crux of his piece is dead on.
America Is Not Yet Rome, But Democrats Better Worry That It Is Going That Way

No, what our patrician Democrats should fear is a challenger to the status quo who has learned from the experience of himself and others that there are no norms or rules, and the mos maiorum is useful only when cynically cited to justify one’s self-serving actions. This final challenger will be even more ruthless than his enemies, having learned that mercy is weakness and weakness means death. No, the Democrats need to worry about an American Augustus, and they need to understand that they are creating one.

Who is the American Octavian? I ask because I see no realistic scenario in which we go back to the 1980s or even the 2000s. The future is one of sharp and bloody elbows. Thanks to the Fascist Democrats, every Presidency will now end the same way: unpeacefully and with lawsuits. Presidents will now have to blanket pardon their administrations when they leave. The probability of an Augustus has never been higher. I can think of 4 prominent Millenials who appear to have the skills and stones to fill that role.

I'm sorry to say, but history makes clear the overwhelming probability that this will not be resolved until a lot of blood has been shed.

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    DrewInNewMexico@BishopWash·2y

    We've been the Global American Empire for quite a while. Guess we're taking the next step.

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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)@ArizonaPatriot·2y
    No Caesar (View Post):
    I’m sorry to say, but history makes clear the overwhelming probability that this will not be resolved until a lot of blood has been shed.

    No, it doesn't.

    History makes clear that sometimes there are political messes that lead to bloody civil wars, and sometimes there are political messes that do not. Things got quite bad in the 1960s and 1970s -- worse than today, I think -- and then calmed down.

    If you want to use Roman examples, it is misleading to pick Octavian. Yes, the Republic ended with Octavian. But it did not end with Scipio Africanus, nor the Gracchi, nor Marius, Sulla, Pompey, or Caesar. There was a descent from the Gracchi onwards, and periods of significant bloodshed in the periods of Sulla and Pompey/Caesar. But the Republic did not immediately collapse, and lasted for a long time after Africanus.

  • Banned Member@BryanGStephens·2y

    It was not worse in the 60s and 70s. Not at all. 1861

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    James Lileks@jameslileks·2y
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It was not worse in the 60s and 70s. Not at all. 1861

    In 1971 and 1972, the US had 2500 left-wing terrorist bombings, with an average of five per day.

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It was not worse in the 60s and 70s. Not at all. 1861

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    In 1971 and 1972, the US had 2500 left-wing terrorist bombings, with an average of five per day.

    It did not have political show trials for the leading candidate of one party.

    I get it James. You are an Okedokeycon. Nothing is wrong and we just vote.

    I disagree. With these trials, my right to vote for who I want is being taken from me.

    So change my mind. Explain to me how this works out. Explain to me how a quest to shut out half the nation ends well.

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