Mickey Mouse Mask Mandates

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  1. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    So, @roblong is also an Earth Day Hero.

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  2. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    And, @jameslileks someone in the comments here recently mentioned “People Of The Mask” which seems pretty much on the mark.

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  3. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    I’d sure like to know what this legal issue is supposed to be.

    Wasn’t paying for membership, and the CoC, supposed to avoid that kind of thing?

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  4. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I’d sure like to know what this legal issue is supposed to be.

    Wasn’t paying for membership, and the CoC, supposed to avoid that kind of thing?

    I can’t get into the details of this at the moment,  but it has nothing to do with the membership side of Ricochet, including posts or comments written by members or contributors (or staff). 

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  5. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Well nothing is hidden these days, a quick google search turned it up.  I’m not a member of the sites that hold those documents, but I expect someone on Ricochet will be.

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  6. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Once Rob indicated that there was something to look for, it was over.

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  7. FaithClendenen Coolidge
    FaithClendenen
    @FaithClendenen

    The rescinding of the special district applied to all special districts created before 1968, and there are apparently a lot of them.  And this new law allows for what is essentially an appeal to get their special status back.  The law does not single out Disney alone.

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  8. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    FaithClendenen (View Comment):

    The rescinding of the special district applied to all special districts created before 1968, and there are apparently a lot of them. And this new law allows for what is essentially an appeal to get their special status back. The law does not single out Disney alone.

    I thought I heard somewhere that the law applies to “any company that operates a streaming service and a theme park”” or something, but maybe that was just a joke.

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  9. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    I’m surprised at the Disney conversation. Unless I’m an idiot (always a possibility), all of you are capable of making fine distinctions when you argue, and all of you failed to make an important distinction regarding what the Disney CEO did.

    He did NOT merely express a political opinion. If he had, this would be the free speech issue you discussed.

    No, he declared that Disney would take an active role by inserting themselves into the political process of Florida govt, and actively seek to overturn the law.

    The free speech argument is moot.

    C’mon you guys. Especially you, Steve. Wish Lucretia were on. One kick-ass woman against four sloppy men. It would have been no contest!

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  10. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    So it amused me greatly that this afternoon I listened to a pop-culture show which had more legal knowledge on the Disney situation than anyone on the podcast, including two constitutional legal scholars.

    The situation with the original deal with Disney when they were granted this exemption was they also had to build Walts city of tomorrow.  A fully functional municipality with a mayor and city council and an active populace.  Disney never did this.  This is one of the outs the Florida Republican party noted when they passed the bill.  Hence Disney is in breach of contract and the state is right to revoke the status.  

    Disney is the one who is in breach of the original contract.

    It was funny listen to John Yoo ponder that anyone read the contract.  Well one of the panelists on Midnights Edge the pop culture podcast had read the contract.  All 60 pages of it and could this discuss without pulling it out half baked, like this show, though I fully understand it was a last minute changeover and people wanted to be topical even though neither side knew what they were talking about.

    The additional situation is that because they were a municipality, Disney could issue municipal bonds tax free, which gave them massive advantage over every other park in the State.  Including Universal Studios, Busch Gardens or Seaworld.  By taking this advantage away from Disney they are leveling the playing field.  It doesnt get more conservative than that.  

    Finally the reason Democrats have a hard time dealing with this bill, is because they had tried to pass a similar bill a few years ago, and the Republicans just copied and pasted.  

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  11. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    Finally the reason Democrats have a hard time dealing with this bill, is because they had tried to pass a similar bill a few years ago, and the Republicans just copied and pasted.  

    Back when they thought Disney was somehow too conservative?  Or did it have a different subject/target?

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  12. Leslie Watkins Member
    Leslie Watkins
    @LeslieWatkins

    De Santis should have called for a renegotiation of terms of the state’s contract with Disney. No legal downside that way. Also, it would make the issue linger and, quite likely, bring lots of citizens to the fore.

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  13. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    kedavis (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    Finally the reason Democrats have a hard time dealing with this bill, is because they had tried to pass a similar bill a few years ago, and the Republicans just copied and pasted.

    Back when they thought Disney was somehow too conservative? Or did it have a different subject/target?

    When it was just a big giant corporation I guess.  That was more a passing comment during the show.  

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  14. JennaStocker Member
    JennaStocker
    @JennaStocker

    A very good audible call with the fill-in’s special appearances of Messrs. Hayward and Yoo. Not a knock against the usual hosts, but there seems to be a more jovial mood and conversation – or maybe it’s the end of the masking. Of which I found the most interesting part of the episode, and related to the usurpation of congressional decision making to the bureaucracy blob. But I wonder if it’s the natural progression of decades of handing over our rights little by little to an ever-powerful federal government? Everything from abortion to land use to welfare has been taken after we’ve decided the government was the best entity to make these decisions – or judgments – and now rely on that same government to solve or protect us from global pandemics, and even encourage our fellow citizens to be the little enforcers of such draconian measures. Not only that but make whatever should be left in the political realm bleed into the moral. I’m glad Mr. Hayward mentioned his new book on M. Stanton Evans. I first heard about it on John Miller’s podcast. I hope it’s a good reminder that conservatives had people who worked hard establishing a sturdy infrastructure for future generations, like Greg Gutfeld, from which to work. I only wish we wouldn’t squander it nor keep us locked in the past. Great show!

