This second installment of Steve Hayward’s conversation with Chris DeMuth takes up Chris’s “origin story” with his work on regulatory reform starting in the Reagan Administration, and taking the story of neoconservatism through its transformations in the 1990s and 2000s. Our conversation ends with Chris’s observations on the current hot button phenomena of populism, nationalism, and the revolt against the out-of-touch transnational elites. (If you missed the first installment, scroll back here.)

Closing bumper music this week is “Spinning” by Trees on Fire.

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  1. Member

    I’m glad I was walking my dog and not driving when I listened to this podcast, because it can double as a sleep-inducing narcotic. Innocent people could have been hurt. 

    “Memoirs of a Bureaucrat, Parts 1 & 2” – not mentally stimulating or interesting in the least.

    I like you, Steve. I read both volumes of your “Age of Reagan” and I follow you on Twitter; but you are killing this podcast. You’re making me nostalgic for Brian Ward.

    Bring back Julie Kelly, Steve. Bring back anybody with some energy and something to say. Please. 

    And no more Chris deMuth. Let him go back to writing the “History of the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980” in peace.

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    • January 9, 2019 at 6:40 pm
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    Freesmith (View Comment):

    I’m glad I was walking my dog and not driving when I listened to this podcast, because it can double as a sleep-inducing narcotic. Innocent people could have been hurt.

    And no more Chris deMuth. Let him go back to writing the “History of the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980” in peace.

    Wow, I thought it was a great interview. I could have listened to more of it.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 2:11 am
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    Freesmith (View Comment):

    I’m glad I was walking my dog and not driving when I listened to this podcast, because it can double as a sleep-inducing narcotic. Innocent people could have been hurt.

    “Memoirs of a Bureaucrat, Parts 1 & 2” – not mentally stimulating or interesting in the least.

    I like you, Steve. I read both volumes of your “Age of Reagan” and I follow you on Twitter; but you are killing this podcast. You’re making me nostalgic for Brian Ward.

    Bring back Julie Kelly, Steve. Bring back anybody with some energy and something to say. Please.

    And no more Chris deMuth. Let him go back to writing the “History of the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980” in peace.

    Well, different strokes for different folks and all that. But I think you’re what social scientists call an “outlier.” To be sure, this is a wonky episode (but I am a recovering wonk after all). Last week’s first installment was our most popular episode ever for iTunes downloads, and I’ve received more positive email about that episode than any other we’ve done among the 105 episodes now in the can.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 9:36 am
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