The Retromingent  GLoP

No, we’re not going to tell you what the word in the title of this episode means. But it is revealed within. Other things revealed in this episode: weird injuries from benign objects that befell men as they get older, what if they held an Oscars® and nobody cared, Hollywood producer Scott Rudin is revealed to be a bad boss even though they made a movie about it 30 years ago, we defend iconic Simpsons character Apu from that sap Hank Azaria who voices him, the now obligatory joke designed to offend at least someone, and we propose re-making the last season of Game of Thrones. Because why not?

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  1. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    I am for hitting activists with fish.

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  2. Full Size Tabby Member
    Full Size Tabby
    @FullSizeTabby

    @johnpodhoretz  The most common steps and curbs are the most frequent sources of various injuries. I have always lived in suburbia, generally with individual garages, generally attached to the house. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve known who have become injured on the steps between the garage and the house.  I was so happy that our new house has no steps between the garage and the house.

    @roblong and John, We used to live on the Newport Beach / Costa Mesa border, and our children’s public elementary school drew mostly from the Newport Beach (i.e., wealthier) side of the border. When seeing family groups it was often not clear to us whether the 60+ year old man was the grandfather, or the father with the much younger trophy wife. 

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  3. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The incident JPod describes from “World According to Garp” would not be castration.

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  4. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Musicians used “little girl” pretty much regardless of the actual age of the person.

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  5. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Did the guys go through a time portal?  I remember reading about Hank Azaria apologizing for Apu – and saying he wouldn’t do it any more – at least a couple years ago.

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  6. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Jonah doesn’t realize that it’s just fine – even encouraged – to slander white males and religious people?

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  7. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti


    kedavis (View Comment)
    :

    Did the guys go through a time portal? I remember reading about Hank Azaria apologizing for Apu – and saying he wouldn’t do it any more – at least a couple years ago.

     

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  8. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):


    kedavis (View Comment)
    :

    Did the guys go through a time portal? I remember reading about Hank Azaria apologizing for Apu – and saying he wouldn’t do it any more – at least a couple years ago.

     

    From Vanity Fair, Feb 25, 2020 (and I found earlier references too, from at least the previous January):  (emphasis added)

     

    Almost two years after saying he was “perfectly willing and happy to step aside” as the voice of Apu on The Simpsons, star Hank Azaria will officially leave the controversial character behind. In a new interview with the New York Times, Azaria confirmed he will stop playing the role after three decades. “Once I realized that that was the way this character was thought of, I just didn’t want to participate in it anymore,” Azaria said. “It just didn’t feel right.”

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  9. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    kedavis (View Comment):
    From Vanity Fair, Feb 25, 2020 (and I found earlier references too, from at least the previous January):  (emphasis added)

    Read the hed and the date of the story I posted and then think a little harder. It’s a different story than the ones you posted. 🙄

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  10. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    From Vanity Fair, Feb 25, 2020 (and I found earlier references too, from at least the previous January): (emphasis added)

    Read the hed and the date of the story I posted and then think a little harder. It’s a different story than the ones you posted. 🙄

    Yes but they were also talking about it differently “in the show,” as if it was something new.  It’s not.  And indeed, the Vanity Fair story from over a year ago, refers to “almost two years” earlier yet.

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  11. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Of course, being a “millionaire” in the early 1700s would be a lot different than now.

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  12. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    imdb had “message boards” up until a few years ago, after Amazon bought them out they got rid of the message boards because they didn’t want regular people posting criticisms of movies/shows that the studios were paying Amazon to promote.

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  13. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Unless there’s a lot of that song that didn’t get played, JPod seems to be making up things in his head about Willie Nelson’s song being about the guy getting ready to murder the woman who cheated on him.  “What goes around, comes around” doesn’t require or even imply that “And I’m the one who’s going to bring it around to  you!”

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  14. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    From Vanity Fair, Feb 25, 2020 (and I found earlier references too, from at least the previous January): (emphasis added)

    Read the hed and the date of the story I posted and then think a little harder. It’s a different story than the ones you posted. 🙄

    I too was wondering why this was a news item since I thought he’d already stopped doing the voice. Goes to show that it’s never good enough with that group. Another pound of flesh is always demanded. 

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  15. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    From Vanity Fair, Feb 25, 2020 (and I found earlier references too, from at least the previous January): (emphasis added)

    Read the hed and the date of the story I posted and then think a little harder. It’s a different story than the ones you posted. 🙄

    I too was wondering why this was a news item since I thought he’d already stopped doing the voice. Goes to show that it’s never good enough with that group. Another pound of flesh is always demanded.