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  15. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    The additional situation is that because they were a municipality, Disney could issue municipal bonds tax free, which gave them massive advantage over every other park in the State. 

    That is interesting. Nobody is talking about this. 

    I have a hard time believing that DeSantis hasn’t thought this through really well. 

    Generally speaking, the right needs to punch back very hard on corporations that behave like this. That is just the nature of the world and if you don’t want everything to move left all of the time that is what you have to do.

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  16. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    So it amused me greatly that this afternoon I listened to a pop-culture show which had more legal knowledge on the Disney situation than anyone on the podcast, including two constitutional legal scholars.

    The situation with the original deal with Disney when they were granted this exemption was they also had to build Walts city of tomorrow. A fully functional municipality with a mayor and city council and an active populace. Disney never did this. This is one of the outs the Florida Republican party noted when they passed the bill. Hence Disney is in breach of contract and the state is right to revoke the status.

    Disney is the one who is in breach of the original contract.

    It was funny listen to John Yoo ponder that anyone read the contract. Well one of the panelists on Midnights Edge the pop culture podcast had read the contract. All 60 pages of it and could this discuss without pulling it out half baked, like this show, though I fully understand it was a last minute changeover and people wanted to be topical even though neither side knew what they were talking about.

    The additional situation is that because they were a municipality, Disney could issue municipal bonds tax free, which gave them massive advantage over every other park in the State. Including Universal Studios, Busch Gardens or Seaworld. By taking this advantage away from Disney they are leveling the playing field. It doesnt get more conservative than that.

    Finally the reason Democrats have a hard time dealing with this bill, is because they had tried to pass a similar bill a few years ago, and the Republicans just copied and pasted.

    I keep waiting for someone to bring it up, yet no one (except you) has. It’s low hanging fruit. I’m old enough to remember when Disney World was built, and the plan for a population to actually live there. Since that never happened, the original deal never made sense. At least to me.

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  17. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    The additional situation is that because they were a municipality, Disney could issue municipal bonds tax free, which gave them massive advantage over every other park in the State.

    That is interesting. Nobody is talking about this.

    I have a hard time believing that DeSantis hasn’t thought this through really well.

    Generally speaking, the right needs to punch back very hard on corporations that behave like this. That is just the nature of the world and if you don’t want everything to move left all of the time that is what you have to do.

    Yeah the big difference being a Canadian conservative vs an American one, is that I have no problem using the power of the state to get what I want or go after bad actors.  

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  18. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    Annefy (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    So it amused me greatly that this afternoon I listened to a pop-culture show which had more legal knowledge on the Disney situation than anyone on the podcast, including two constitutional legal scholars.

    The situation with the original deal with Disney when they were granted this exemption was they also had to build Walts city of tomorrow. A fully functional municipality with a mayor and city council and an active populace. Disney never did this. This is one of the outs the Florida Republican party noted when they passed the bill. Hence Disney is in breach of contract and the state is right to revoke the status.

    Disney is the one who is in breach of the original contract.

    It was funny listen to John Yoo ponder that anyone read the contract. Well one of the panelists on Midnights Edge the pop culture podcast had read the contract. All 60 pages of it and could this discuss without pulling it out half baked, like this show, though I fully understand it was a last minute changeover and people wanted to be topical even though neither side knew what they were talking about.

    The additional situation is that because they were a municipality, Disney could issue municipal bonds tax free, which gave them massive advantage over every other park in the State. Including Universal Studios, Busch Gardens or Seaworld. By taking this advantage away from Disney they are leveling the playing field. It doesnt get more conservative than that.

    Finally the reason Democrats have a hard time dealing with this bill, is because they had tried to pass a similar bill a few years ago, and the Republicans just copied and pasted.

    I keep waiting for someone to bring it up, yet no one (except you) has. It’s low hanging fruit. I’m old enough to remember when Disney World was built, and the plan for a population to actually live there. Since that never happened, the original deal never made sense. At least to me.

    As the show points out at the beginning this was all put together at the last minute so I feel neither Rob or John actually had anytime to find out whats actually happening with a little research, and so everyone was trying to sound like an expert but failing.

    For example no one mentioned that Disney has a year to reapply for their special status and then justify to Florida how they are willing to commit to the original terms.  

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  19. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Municipal bond rates for financing private economic activity. Five decades. That’s pretty interesting. I would think, except for maybe in the beginning, they would pay very low rates anyway.

    I would like to hear a panel of lawyers etc. talk about all of it.

