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October 2, 2025
The Back of the Book•October 2, 2025

•Episode length: 1h 3m

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Panic on the Podcast!

Episode length: 1h 3m

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Chris is joined by Michael Clune, a professor at the Ohio State University’s Salmon P. Chase Center for Civics, Culture, and Society, and the author of the excellent new novel, Pan. They discuss some of the themes and ideas underlying Pan, as well as Michael’s vision of literary scholarship and its place in the modern university.

Show notes:

  • Michael’s new novel, Pan
  • Michael’s previous book, A Defense of Judgement
  • “We Asked for It,” Michael’s 2024 essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education
  • AEI’s recent event, “Literature in Limbo,” for which Michael served as a panelist

Time stamps:

1:12 Pan’s origin and its relation to Michael’s criticism

7:12 The challenges of portraying mental illness in literature

13:51 Ritual and cultural artifacts in the novel

27:33 Technology, shared experience, and the 90s

40:22 Understanding experience through narrative

50:30 The study of literature in higher education

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.

Produced by Sean Doolan and S. Lillywhite.

Hosted by Christopher J. Scalia

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    Brickhouse Hank@HankRhody·1y

    As a rule I avoid books in the genre "English Professor Examines his Neuroses" but this one does seem to have its points.

    The best word I've heard on occultic thinking comes from Brandon Sanderson:

    An old joke notes that lost items tend to be in the last place one looks. Conversely, omens tend to appear in the
    first place people look for them.

    If you wanna examine Dad Rock for mystic symbolism, well, you'll find something.

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