Too Late To Turn Back Now

If your for seeking out the good amid the darkness these days, this episode’s for you. The doctors are in! And while the prognosis ain’t great, we’re gonna do what we can! First up is our friend Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who keeps us up to date on all things CoViD.  Then we’re joined by Glenn Loury, the legendary Professor of Economics  at Brown University and also the creator of one of America’s most essential substack  newletters. He and the guys discuss our country’s disheartening racial climate, and yet manage to find some encouraging signs. Chin up and happy summer, everyone.

Music from this week’s episode: Too Late To Turn Back Now by Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose

Subscribe to Ricochet Podcast in Apple Podcasts (and leave a 5-star review, please!), or by RSS feed. For all our podcasts in one place, subscribe to the Ricochet Audio Network Superfeed in Apple Podcasts or by RSS feed.

Please Support Our Sponsors!

DonorsTrust

Fast Growing Trees

Kitty Poo Club

Now become a Ricochet member for only $5.00 a month! Join and see what you’ve been missing.

There are 26 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. Peter Robinson Contributor
    Peter Robinson
    @PeterRobinson

    EGG-ON-FACE CORRECTION:

    Toward the beginning of the podcast, I mention that the population of Gaza is about a million. Turns out I was off by 100 percent, not a small proportion: The correct figure is two million. Regrets.

    • #1
  2. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    EGG-ON-FACE CORRECTION:

    Toward the beginning of the podcast, I mention that the population of Gaza is about a million. Turns out I was off by 100 percent, not a small proportion: The correct figure is two million. Regrets.

    That is alright. We like you anyway. My compliments to the graphic guy. That is a perfectly wholesome picture of Americana.

    • #2
  3. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Henry Castaigne: My compliments to the graphic guy.

    Imma changing my handle to that.

    • #3
  4. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    EGG-ON-FACE CORRECTION:

    Toward the beginning of the podcast, I mention that the population of Gaza is about a million. Turns out I was off by 100 percent, not a small proportion: The correct figure is two million. Regrets.

    Speaking of corrections, some of you may have received a version of the show that has a minute of silence immediately after the end of Dr. Bhattacharya’s segment. This error now been fixed and a corrected version of the show has been published. If you have the version with the long stretch of silence, delete the file on your device and re-download the show again to receive the corrected version. 

    I apologize for yet another mistake and for the inconvenience. I will be spending the weekend re-assessing my life choices. 

    • #4
  5. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Why is Peter so impressed by foreign service/policy resumes, especially of people in THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION???

    • #5
  6. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Why is Peter so impressed by foreign service/policy resumes, especially of people in THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION???

    Huh? What are you talking about? He is talking to two Doctors in this podcast. 

    • #6
  7. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Why is Peter so impressed by foreign service/policy resumes, especially of people in THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION???

    Huh? What are you talking about? He is talking to two Doctors in this podcast.

    I’m referring to before Dr Jay came on, when Peter was singing the praises of foreign-policy experts in the Biden Administration with such impressive resumes, why they MUST know how to handle Gaza etc.

    And it sure didn’t sound like he was being sarcastic.

    • #7
  8. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Why is Peter so impressed by foreign service/policy resumes, especially of people in THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION???

    Huh? What are you talking about? He is talking to two Doctors in this podcast.

    I’m referring to before Dr Jay came on, when Peter was singing the praises of foreign-policy experts in the Biden Administration with such impressive resumes, why they MUST know how to handle Gaza etc.

    And it sure didn’t sound like he was being sarcastic.

    My bad I missed that. But I think he must have been dryly sarcastic. 

    • #8
  9. Peter Robinson Contributor
    Peter Robinson
    @PeterRobinson

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Why is Peter so impressed by foreign service/policy resumes, especially of people in THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION???

    Huh? What are you talking about? He is talking to two Doctors in this podcast.

    I’m referring to before Dr Jay came on, when Peter was singing the praises of foreign-policy experts in the Biden Administration with such impressive resumes, why they MUST know how to handle Gaza etc.

    And it sure didn’t sound like he was being sarcastic.

    I was asking how such smart people could be so very foolish.

    • #9
  10. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Why is Peter so impressed by foreign service/policy resumes, especially of people in THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION???

    Huh? What are you talking about? He is talking to two Doctors in this podcast.

    I’m referring to before Dr Jay came on, when Peter was singing the praises of foreign-policy experts in the Biden Administration with such impressive resumes, why they MUST know how to handle Gaza etc.

    And it sure didn’t sound like he was being sarcastic.

    I was asking how such smart people could be so very foolish.

    I don’t accept that they’re actually smart, to begin with.  “Educated,” sure.  Indoctrinated, definitely.  But even if they were actually smart, Biden has been said to have been wrong about every foreign-policy issue for maybe 50 years now, since time has passed since he was said to have been wrong about every foreign-policy issue for 40 years.  Presumably he would staff his administration with people who at least mostly agree with him, which means they’re wrong too.

