We Called It A Raid…

We’re not short on takes about the search (or whatever you wanna call it) at Mar-a-Lago this week; but one can’t ever get enough of people who know what they’re talking about when it comes to something as big as this!

Ricochet’s old friend Andy McCarthy joins to provide just that kinda commentary. He gives some essential vocab clarifications; lays out the charges he believes the Justice Department is actually seeking; and ponders how and when the ethos of the agency went awry – and how he thinks it could be brought back.

Also, Peter recounts how he felt right at home on the range. Plus he and James chat about the shows they “have to” watch and the stuff they can live without.

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  1. kedavis Inactive
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    Andy McCarthy reverts again to insisting the FBI/DOJ/etc are all rock-ribbed patriots in 3…2…1…

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  2. kedavis Inactive
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    It’s just more projection, they’re falsely accusing Trump of doing what the Clintons actually did:  trading technology secrets etc, for campaign money and “donations” to the Clinton Foundation.

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  3. Mark Alexander Coolidge
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    The test is simple: If two FBI agents showed up at your door wanting to interview you without revealing why, would you answer their questions, even with a lawyer present?

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    . . . and how he thinks it could be brought back.

    We don’t want it back.

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  5. Bishop Wash Member
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    The test is simple: If two FBI agents showed up at your door wanting to interview you without revealing why, would you answer their questions, even with a lawyer present?

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  6. Bishop Wash Member
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    The test is simple: If two FBI agents showed up at your door wanting to interview you without revealing why, would you answer their questions, even with a lawyer present?

    I was summoned for jury duty last November. During the questioning, I was ready to answer that if any evidence was coming from the FBI I would assume it was all false. They can’t be trusted. 

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  7. kedavis Inactive
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    Peter didn’t know about the movie 2010?  Well, I’m not “shocked” like Peter would be.

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  8. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    The FBI needs to be disbanded.  200 agents caught taking bribes.  Not one went to prison.  Thats a fact.

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  9. Bishop Wash Member
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    I appreciate James’ idea to honor entertainers before they shuffle off. As long as he doesn’t have Victor Matus like powers to mention an old actor and have him die within a week or two, it would be a nice segment. We can do a test case with Beau Bridges.

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  10. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    The man who lied on a FISA application has his law license back. Perjury is sometimes punished only with a slap on the wrist. 

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  11. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    I listened a bit more.to the podcast. Andy McCarthy obviously doesn’t believe that there was significant voter fraud. On the other hand, he didn’t believe that there was widespread fraud on FISA applications. I don’t trust his judgment anymore.  More evidence about fraud is emerging even if he appears to discount it. My wife found widespread fraud when she had a job investigating it for the Illinois GOP in 2006 and was told to stand down because the Chicago GOP had an agreement with the Democrats.

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  12. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    The test is simple: If two FBI agents showed up at your door wanting to interview you without revealing why, would you answer their questions, even with a lawyer present?

    Not to mention they get to go through your house without anyone watching. Pretty easy to plant whatever evidence you want to plant.

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  13. Taras Coolidge
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    When Republican Congressman Peter Meijer lost his primary ten days ago, for voting to impeach Pres. Trump, he commented that for many Republicans Donald Trump is the only “institution” they trust.

    If the Republicans run somebody else in 2024, he better have Trump’s endorsement.  Even with that, some Trump supporters would sit out the election.

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  14. Stephen Richter Member
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    republican establishment has turned its back on the the working class who volunteer to serve in the combat arms of the military, who vote solid republican.  Years in prison because of a few broken windows.  Ashli Babbit shot dead. Screw them.

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  15. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Taras (View Comment):
    When Republican Congressman Peter Meijer lost his primary ten days ago, for voting to impeach Pres. Trump, he commented that for many Republicans Donald Trump is the only “institution” they trust.

    Perhaps he will pen “the Conservative Case for destroying institutions and supporting tyranny”.

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  16. Leslie Watkins Member
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    I don’t know if I found Andy’s information more frustrating or infuriating. As he described what’s going on with the DOJ/FBI and Trump, clarifying the intricate maze we call our legal system, all I could think was: the law has become absurd, a sick game of musical chairs—and every bit as random—that reduces citizen involvement to the mere act of hiring a lawyer. I feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy has once again pulled out the football.

    * Slightly edited since initially posting.

