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August 31, 2024
August 31, 2024Ricochet

The Three Whisky Happy Hour: Who Is This ‘Prudence’ Person?

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After some preliminary discussion of hot dogs and Kamala's stolen fast food valor, this special episode gets down to serious business—a seminar on the topic of political prudence for a thoroughly recalcitrant and skeptical John Yoo. This topic grew out of a long text thread we had following a Power Line post of Steve's passing along a substantive exchange on Twitter between the Babylon Bee's great Seth Barron and Lucretia on the subject of abortion and prudential politics.

In what ways do the parallels between slavery and abortion apply today? Trump's equivocations are causing considerable distress among many Pro-Life advocates, who point to Lincoln as a superior example—as is quite right to do. But is that example correctly understood? Lucretia thinks not. But the prudence Lucretia and Steve impute to Lincoln is hard to define in bright line ways, because at the summit it can't be defined by any abstract rules beyond being able to proportion means to ends, which assumes a lot already, since there are always multiple competing ends, each subject to deliberation.

But one big thing gets in the way of clear thinking about this difficult matter: utilitarianism. And our resident Bethamite and McRib consumer is dug in on the matter, and we wander into a lot of historical examples for illumination. It gets pretty lively along the way. We'll let listeners decide if Lucretia and Steve make the case adequately.

The poet Randall Jarrell once supposedly said, "If only we could get our hands on this person named 'Society,' we could fix everything." We could easily offer the obvious paraphrase of this for John, and call it a day.

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    GlennAmurgis@GlennAmurgis·2y

    I would read the book about the Tappan brothers

    amazon.com/Brothers-true-life-remarkable-family-America/dp/B0CVLL6MHK

    Two of the brothers were businessmen, Christian, abolitionist and believed in bottom-up solutions (including abolition). The thought you needed to change hearts to change law.

    The third brother was a lawyer/politician, agnostic, who believed in the power of government and believed it should be done via politics.

    this book shows the communication between brothers - it could be applied to the Abortion issue today. We got rid of bad law (Roe), now it is time to change hearts. It's harder to do given the left had a 60-year head start and has become the biggest sacrament of the left's religion.

  • Banned Member@BryanGStephens·2y

    I have got to stop listening on Spotify. They literally put commercials mid sentence.

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    Blondie@Blondie·2y
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have got to stop listening on Spotify. They literally put commercials mid sentence.

    It happened on Apple Podcasts as well, Bryan. I guess there is no way to control that, cause it happens on the flagship podcast, too, sometimes.

  • Banned Member@BryanGStephens·2y

    OMG:

    Mers-el-Kébir

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    Steven Hayward@StevenHayward·2y
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have got to stop listening on Spotify. They literally put commercials mid sentence.

    Blondie (View Comment):

    It happened on Apple Podcasts as well, Bryan. I guess there is no way to control that, cause it happens on the flagship podcast, too, sometimes.

    I did not know this happened!

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