    • #10
  11. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Screen shots from today’s show: 

    • #11
  12. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

    Today’s show was linked on Doug TenNapel’s video today!  No link as I am on my phone. 

    • #12
  13. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    The Dr. Jay Bhattacharya segment was excellent. Yesterday on Fox and Friends Dr. Siegel had a very good summary of this new mask research. It’s four minutes long. I would link to it, but it’s not very easy like with YouTube. It sickens me to think that they aren’t going to have honest hearings about how these things didn’t work. They were only possibly efficacious in certain narrow circumstances that were obvious to anybody that was thinking. They didn’t do a damn thing at the society level. 

    Lockdowns just pushed it into the future and only should have been used sparingly to save the medical system. Masks did hardly anything at all.

    • #13
  14. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    The sooner we atomize the education system, the sooner the aggregate value is going to go straight up like a rocket.

    There is a really good podcast of Nick Gillespie and Thaddeus Russell of renegade University. It is just brutal on what a scam the accreditation system is. Liz wolf of reason Magazine also wrote a great article about her own college experience in The Federalist.

    It’s the same thing at the local level. Just cut a check to the parents and the aggregate value is going to go straight up.

    • #14
  15. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    The lockdowns accomplished their secondary goal. One that Rob is happy with, the removal of Trump. The governors were willing to destroy their economies knowing that the blame would be placed on Trump and media arm of the Democrat Party would sell that as hard as they could. A number of states implemented shady election changes, some unconstitutional but Roberts was afraid to confront them, and 81 million people allegedly voted for a turnip brain who hid in his basement.

    Trump had a successful rally in Albuquerque in September 2019 and promised to return in 2020. I’m convinced that Gov. Karen Wuhan kept her no more than five people could gather in public edict in place until November partially to prevent such a rally.

    • #15
  16. Quickz Member
    Quickz
    @Quickz

    I subscribe to, “too many,” podcasts, but will listen to every The Glenn Show podcast that has McWhorter as the guest. Often I find myself seeing another guest that piques my interest. Great man, great podcast, great learning.

    • #16
  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    I don’t feel much compassion for other people wanting to impose their anxiety and fear upon me. People need to manage their own feelings and not expect others to behave differently because they are basket cases.

    Everyone needs to grow up and be an adult. The lesson here is that the powers that be in the world did a whole bunch of damage for nothing. Accept it, and grow up.

    I will never trust the CDC or any experts again, because they have proven they were so, so wrong. The Public Health Authorities will be judged in the future as destroyers. Again, I’ll never trust them again. As a good father, I will teach my children that they cannot be trusted, anymore than any other government institution. Not one.

    • #17
  18. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
    GlennAmurgis
    @GlennAmurgis

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I don’t feel much compassion for other people wanting to impose their anxiety and fear upon me. People need to manage their own feelings and not expect others to behave differently because they are basket cases.

    Everyone needs to grow up and be an adult. The lesson here is that the powers that be in the world did a whole bunch of damage for nothing. Accept it, and grow up.

    I will never trust the CDC or any experts again, because they have proven they were so, so wrong. The Public Health Authorities will be judged in the future as destroyers. Again, I’ll never trust them again. As a good father, I will teach my children that they cannot be trusted, anymore than any other government institution. Not one.

    It’s not limited to the CDC, after IRS scandal, Russian Collusion, “Former Intelligence officers” telling us Hunter Laptop story was Russian Disinformation, WMD in Iraq, most of the Federal Bureaucracy has failed over and over 

    • #18
  19. Wolfsheim Member
    Wolfsheim
    @Wolfsheim

    A very fine podcast, with great guests. It’s always a pleasure to hear Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and I very much hope that you bring back the inspiring Dr. Glenn Loury. There is still hope in America!

     

     

    • #19
  20. Wolfsheim Member
    Wolfsheim
    @Wolfsheim

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):
    Jay Bhattacharya

    Indeed! I have not a few friends who are (now retired) foreign service officers. No one can deny their intelligence, knowledge, and experience. The problem is a certain “State Department mindset”; some struggle to overcome it better than others. The temptation to think that by virtue of one’s membership in the diplomatic elite one is morally and intellectually above the common herd must be very difficult to resist…I grew up in the Cold War era, when, for all general human frailty, it should have been clear who the “good guys” and the “bad guys” were. And yet it became fashionable to hedge, and that became the mark of the “thoughtful” intellectual. Plus ça change… Instead of seeing the current “bad guys” (Iran, Hamas, China, North Korea…) for what they are, one sees “nuances” and “opportunities.” How can one expect the State Department to hang tough on anything, when it allows BLM flags to be flown over its embassies?