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  17. kedavis Inactive
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    I don’t know if I found Andy’s information more frustrating or infuriating. As he described the intricacies of what’s going on with the DOJ/FBI and Trump, clarifying the Byzantine maze we call our legal system, all I could think was: the law has become absurd, a sick game of musical chairs and every bit as random, reducing citizen engagement to the mere act of hiring a lawyer. I feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy has once again pulled out the football.

    I don’t think Andy really KNOWS that much about what’s happening, all he can do is speculate on what might usually happen in most cases, etc.

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  18. Samuel Block Support
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    Taras (View Comment):

    When Republican Congressman Peter Meijer lost his primary ten days ago, for voting to impeach Pres. Trump, he commented that for many Republicans Donald Trump is the only “institution” they trust.

    That sounds correct. I can sympathize with those many Republicans but I’m not sure that sentiment will lead to lead to a happy ending. 

    If the Republicans run somebody else in 2024, he better have Trump’s endorsement. Even with that, some Trump supporters would sit out the election.

    That also sounds correct. It poses a problem, though: I can understand why they’d do that for the same reason that I can understand why a lot of Republicans sat on their hands in 2016 and 2020. To varying degrees, all are making (or made) a mistake in my semi-humble O, but I don’t see why we should be worried about entirely satiating either faction.  Even unreliable people have their virtues, but I won’t base my dinner plans around them. 

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  19. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    THANK YOU! Andy McCarthy made such a lot of sense. I appreciate your questions, and the time he was given to answer them. I need to listen a second time and take notes. 

    I grew up on my farm with the cows (hence CowGirl) down the river to the south of Jackson Hole. Wyoming is a beautiful and magical place. (Just too darn cold in the winters for me anymore.) The wild animals “let” us enjoy their presence and keep the humans humble.

    One winter, when I was child, a full-grown bull elk decided he’d just join our herd of cattle that lived in a field out past the barn. He always stayed back when we went out each day with the sled and the horses to spread out the hay. But he joined right in with the farm animals to eat after we went back to the haystacks. My dad mused how this elk was simply mocking him since hunting season had ended. One day towards Spring, he wasn’t there when we went out to feed. He’d slipped back up into the mountains with the rest of the wild things. 

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    Samuel Block (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    When Republican Congressman Peter Meijer lost his primary ten days ago, for voting to impeach Pres. Trump, he commented that for many Republicans Donald Trump is the only “institution” they trust.

    That sounds correct. I can sympathize with those many Republicans but I’m not sure that sentiment will lead to lead to a happy ending.

    If the Republicans run somebody else in 2024, he better have Trump’s endorsement. Even with that, some Trump supporters would sit out the election.

    That also sounds correct. It poses a problem, though: I can understand why they’d do that for the same reason that I can understand why a lot of Republicans sat on their hands in 2016 and 2020. To varying degrees, all are making (or made) a mistake in my semi-humble O, but I don’t see why we should be worried about entirely satiating either faction. Even unreliable people have their virtues, but I won’t base my dinner plans around them.

    Stephen Richter (View Comment):

    republican establishment has turned its back on the the working class who volunteer to serve in the combat arms of the military, who vote solid republican. Years in prison because of a few broken windows. Ashli Babbit shot dead. Screw them.

    Look at what Iwalton says over and over. There is too much centralization in this country. It’s not going to work in various ways including corruption.

    This country did every single thing wrong in the face of wage deflation and job destruction automation and globalized labor. 

    I’m not saying you’re doing that here, but this is when people whine about populism. This is how you get socialism.

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  21. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    If the FBI charges Trump for spreading fraud on the US, how does it not charge itself for the Steele Dossier/Russian Collusion debacle

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    Charlie Kirk had a guest that said the same thing about the FBI turning into an intelligence agency and that’s when the trouble started. It makes perfect sense when you hear the complaints from the informed about what’s wrong with the CIA.  It was Friday’s show.

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  23. Buckpasser Member
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    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    The test is simple: If two FBI agents showed up at your door wanting to interview you without revealing why, would you answer their questions, even with a lawyer present?

    Not to mention they get to go through your house without anyone watching. Pretty easy to plant whatever evidence you want to plant.

    I first thought the FIB “guys” just wanted to try on Melania’s clothes.  Now I think planting evidence was number two on their  “t0 do” list.

