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June 3, 2024 at 6:42 PM

Separation of Church and State May be on the Line

Susan Quinn
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The State of Louisiana, with the help of a Republican majority legislature, is in the process of approving the posting of the Ten Commandments in K-12 and public college classrooms. As often happens, critics are claiming that this action violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution:

The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law ‘respecting an establishment of religion.’ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.

For many years, anti-religion critics have said that actions like this one from Louisiana represent the establishment of religion. The fact is, nothing related to posting the Ten Commandments warrants this label. The governor has explained why the posting should be acceptable in schools:

GOP state Sen. Jay Morris said Tuesday that ‘the purpose is not solely religious to have the Ten Commandments displayed in our schools, but rather its historical significance.’ He went on to say that the Ten Commandments is ‘simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and the foundation for our legal system.’

The law also ‘authorizes’ — but does not require — the display of the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence and the Northwest Ordinance in K-12 public schools.

One lawmaker stated that there were many more “historical documents” that could have been used. But his comment misses the point that the Ten Commandments are one of the most significant documents in the founding of our country. The sponsor of the bill, Dodie Horton, explained her proposal this way:

‘This is not preaching a Christian religion. It’s not preaching any religion. It’s teaching a moral code,’ Horton said during a committee hearing in April. Last year, the lawmaker sponsored another law that requires all schools to display the national motto ‘In God We Trust’ in public classrooms.

Our religious heritage is represented in several places in our nation’s Capitol, including “In God We Trust,” which is displayed prominently in the House of Representatives and Senate Chambers.

In 1980, there was a similar case from Kentucky at the Supreme Court, Stone v. Graham. For this case, the Lemon test was applied:

In Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), the Supreme Court held that (a) a ‘statute must have a secular legislative purpose’; (b) ‘its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion’; and (c) the statute cannot promote ‘an excessive government entanglement with religion.’ If any of the points are violated, the statute must be ruled unconstitutional.

More recently, however, the Supreme Court decided that a Washington state school violated the First Amendment rights of their football coach, Joe Kennedy, when he recited prayers at games. Justice Gorsuch made the following statement:

‘Respect for religious expressions is indispensable to life in a free and diverse Republic – whether those expressions take place in a sanctuary or on a field, and whether they manifest through the spoken word or a bowed head,’ Gorsuch wrote.

Effectively, the Lemon test has been put aside. With the results of the Kennedy case, future SCOTUS cases may have the following outcomes:

So, in the future, the Court will consider whether the Framers of the Constitution would have regarded the state actions as an establishment of religion.

Now, with the Lemon test officially rejected, it's fair to ask whether, under this alternative test based on ‘historical practices and understandings,’ a state could require a culturally and historically significant document, like the Ten Commandments, to be posted in public school classrooms.

I am especially encouraged to think that Louisiana's action will inspire a movement to clarify "separation of church and state," once and for all. Also, please note this statement: It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion. Do you think the secular atheists have gone too far?

If Governor Morris signs this law, it will be a victory for freedom.

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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill@CarolJoy·2y

    The country began its steep descent into immorality beginning with prohibitions against The Ten Commandments, as well as harsh dictates against Christmas and Easter celebrations in public schools in what used to be considered a moral and Christian nation.

    The hypocrisy of the latter prohibitions has been in full display here in Calif, where no one in the SF Bay area can sing "Silent Night" at a holiday pageant, unless said child is a student inside a large hispanic school district. Then the school district actually pays for the Christmas trees and other celebratory items, as "these are part of the Catholic culture of the school children."

    The same newspapers that urged the public to give up the right to celebrate Christmas then publish stories about how wonderful it is that the latino population is so loyal to traditional Christmas traditions! (Can't we ever have consistency?)

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    Susan Quinn@SusanQuinn·2y
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The country began its steep descent into immorality beginning with prohibitions against The Ten Commandments, as well as harsh dictates against Christmas and Easter celebrations in public schools in what used to be considered a moral and Christian nation.

    The hypocrisy of the latter prohibitions has been in full display here in Calif, where no one in the SF Bay area can sing “Silent Night” at a holiday pageant, unless said child is a student inside a large hispanic school district. Then the school district actually pays for the Christmas trees and other celebratory items, as “these are part of the Catholic culture of the school children.”

    The same newspapers that urged the public to give up the right to celebrate Christmas then publish stories about how wonderful it is that the latino population is so loyal to traditional Christmas traditions! (Can’t we ever have consistency?)

    we ever have consistency?)

    My guess? Not in CA.

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    Rodin@Rodin·2y

    The problem the courts have not yet definitively recognized is that material secularism is also a religion. So when you tear down and prohibit the state from "religious acknowledgement" you are "establishing" a replacement -- material secularism. It isn't immediately obvious because the working assumption is that eventually material secularism will explain everything. It is only within the last couple of decades that the progress toward "solution" has actually identified stranger and stranger phenomena in the structure of the cosmos. That means at the base of material secularism is more "faith" than previously thought -- hence a religion. The current Court seems to have caught the scent and is trying to craft more neutrality than the past supremacy of material secularism.

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    Susan Quinn@SusanQuinn·2y
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    The current Court seems to have caught the scent and is trying to craft more neutrality than the past supremacy of material secularism.

    It's clear that we've all been victimized by the secular materialists, who have been violating the Establishment clause. I don't know that we can convince them that material secularism is a religion, but instead, they have been preferring non-religion over religion. I mentioned this in the OP. That's why I hope they move forward in Louisiana, and establish once and for all that this display is appropriate. And it certainly is not an effort to establish a state religion.

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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)@DonG·2y

    Just to be clear, the separation of church and state establishment clause is NOT on the line as there is no proposal to establish an official religion for Louisiana, right?

    I am concerned about the anti-Christian 6 stripe rainbow flag in some schools. I do believe that symbols that are specific against a particular religion are illegal.

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