Putting Out Fires

Got a Super-Sized show for you this week chocked full of topics and Big Name Guests®. First up, we take a look at the state of California, which appears to be regressing back to the 19th century in real time. Then, Douglas Murray stops by to discuss his new book The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity which ponders and answers all of the provocative questions posed by the words in that title. Then, our old friend, fellow Ricochet podcaster, cable news star and human trending topic on Twitter John Yoo joins to clear up exactly what he thinks about Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman. Did Laura Ingraham trap him into saying something he did not mean to say? Were we as tough on him as Chris Cuomo? Listen, decide, and let us know in the comments. Then, @rushbabe49 wins the highly coveted, much sought after Lileks Post of The Week prize for her The Story That Disappeared post, and yes, there’s a new Long Poll question too. Finally, (and we do mean finally), Obama calls out cancel culture, and President Trump runs a new campaign commercial and you’ll never believe who it impressed.

Music from this week’s show: Cleanin’ Out My Closet by Eminem

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  1. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    Republicans I know here in blue Seattle as well as my cousins in Dallas, are unanimously supporting Trump and are furious at the Dems for putting our country through this, so I do not believe the WaPo poll. Gallup still shows him at 87% Republican support. Rob just may be talking to too many Dems or nevers about Trump. By the way, there are also people in this world and many on Ricochet who would take serious offense at calling him a pig. Perhaps we all need to be reminded that 63 million Americans voted for this man to be our president and accord him and them with a modicum of respect. And one more thing: millions of dog lovers were delighted when they saw the picture of that brave dog who risked his life and was injured. I hope Trump invites him to the White House and gives him the medal for real along with a huge medium rare filet mignon.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 3:17 PM PST
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  2. Spin Coolidge

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    for putting our country through this,

    Let’s stop saying that. Whatever this is, it ain’t that bad. It’s dumb, yeah, but it ain’t causing me any angst.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 3:44 PM PST
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  3. ShellGamer Member

    Where’d it go, the download is blank,

     

     

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    • November 1, 2019, at 4:05 PM PST
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  4. Blue Yeti Admin

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    By the way, there are also people in this world and many on Ricochet who would take serious offense at calling him a pig. Perhaps we all need to be reminded that 63 million Americans voted for this man to be our president and accord him and them with a modicum of respect

    I don’t want to continue an argument/side conversation that has nothing to do with this show, so I won’t post one of the 100 or so YouTube super cut videos of Trump-coined nicknames that includes several Republicans as targets. Because that would be too easy. 

    There are lots of legit issues to defend the President around. Nicknames/name calling isn’t one of them. He literally started it. 

    P.S. No one criticized the dog Tweet. There were praising it. 

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    • November 1, 2019, at 4:06 PM PST
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  5. Annefy Member

    As to whether or not anyone but Californians care about California … I’ve been fielding calls from Canada, Australia and Scotland. The fires are getting international coverage. As to who cares, well, my relatives seem to be concerned.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 4:17 PM PST
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  6. James Lileks Contributor

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    P.S. No one criticized the dog Tweet. There were praising it. 

    I was referring to the photoshopped medal-of-honor tweet, which drew some blue-check hysteria.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 4:32 PM PST
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  7. Blue Yeti Admin

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    P.S. No one criticized the dog Tweet. There were praising it.

    I was referring to the photoshopped medal-of-honor tweet, which drew some blue-check hysteria.

    Yes, that’s what I meant about praising it. 

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    • November 1, 2019, at 4:36 PM PST
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  8. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    There are lots of legit issues to defend the President around. Nicknames/name calling isn’t one of them. He literally started it. 

    Thank you. And Trump recently called some people, “human scum”. “Pig” seems pretty mild compared with the language he uses.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 4:49 PM PST
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  9. EJHill Podcaster

    What’s all this fuss about Photoshops? I just don’t understand…

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    • November 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM PST
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  10. Seawriter Member

    Rob believes Washington Post polls? Who knew? That is the twenty-first century definition of gullibility.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 5:07 PM PST
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  11. kedavis Member

    Sorry, @jameslileks but interstellar space IS the space between star systems. Like interstate highways/freeways are the roads that (at least theoretically, and when they want federal money to build them) cross state boundaries/between states.