    He’s apologized before, too.  Maybe he just forgot to apologize to all the people still in India, not just those here?  Or t his is his version of Obama’s “Apology Tour.”

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  16. Mr. Michael Garrett Lincoln
    Mr. Michael Garrett
    @MichaelGarrett

    I second John Podhoretz’s enthusiasm for “The World of Henry Orient.”  It may be that people who didn’t grow up on the Upper West Side in the late 1960’s will not find it as magical.   

    The New Yorker ran a piece nine years ago catching up with Tippy Walker.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-star-is-born-lost-and-found

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  17. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Mr. Michael Garrett (View Comment):

    I second John Podhoretz’s enthusiasm for “The World of Henry Orient.” It may be that people who didn’t grow up on the Upper West Side in the late 1960’s will not find it as magical.

    The New Yorker ran a piece nine years ago catching up with Tippy Walker.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-star-is-born-lost-and-found

    It would be interesting to read those imdb posts, but imdb took all that stuff down a few years ago.  Consequently, the links to them in that article are “broken.”  I’ve read that all the imdb messages boards have been archived somewhere, but I don’t remember how to access them.

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  18. Jordan Henderson Coolidge
    Jordan Henderson
    @jordanhendersongmailcom

    Speaking of culturally insensitive cartoons.  I was gobsmacked some years ago watching an episode of Fairly Odd Parents where in one episode:

    “Early airings featuring Wanda and Cosmo in Spanish class had the teacher saying in Spanish (and written on the chalkboard) “Where is The Government Cheese?”. Afterwards, Cosmo presents a wedge of cheese with a USA label on it. For reasons unknown (probably due to the joke being unintentionally politically incorrect), later airings featured this scene with the phrase (spoken and written on the chalkboard) “Where is the smelly cheese?” with Cosmo presenting a wedge of cheese with no USA label this time. This version still airs on TV today.”

    https://fairlyoddparents.fandom.com/wiki/Timvisible/References

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  19. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The old imdb message boards for “Henry Orient” can be found here:

    https://filmboards.com/board/10058756/

    And the comments from Tippy – or some of them, anyway – can still be found there.

    The archive can also be searched for the message boards for Tippy Walker’s acting page too.

     

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  20. kylez Member
    kylez
    @kylez

    None of the lyrics of those quoted 60s songs say or imply anything about having sex with the songs’ subjects.

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  21. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    kylez (View Comment):

    None of the lyrics of those quoted 60s songs say or imply anything about having sex with the songs’ subjects.

    They also don’t state that the subjects are under-age.  As mentioned before, lots of song-writers – and poets and others – use “little girl” just because it works better in writing lyrics etc.

    (And that’s leaving aside that age of consent varies from country to country, and even decade to decade.)

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  22. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    From Vanity Fair, Feb 25, 2020 (and I found earlier references too, from at least the previous January): (emphasis added)

    Read the hed and the date of the story I posted and then think a little harder. It’s a different story than the ones you posted. 🙄

    I too was wondering why this was a news item since I thought he’d already stopped doing the voice. Goes to show that it’s never good enough with that group. Another pound of flesh is always demanded.

    He’s apologized before, too. Maybe he just forgot to apologize to all the people still in India, not just those here? Or t his is his version of Obama’s “Apology Tour.”

    Based on socioeconomic data, Indian Americans have more white privilege than whites.

    I thought we were supposed to apologize only to downtrodden, oppressed groups.

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  23. VRWC Member
    VRWC
    @VRWC

    Seems to me that for a popular culture centered podcast you guys kind of missed the primary defense of Apu… that he’s one of the most admirable characters on a show filled with less than admirable characters. Apu is hard working, brave, a good friend and a decent if sometimes reluctant father especially in comparison to practically every other father on the show. In episodes where Apu is featured, he very often serves as the town’s moral conscience, especially when Homer and/or a mob are considering doing something particularly stupid. Not sure why you guys didn’t point this out.

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  24. UnLeft Member
    UnLeft
    @TheUnLeft

    I must say I enjoyed this one quite a bit.

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  25. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    VRWC (View Comment):

    Seems to me that for a popular culture centered podcast you guys kind of missed the primary defense of Apu… that he’s one of the most admirable characters on a show filled with less than admirable characters. Apu is hard working, brave, a good friend and a decent if sometimes reluctant father especially in comparison to practically every other father on the show. In episodes where Apu is featured, he very often serves as the town’s moral conscience, especially when Homer and/or a mob are considering doing something particularly stupid. Not sure why you guys didn’t point this out.