     

    • #20
  21. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Screen shots from today’s show:

    Bespectacled Brahmins? Clear eyed consciousness? Conflict of  Corrected Visions? Twenty/Twenty vision for twenty twenty one?

    • #21
  22. ericB Lincoln
    ericB
    @ericB

    In regard to the false “equity” mindset about expecting proportional outcomes, this is well worth quoting and highlighting…

    “Well, I think that’s demonstrably false.  In fact, I think Thomas Sowell has demonstrated empirically that that’s a false claim about the world.  Parity between groups is to be observed essentially nowhere.  In fact, the argument has an internal contradiction in my mind, which is that, you think identity is really so important that these groups matter, that they are thick with content and substance.  So, I’m black, I’m Latino, I’m gay, etc. I’m a Native American and Pacific Islander and that’s a type, and that’s a category, and that’s a group, and that’s to be distinguished from other groups and respected, not to be tread upon, not to have a cultural appropriation taken of it.  The group has groupness.  It has thickness.  It has content.

    “And then you imagine that all the groups are going to be represented in neurology and biophysics and English literature and in the law and in engineering in the same proportions. But I thought that the groups were groups.  I thought that they had values and internal content, which would shape the way that people aspire in their lives.  If that’s the case, how could I possibly expect that the groups would then produce the same proportion of people attending law school and medical school and going into business for themselves or working in finance and writing novels and whatever.

    “So, I think that both the empirical observation — Look around the world where you see ethnic diversity.  You don’t see parity anywhere. — but there’s also in my mind this internal contradiction on their own terms.  Groups matter, and yet groups are supposed to come out in a fair system with proportional outcomes across the board.”

    -Glenn Loury, Professor of Economics at Brown University

    Excellent!

    @peterrobinson ‘s response:

    “Milton Friedman used to say that it’s the quality of a genuine insight that the moment someone states it, it seems obvious.”

    • #22
  23. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    A very fine podcast, with great guests. It’s always a pleasure to hear Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and I very much hope that you bring back the inspiring Dr. Glenn Loury. There is still hope in America!

    You can count on hearing from both Jay and Glenn on this podcast — as often as they’ll let us.

    Also, I can’t remember if Glenn mentioned this on the air or off, but this is the episode of Good Fellows (the show I produce for Hoover) he referred to. He is excellent in it:

     

    • #23
  24. Rjcarell Coolidge
    Rjcarell
    @Rjcarell

    Great podcast.   We did not have professors like Dr Loury when I attended Brown in the 70’s.  

    We had Brother Ah who taught Semiotics whatever the heck that was.  First homework assignment:  LISTEN!     Second assignment: DONT KILL ANYTHING!   

    Dr Loury’s course about dead white authors is a big improvement!    

    • #24
  25. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    Excellent and informative podcast fellas!  I hadn’t considered the situation Australia and New Zealand has put themselves in with their zero cases standard.  Lack of interest in the vaccine combined with shutting down if 5 cases appear equals what?  Total indefinite isolation?   

    • #25
  26. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    ericB (View Comment):

    In regard to the false “equity” mindset about expecting proportional outcomes, this is well worth quoting and highlighting…

    “Well, I think that’s demonstrably false. In fact, I think Thomas Sowell has demonstrated empirically that that’s a false claim about the world. Parity between groups is to be observed essentially nowhere. In fact, the argument has an internal contradiction in my mind, which is that, you think identity is really so important that these groups matter, that they are thick with content and substance. So, I’m black, I’m Latino, I’m gay, etc. I’m a Native American and Pacific Islander and that’s a type, and that’s a category, and that’s a group, and that’s to be distinguished from other groups and respected, not to be tread upon, not to have a cultural appropriation taken of it. The group has groupness. It has thickness. It has content.

    “And then you imagine that all the groups are going to be represented in neurology and biophysics and English literature and in the law and in engineering in the same proportions. But I thought that the groups were groups. I thought that they had values and internal content, which would shape the way that people aspire in their lives. If that’s the case, how could I possibly expect that the groups would then produce the same proportion of people attending law school and medical school and going into business for themselves or working in finance and writing novels and whatever.

    “So, I think that both the empirical observation — Look around the world where you see ethnic diversity. You don’t see parity anywhere. — but there’s also in my mind this internal contradiction on their own terms. Groups matter, and yet groups are supposed to come out in a fair system with proportional outcomes across the board.”

    -Glenn Loury, Professor of Economics at Brown University

    Excellent!

    @ peterrobinson ‘s response:

    “Milton Friedman used to say that it’s the quality of a genuine insight that the moment someone states it, it seems obvious.”

    If  Milton Friedman were around today, he would say that it’s the quality of a genuine insight that the moment someone states it, it is called racist.

    • #26