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August 29, 2024 at 6:02 PM

‘Democracy’

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Apparently, the sustained attacks claiming that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy have some persistent traction in the polls. "Democracy" (sometimes called "our democracy") is a strange ideological chimera. Most people probably assume that the Democrats are referring to the January 6th fiasco, which they call an “insurrection,” aided by Trump’s alleged endorsement of the riot. But there is a broader and deeper weirdness at work. “Democracy” turns out to be quite malleable.

First off, an election is not “democracy” when the wrong guy wins (e.g., Trump, Viktor Orbán, Benjamin Netanyahu). When voters pass referendums by voting in what is normally considered a democratic act, their will does not count if not consistent with “democracy” (i.e., spending caps, no race quotas, no aid to illegals, and no homosexual marriage are all barred by "democracy").

The fundamental organizational problem in America is that conservatives recognize that democracy requires widely shared cultural, moral, and social elements to survive, whereas liberals believe that even acknowledging those concerns ushers in authoritarian rule. Conservatives are beginning to realize that winning elections does not create the means to restore moral and cultural health, because even under supposed conservative rule, liberals continue to undermine the prerequisites of actual democracy through every captured institution. I don’t see a happy ending. Weimar degeneracy led to democracy dissolving into a death struggle between Nazis and Communists, each of whom sought to create a "democracy."

A guy who wants to wear dresses and change his name to Louise presents an illustrative issue. The authoritarian approach would be to tell him his behavior is absurd and repellent and to knock it off. The “democracy” position is that all of us must pretend he actually is a woman under penalty of law. A modest democratic solution might be to let “Louise” do his thing up to but not past the point at which the rest of us are required to buy into and actively accommodate his delusion. However, under “democracy,” that last approach is forbidden because it tacitly honors the kinds of beliefs and values that an authoritarian would have. Sharing the same family values as Generalissimo Franco or Mitt Romney is an implicit rejection of “democracy.” This is why such notions must be actively suppressed and excluded.

The "right” of indigents to camp and crap on city streets, the “rights” of shoplifters, and the “rights” of border violators all make sense if “democracy” is an ideological assault on every distinction, limitation, and value that makes ordered liberty possible, to be replaced with complete global equality.

Actual democracy cannot be permitted to inhibit what “democracy” demands. In much the same way that the pigs in Orwell’s Animal Farm claimed to support equality while also claiming that some (the pigs) are more equal than others, the American “elite” no longer pretends that “democracy” is about majority rule under a constitutional system of law. It is only democracy when they get their way. You would think that voters in a democracy would notice and overwhelmingly reject that arrogance.

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    Susan Quinn@SusanQuinn·2y
    Old Bathos (View Post):
    the American “elite” no longer pretends that “democracy” is about majority rule under a constitutional system of law. It is only democracy when they get their way. You would think that voters in a democracy would notice and overwhelmingly reject that arrogance.

    I'm so sick of it. Okay, I understand that they've taken over every institution. How could we let that happen? And how can we let it continue?? As long as the media supports their definitions, I think we are lost.

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    cdor@cdor·2y

    There is no doubt in my mind that our current Democrat elite are not thinking "Freedom" when they promote "our Democracy".

    Good post OB. It's not enough to allow for deviation from normal millennia long norms of human behavior. We must legitimize deviancy and promote it or we are, oddly enough, considered deviant, a new type of deviant that is not allowed. I guess they have standards after all.

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    Bishop Wash@BishopWash·2y
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Good post OB. It’s not enough to allow for deviation from normal millennia long norms of human behavior. We must legitimize deviancy and promote it or we are, oddly enough, considered deviant, a new type of deviant that is not allowed. I guess they have standards after all.

    That's how we're getting the party of perverts and baby killers calling a married man who promotes a strong family weird. They're so enveloped in deviancy that a normal person is strange to them.

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    Henry Racette@HenryRacette·2y

    I wonder to what extent the representative aspect of our democracy works, or perhaps worked, to prevent the kind of conflation of democracy and, what, hyper-tolerant value neutral egalitarianism? you describe.

    Once upon a time, when the people voted and their representatives then governed from far away and generally out-of-sight, it was probably easier to avoid the social peer pressure that today has people using made-up pronouns.

    Anyway, I'm glad to see conversation becoming more frequent here about the real differences between left/right, conservative/radical, etc.

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    Chuck@Chuckles·2y
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Post):

    Old Bathos (View Post):
    the American “elite” no longer pretends that “democracy” is about majority rule under a constitutional system of law. It is only democracy when they get their way. You would think that voters in a democracy would notice and overwhelmingly reject that arrogance.

    I’m so sick of it. Okay, I understand that they’ve taken over every institution. How could we let that happen? And how can we let it continue?? As long as the media supports their definitions, I think we are lost.

    Most importantly, can we stop it? How (without eliminating democracy, that is)? Is it possible? I just don't see how.

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