    The space inside a solar system is interplanetary.

    Intergalactic space is the space between galaxies.

    Intramural sports are the ones that take place within a group.

    So, it’s intra- versus inter-.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 5:39 PM PST
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  12. kedavis Member

    I don’t think Elizabeth Warren is being honest. It’s an offshoot of the “Medicare For All, except Me” misunderstanding that appears to be widespread. Yes, it REALLY means that union health plans go away. But see how many union members you can find who understand and believe that. And Warren isn’t putting any effort into correcting those errors.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 5:46 PM PST
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  13. kedavis Member

    “Dead spot” is demeaning to Zombie-Americans.

    And to Jeffrey Dahmer, I suppose.

     

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    • November 1, 2019, at 5:50 PM PST
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  14. kedavis Member

    I think Rob may not be seeing that each little crazy segment – salami slice, or whatever – of the left/Democrat party, is willing to pretend the OTHER little crazy segments (salami slices) aren’t really a problem, as long as none of them points out that any of the other little crazy segments are, indeed, crazy.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 6:05 PM PST
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  15. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    By the way, there are also people in this world and many on Ricochet who would take serious offense at calling him a pig. Perhaps we all need to be reminded that 63 million Americans voted for this man to be our president and accord him and them with a modicum of respect

    I don’t want to continue an argument/side conversation that has nothing to do with this show, so I won’t post one of the 100 or so YouTube super cut videos of Trump-coined nicknames that includes several Republicans as targets. Because that would be too easy.

    There are lots of legit issues to defend the President around. Nicknames/name calling isn’t one of them. He literally started it.

    P.S. No one criticized the dog Tweet. There were praising it.

    First of all, my mother always told us two wrongs do not make a right, especially unkind name calling. It’s juvenile and unseemly when Trump does it, and the same should apply here. You would rightly call me out for calling someone a pig as it’s against the coc.

    Secondly, James, a major dog lover, referred to the dog. I didn’t think for a moment that he was criticizing it, so I can only assume I should have worded my dog comments differently. My bad. James, please accept my apology as I didn’t mean to disparage your reference to the dog and meant to praise it.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 6:51 PM PST
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  16. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    P.S. No one criticized the dog Tweet. There were praising it.

    I was referring to the photoshopped medal-of-honor tweet, which drew some blue-check hysteria.

    James, my wording was lousy, and I’m sorry for it. I was glad you mentioned the dog and only meant to convey that I think he deserved a real medal, not just photoshopped. I followed closely your agony when you lost your dog. Our military and police dog heroes seldom get enough credit for the Work they do.

     

     

     

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    • November 1, 2019, at 7:06 PM PST
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  17. Blue Yeti Admin

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    First of all, my mother always told us two wrongs do not make a right, especially unkind name calling. It’s juvenile and unseemly when Trump does it, and the same should apply here. You would rightly call me out for calling someone a pig as it’s against the coc.

    I agree 100% with this and I appreciate you saying it. Thanks.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 7:11 PM PST
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  18. Samuel Block Member

    Whoa! 😲

    Hearing James talk about the fires, I’m having double déjà vu – meaning both the fire talk and the feeling of déjà vu are part of the déjà vu.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 8:08 PM PST
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  19. Samuel Block Member

    Here’s a great Chapelle response to questions on free speech. Just marvelous!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1188956245878824962?lang=en

    Also, Murray’s point on young people using past missteps to make reading Kant, for instance, to be beneath them was spot on. He’s a fun guest, I hope he can get into the rotation with you guys.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 8:49 PM PST
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  20. James Lileks Contributor

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sorry, @jameslileks but interstellar space IS the space between star systems.

    I know! I mean the space beyond the earliest farthest star. If there’s no star beyond that star, the space cannot be interstellar. It would be exospace, or something, and hence not under the purview of the Episcopalian God.

     

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    • November 1, 2019, at 8:55 PM PST
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  21. James Lileks Contributor

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    Secondly, James, a major dog lover, referred to the dog. I didn’t think for a moment that he was criticizing it, so I can only assume I should have worded my dog comments differently. My bad. James, please accept my apology as I didn’t mean to disparage your reference to the dog and meant to praise it.

    no offense taken! All’s good.

