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July 23, 2026
What the Hell Is Going On•July 23, 2026

•Episode length: 42m

American Enterprise Institute

WTH LIVE! From the Aspen Security Forum: WTH Is Going On with Trump’s Foreign Policy? Stephen Hadley, Robert O’Brien, and Michèle Flournoy Explain.

Episode length: 42m

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On this episode of WTH Live! Stephen Hadley, Robert O’Brien, and Michèle Flournoy join Marc on the Aspen Security Forum stage to discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of Trump's foreign policy scorecard. In a frank and bipartisan discussion on what should come next, especially in Ukraine, Iran, and Venezuela, and what the Trump Doctrine has evolved to represent, Marc asks the panelists to fairly reflect on the second Trump Administration. The resolution of the conflicts above hinge on intentional American leadership and clear-eyed peace through strength. So where are we now, and where do we have to go?

Stephen J. Hadley, 20th U.S. National Security Advisor; Founding Principal, Rice, Hadley, Gates & Manuel LLC.

Robert O’Brien, 27th U.S. National Security Advisor; Chairman, American Global Strategies.

Michèle Flournoy, Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; Co-Founder and Managing Partner, WestExec Advisors.

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