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  20. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Municipal bond rates for financing private economic activity. Five decades. That’s pretty interesting. I would think, except for maybe in the beginning, they would pay very low rates anyway.

    I would like to hear a panel of lawyers etc. talk about all of it.

    A lot of the discussion is here, and I am sure it will come up on VivaFree/Barnes Law show on Sunday night.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    https://youtu.be/Suqbrre4qNk

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  21. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Anybody have an argument with this thread?

     

     

     

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  22. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    Some “conservatives” like David French are lamenting that Disney inadvertently wandered into the Culture wars, which is like saying Russia inadvertently wandered into the middle of Ukraine.

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  23. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

     

     

     

     

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  24. Leslie Watkins Member
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    @LeslieWatkins

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

     

     

    Christian thinkers like Sullivan seem overly concerned with proper suffering at the expense of defending one’s life on the ground. I’m not god and make no effort to be god, which is why I need the love and compassion that is god’s alone to bestow.

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

     

     

     

    Christian thinkers like Sullivan seem overly concerned with proper suffering at the expense of defending one’s life on the ground. I’m not god and make no effort to be god, which is why I need the love and compassion that is god’s alone to bestow.

    Actually posted that to the wrong forum, but I appreciate any comment from anybody that is smarter about me on all of this, which is basically everyone. lol

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  26. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

     

     

     

    Christian thinkers like Sullivan seem overly concerned with proper suffering at the expense of defending one’s life on the ground. I’m not god and make no effort to be god, which is why I need the love and compassion that is god’s alone to bestow.

    Actually posted that to the wrong forum, but I appreciate any comment from anybody that is smarter about me on all of this, which is basically everyone. lol

    OK I have a confession. I’m really hammered. lol 

    This is on the right forum and I now get what you’re saying. lol 

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  27. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

     

     

     

    Christian thinkers like Sullivan seem overly concerned with proper suffering at the expense of defending one’s life on the ground. I’m not god and make no effort to be god, which is why I need the love and compassion that is god’s alone to bestow.

    Actually posted that to the wrong forum, but I appreciate any comment from anybody that is smarter about me on all of this, which is basically everyone. lol

    OK I have a confession. I’m really hammered. lol

    This is on the right forum and I now get what you’re saying. lol

    It’s bad enough to harass Mike Tyson on an airplane, but you REALLY don’t want to mess with Thor.

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Christian thinkers like Sullivan seem overly concerned with proper suffering at the expense of defending one’s life on the ground. I’m not god and make no effort to be god, which is why I need the love and compassion that is god’s alone to bestow.

    Actually posted that to the wrong forum, but I appreciate any comment from anybody that is smarter about me on all of this, which is basically everyone. lol

    OK I have a confession. I’m really hammered. lol

    This is on the right forum and I now get what you’re saying. lol

    It’s bad enough to harass Mike Tyson on an airplane, but you REALLY don’t want to mess with Thor.

    The criminal he was beating on didn’t press charges. The guy literally is a convicted criminal that did hard time.

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  29. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    PHOTO OF TYSON  lol

     

     

     

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  30. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    So it amused me greatly that this afternoon I listened to a pop-culture show which had more legal knowledge on the Disney situation than anyone on the podcast, including two constitutional legal scholars.

    The situation with the original deal with Disney when they were granted this exemption was they also had to build Walts city of tomorrow. A fully functional municipality with a mayor and city council and an active populace. Disney never did this. This is one of the outs the Florida Republican party noted when they passed the bill. Hence Disney is in breach of contract and the state is right to revoke the status.

    Disney is the one who is in breach of the original contract.

    It was funny listen to John Yoo ponder that anyone read the contract. Well one of the panelists on Midnights Edge the pop culture podcast had read the contract. All 60 pages of it and could this discuss without pulling it out half baked, like this show, though I fully understand it was a last minute changeover and people wanted to be topical even though neither side knew what they were talking about.

    The additional situation is that because they were a municipality, Disney could issue municipal bonds tax free, which gave them massive advantage over every other park in the State. Including Universal Studios, Busch Gardens or Seaworld. By taking this advantage away from Disney they are leveling the playing field. It doesnt get more conservative than that.

    Finally the reason Democrats have a hard time dealing with this bill, is because they had tried to pass a similar bill a few years ago, and the Republicans just copied and pasted.

    I keep waiting for someone to bring it up, yet no one (except you) has. It’s low hanging fruit. I’m old enough to remember when Disney World was built, and the plan for a population to actually live there. Since that never happened, the original deal never made sense. At least to me.

    As the show points out at the beginning this was all put together at the last minute so I feel neither Rob or John actually had anytime to find out whats actually happening with a little research, and so everyone was trying to sound like an expert but failing.

    For example no one mentioned that Disney has a year to reapply for their special status and then justify to Florida how they are willing to commit to the original terms.

     

    Sounds like a low bar.  Gee, we’ll require a leftist mega corporation to actually construct a commune?  

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