     

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    • November 1, 2019, at 8:57 PM PST
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  22. kedavis Member

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sorry, @jameslileks but interstellar space IS the space between star systems.

    I know! I mean the space beyond the earliest farthest star. If there’s no star beyond that star, the space cannot be interstellar. It would be exospace, or something, and hence not under the purview of the Episcopalian God.

     

    Well if you mean the space between galaxies, that’s the intergalactic stuff. If you mean space beyond all galaxies, if it even exists that might still be intergalactic. Or extra-galactic. But if that space does exist, with nothing, there’s nothing to be God OF. Episcopalian or otherwise.

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    • November 1, 2019, at 9:16 PM PST
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  23. Samuel Block Member

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sorry, @jameslileks but interstellar space IS the space between star systems.

    I know! I mean the space beyond the earliest farthest star. If there’s no star beyond that star, the space cannot be interstellar. It would be exospace, or something, and hence not under the purview of the Episcopalian God.

     

    Well if you mean the space between galaxies, that’s the intergalactic stuff. If you mean space beyond all galaxies, if it even exists that might still be intergalactic. Or extra-galactic. But if that space does exist, with nothing, there’s nothing to be God OF. Episcopalian or otherwise.

    God of “just-regular space.”

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    • November 1, 2019, at 9:21 PM PST
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  24. kedavis Member

    But what about Zarquon? That’s what I want to know!

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    • November 1, 2019, at 9:35 PM PST
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  25. WilliamDean Coolidge

    I suspect one or more of those bishops was a Coltrane fan.

     

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    • November 2, 2019, at 12:42 AM PST
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  26. WilliamDean Coolidge

    kedavis (View Comment):

    “Dead spot” is demeaning to Zombie-Americans.

    And to Jeffrey Dahmer, I suppose.

     

    It’s an affront to the dignity of death. The Euthanasia advocates will be howling about it soon enough.

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    • November 2, 2019, at 1:49 AM PST
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  27. ericB Listener

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    And one more thing: millions of dog lovers were delighted when they saw the picture of that brave dog who risked his life and was injured. I hope Trump invites him to the White House and gives him the medal for real along with a huge medium rare filet mignon.

    Yes, it would be great if he gave the dog that paw print medal for real and posed in front of the same background etc. Make it as close to the photoshop as feasible. Life imitating art. He could perhaps even make that dog medal some kind of official recognition of appreciated canine service.

    I wonder, what would the Democrats say then to that? Try to double down? Just move on and change the subject?

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    • November 2, 2019, at 2:42 AM PST
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  28. ericB Listener

    The debunking by @johnyoo of the “pitch that the Democrats in the House are setting out” includes this excellent explanation that corrects some very widespread misunderstandings, which were especially promoted during the Clinton impeachment.

    Starting at around 58:25 to 58:32 depending on source.

     

    Impeachment is not like the criminal process. One reason why, just an obvious reason why, … is that you don’t actually have to commit a crime to be impeached. The framers were quite clear that impeachment is only the system to remove someone from office. It’s going to be by nature a mixture of law and politics. But you can impeach someone and remove them from office for something that is not a violation of criminal law.

    [Trump hypothetical]

    And the framers were quite clear you could remove a President from an abuse of power.

    [First distorting consequence of the Clinton impeachment: partisan voting]

    But the second thing about the Clinton impeachment that I think is a mistake, that we all learn from it, is that we focus on the idea, “You can only remove a President if they’ve committed a crime.” But that’s not true.

    So, Presidents can commit crimes which are not worth impeachment. They can also do things which are not criminal which are worth impeachment, like abuse of power.

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    • November 2, 2019, at 3:40 AM PST
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  29. Bishop Wash Member

    I liked James’ idea of using dentists for all our medical needs to get around a potential law. Got me thinking that barbers could return to their roots and be surgeons again. Just going to pop on down to the barbershop for my flu shot. 

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    • November 2, 2019, at 6:38 AM PST
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  30. Rightfromthestart Coolidge

    The morning it was announced that Bruce Jenner had become Caitlin I was struck by the look of pure fear in the eyes of my local news hosts that they might accidentally use the wrong name or pronoun, it was like they were tiptoeing through a minefield. How did this minuscule minority attain such power?

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    • November 2, 2019, at 6:53 AM PST
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