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  24. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    I listened a bit more.to the podcast. Andy McCarthy obviously doesn’t believe that there was significant voter fraud. On the other hand, he didn’t believe that there was widespread fraud on FISA applications. I don’t trust his judgment anymore. More evidence about fraud is emerging even if he appears to discount it. My wife found widespread fraud when she had a job investigating it for the Illinois GOP in 2006 and was told to stand down because the Chicago GOP had an agreement with the Democrats.

    Yeah I read the FISA report.  The FBI routinely lies on those.  There was one that had 63 lies on the application.  Ridiculous.  The main podcast s telling you the institutional narrative.  If you want the truth you are going to have to go elsewhere.  The fact is almost no podcast on Ricochet gives you the truth anymore its sad.  I think In The Tank is the only one that questions the mainstream narrative anymore.  Thats partially because the Ricochet Network lost a lot of shows to other sites.  

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  25. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    I don’t know if I found Andy’s information more frustrating or infuriating. As he described the intricacies of what’s going on with the DOJ/FBI and Trump, clarifying the Byzantine maze we call our legal system, all I could think was: the law has become absurd, a sick game of musical chairs and every bit as random, reducing citizen engagement to the mere act of hiring a lawyer. I feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy has once again pulled out the football.

    I don’t think Andy really KNOWS that much about what’s happening, all he can do is speculate on what might usually happen in most cases, etc.

    Certainly true.  When was the last time Andy actually tried a case as a prosecutor or defender in any case in the nation?   10 years ago?  20?  How is he really a legal expert on things these days?   

    Podcasts tend to be interviews of people who interview other people.  They dont actually interview real people who actually do the job.  I think here was when they interviewed Ezra Levant.  Which is one reason I still listen to the main show.  They still can get it right every once in a while.  

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  26. I Walton Member
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    It was created by J Edgar hoover, a crook, among other problems and its skill was PR.  It involved itself when some kind of victory was assured.     Most of the agents are honest, focused etc. and  good people go into it because of its stellar reputation, the consistent PR, heroic stories on radio and then TV but is there a role?   Their role presumably should be cooperation with similar agencies in other countries. What role should it  have in the United States?  Our big embassies had FBI  offices and an agent but I never saw anything either corrupt or useful.   We do need to coordinate and work with other countries when certain  criminal investigations call for coordination and cooperation, but you don’t create a permeant bureaucracy to do such things.     The same thing could be said of states.  Overstaffed, marginal roles are destructive to the persons assigned to them.  Federal employees should be elite, overworked and few.  Folks say we need people who know the foreign language and how to operate abroad.  I never saw an FBI agent who spoke the language, or knew the country.  Sure Spanish speakers, but that’s about it.  Now days I don’t know if we can trust the Foreign Service either.   The US is decaying from the top and  massive bureaucracies are among the reasons. 

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    Adam Carolla and Mark Geragos have some funny analysis about the use of the term “raid” on the latest reasonable doubt podcast. It’s at the 18:00 mark.

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  28. Mark Alexander Coolidge
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    I listened a bit more.to the podcast. Andy McCarthy obviously doesn’t believe that there was significant voter fraud. On the other hand, he didn’t believe that there was widespread fraud on FISA applications. I don’t trust his judgment anymore. More evidence about fraud is emerging even if he appears to discount it. My wife found widespread fraud when she had a job investigating it for the Illinois GOP in 2006 and was told to stand down because the Chicago GOP had an agreement with the Democrats.

    Yeah I read the FISA report. The FBI routinely lies on those. There was one that had 63 lies on the application. Ridiculous. The main podcast s telling you the institutional narrative. If you want the truth you are going to have to go elsewhere. The fact is almost no podcast on Ricochet gives you the truth anymore its sad. I think In The Tank is the only one that questions the mainstream narrative anymore. Thats partially because the Ricochet Network lost a lot of shows to other sites.

    Don’t forget Lucretia.

    https://ricochet.com/podcast/powerline/the-three-whisky-happy-hour-now-with-three-hosts/

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    Thats partially because the Ricochet Network lost a lot of shows to other sites.  

    Ricochet is better off without Bill Kristol or The Remnant.

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    Podcasts tend to be interviews of people who interview other people.  They dont actually interview real people who actually do the job.

    100%. That’s pretty much what news programs are. Interviewers interviewing other interviewers on subjects about which they’re both ignorant.

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