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January 22, 2026
The Back of the Book•January 22, 2026

•Episode length: 57m

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The Rhythm of the Saints

Episode length: 57m

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Poet and critic James Matthew Wilson drops by to share a few poems, discuss his writing process, and consider the re-emergence of form in contemporary poetry. Chris and James also discuss efforts to foster literary excellence in the culture more broadly. The episode includes its federally mandated Seinfeld reference, but this time it’s James who brings it up.

Show notes: ·

James’s most recent poetry collection, Saint Thomas and the Forbidden Birds

The Colosseum Institute

University of St. Thomas’s MFA program

“Quarantine Notebook” – Part XI

Adrienne Rich reads “At a Bach Concert”

Time stamps:

4:11 – Formalism and narrative poetry

18:17 – Publishers, literary journals, and MFA programs

29:06 – Saint Thomas and the Forbidden Birds

43:05 – “Quarantine Notebook”

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.

Produced by Sean Doolan.

Hosted by Christopher J. Scalia

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    Brickhouse Hank@HankRhody·40w

    I reckon I'm more interested in poetry than about two thirds of the population, and I can barely stand the stuff. That said, I'm Mr. Wilson glad he's out there doing his thing. It's important work. The April 30th poem was pretty good.

    Back when I was in junior high my grandma handed me an old collection of poetry. It had a section entitled "Poems that tell a story". There's something to that. You get handed something entitled "The Wreck of the Schooner Hesperus" or "The Charge of the Light Brigade" and you at least know something interesting is going to happen. A lot of poetry doesn't seem to get that far.

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    WilliamWarford@WilliamWarford·40w

    Interesting fellow! Loved the poems and, of course, the federally mandated Seinfeld reference.

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