    There was a brief aside to that effect, but it was basically laughed over.

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  26. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    kylez (View Comment):

    None of the lyrics of those quoted 60s songs say or imply anything about having sex with the songs’ subjects.

    Because you could not be that direct in the 60’s and not have your song banned. It was all implied. 

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  27. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    kedavis (View Comment):

    kylez (View Comment):

    None of the lyrics of those quoted 60s songs say or imply anything about having sex with the songs’ subjects.

    They also don’t state that the subjects are under-age. As mentioned before, lots of song-writers – and poets and others – use “little girl” just because it works better in writing lyrics etc.

    (And that’s leaving aside that age of consent varies from country to country, and even decade to decade.)

    Captain Pedantic reporting for duty. 

    “She was just 17, you know what I mean.”

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  28. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    VRWC (View Comment):

    Seems to me that for a popular culture centered podcast you guys kind of missed the primary defense of Apu… that he’s one of the most admirable characters on a show filled with less than admirable characters. Apu is hard working, brave, a good friend and a decent if sometimes reluctant father especially in comparison to practically every other father on the show. In episodes where Apu is featured, he very often serves as the town’s moral conscience, especially when Homer and/or a mob are considering doing something particularly stupid. Not sure why you guys didn’t point this out.

    Jonah said this almost word for word. And no, it was was not “laughed over.”

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  29. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    kylez (View Comment):

    None of the lyrics of those quoted 60s songs say or imply anything about having sex with the songs’ subjects.

    They also don’t state that the subjects are under-age. As mentioned before, lots of song-writers – and poets and others – use “little girl” just because it works better in writing lyrics etc.

    (And that’s leaving aside that age of consent varies from country to country, and even decade to decade.)

    Captain Pedantic reporting for duty.

    “She was just 17, you know what I mean.”

    To start with the Beatles were 20, 21, 23, and 23 when they appeared on Ed Sullivan.  So it wasn’t the 40- or 50- or 60-year old McCartney singing about 17.  Hardly scandalous.  And McCartney’s girlfriend at the time he wrote the song was… surprise, surprise!… 17.

    Also, the Beatles weren’t directing their songs at 30-40-50-year-old men either.  Beatles FANS are old NOW, but that doesn’t change how the songs were written, or what they meant at the time.

    Maybe you should get your head out of the gutter?  (“I can’t, it’s attached to my body!” – MASH reference…)

    On the other hand, conservatives try to avoid imposing current standards on the past, and in the 1960s the common age of consent both in at least half of the US and in the UK, was 16.  (That’s in addition to the Beatles being only in their early 20s AT THAT TIME.)

    Plus as I’ve written before, it’s more about the right meter, and rhyming, anyway.  Seventeen is 3 syllables, and the other teens are all two syllables.  Just for one example.  Just accept that “She was just sevenTEEN” and “You know what I MEAN” happen to RHYME, and that’s what really matters for a SONG.

    But go ahead, Mr Blue Yeti McCartney, sing us “She Was Just Twenty-One…”

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  30. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    kylez (View Comment):

    None of the lyrics of those quoted 60s songs say or imply anything about having sex with the songs’ subjects.

    They also don’t state that the subjects are under-age. As mentioned before, lots of song-writers – and poets and others – use “little girl” just because it works better in writing lyrics etc.

    (And that’s leaving aside that age of consent varies from country to country, and even decade to decade.)

    Captain Pedantic reporting for duty.

    “She was just 17, you know what I mean.”

    To start with the Beatles were 20, 21, 23, and 23 when they appeared on Ed Sullivan. So it wasn’t the 40- or 50- or 60-year old McCartney singing about 17. Hardly scandalous. And McCartney’s girlfriend at the time he wrote the song was… surprise, surprise!… 17.

    Also, the Beatles weren’t directing their songs at 30-40-50-year-old men either. Beatles FANS are old NOW, but that doesn’t change how the songs were written, or what they meant at the time.

    Maybe you should get your head out of the gutter? (“I can’t, it’s attached to my body!” – MASH reference…)

    Plus as I’ve written before, it’s more about the right meter, and rhyming, anyway. Seventeen is 3 syllables, and the other teens are all two syllables. Just for one example.

    But go ahead, Mr Blue Yeti McCartney, sing us “She Was Just Twenty-One…”

    You have beautifully illustrated my point about being pedantic. 👍

    Once more: the point of this discussion was to illustrate how the rules of what’s acceptable has changed from the recent past to the present day. If you think any popular band (or one that wanted to be popular) nowadays would release a song carrying on about an underage girl, I have some news for you. 

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