This week, Jonah Goldberg and Rob Long cross the streams between their co-hosted GLoP podcast (John Podhoretz is off this week) and The Remnant. They talk about Rob’s career in Hollywood, WhatAbout-ism, cross country traveling, and sure, a bit of monkeying around.

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There are 29 comments.

  1. Arahant Member

    I enjoyed the philosophical parts. (And all the rest, too.)

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    • August 31, 2018, at 2:21 AM PDT
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  2. CitizenOfTheRepublic Member
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    Coffee’s from East Africa*. NRO went to crap when they started defenestrating significant contributors. For ~10 years from its inception I was on the Corner 8 times a day. Haven’t been there 8 times in 2018.

    *It is common for ag products to be in greatest production on the opposite side of the world from where it exists as a native plant. There are fewer/no diseases/pests to infest densely planted plantations of the few economically viable varieties from the wild population of the plant.

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    • August 31, 2018, at 6:25 AM PDT
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  3. David Bryan Member

    CitizenOfTheRepublic (View Comment):

    Coffee’s from East Africa*. NRO went to crap when they started defenestrating significant contributors. For ~10 years from its inception I was on the Corner 8 times a day. Haven’t been there 8 times in 2018.

    *It is common for ag products to be in greatest production on the opposite side of the world from where it exists as a native plant. There are fewer/no diseases/pests to infest densely planted plantations of the few economically viable varieties from the wild population of the plant.

    Defenestrating contributors? Can you explain? I don’t know what you mean, sorry.

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    • August 31, 2018, at 6:42 AM PDT
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  4. CitizenOfTheRepublic Member
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    David Bryan (View Comment):

    CitizenOfTheRepublic (View Comment):

    Coffee’s from East Africa*. NRO went to crap when they started defenestrating significant contributors. For ~10 years from its inception I was on the Corner 8 times a day. Haven’t been there 8 times in 2018.

    *It is common for ag products to be in greatest production on the opposite side of the world from where it exists as a native plant. There are fewer/no diseases/pests to infest densely planted plantations of the few economically viable varieties from the wild population of the plant.

    Defenestrating contributors? Can you explain? I don’t know what you mean, sorry.

    Derb then Steyn. John Derbyshire, I could see because he has an Englishmen’s sensitivity towards race in America, which is to say, none at all and in response to “The Talk” hysteria (black parent explains to his child the profound danger of living in America), he penned a version for his Sino-Anglo-American children about the danger from black Americans to them.

    But, Mark Steyn was thrown out of NRO (yes, pedantic NR partisans, he was never an employee, but he was dropped as a contributor) for repeating an old gay joke (“how do you make a fruit cordial….” in a column about gay chauvinism/supremacy (I think that was the topic)…yes, here it is (thanks, Google): https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/age-intolerance-mark-steyn/

     

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    • August 31, 2018, at 6:56 AM PDT
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  5. Miffed White Male Member
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    CitizenOfTheRepublic (View Comment):
    For ~10 years from its inception I was on the Corner 8 times a day.

    Were you ever part of GIGO (“Garbage In, Garbage Out”, the NRO pre-cursor to the Corner)?

     

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    • August 31, 2018, at 6:59 AM PDT
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  6. Miffed White Male Member
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    The comment that Rob made about not needing to “dog whistle” the racist vote in Florida since his opponent is a black guy, is probably the most insightful things that’s been said about the whole “controversy” anywhere.

     

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    • August 31, 2018, at 7:01 AM PDT
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  7. Hoyacon Member

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    The comment that Rob made about not needing to “dog whistle” the racist vote in Florida since his opponent is a black guy, is probably the most insightful things that’s been said about the whole “controversy” anywhere.

    The same point was made in the thread accompanying Mona Charen’s last column by @suspira. It’s a very good one.

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    • August 31, 2018, at 7:07 AM PDT
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  8. CitizenOfTheRepublic Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    CitizenOfTheRepublic (View Comment):
    For ~10 years from its inception I was on the Corner 8 times a day.

    Were you ever part of GIGO (“Garbage In, Garbage Out”, the NRO pre-cursor to the Corner)?

     

    I don’t recall. 20 years ago, I was busy in engineering school and just read everything Jonah wrote, anywhere I could find it.

     

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    • August 31, 2018, at 8:22 AM PDT
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  9. David Bryan Member

     

    Derb then Steyn. John Derbyshire, I could see because he has an Englishmen’s sensitivity towards race in America, which is to say, none at all and in response to “The Talk” hysteria (black parent explains to his child the profound danger of living in America), he penned a version for his Sino-Anglo-American children about the danger from black Americans to them.

    But, Mark Steyn was thrown out of NRO (yes, pedantic NR partisans, he was never an employee, but he was dropped as a contributor) for repeating an old gay joke (“how do you make a fruit cordial….” in a column about gay chauvinism/supremacy (I think that was the topic)…yes, here it is (thanks, Google): https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/age-intolerance-mark-steyn/

    I see…thanks! 

     

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    • August 31, 2018, at 8:30 AM PDT
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  10. Blue Yeti Admin

    Note: the crosstalk error in the beginning of this show has now been fixed. 

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    • August 31, 2018, at 9:18 AM PDT
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  11. Miffed White Male Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Note: the crosstalk error in the beginning of this show has now been fixed.

    I assumed that was intentional and a play on them talking about the “crossover” element of the podcast, since it quit right after Rob said “Let’s do that again” (or words to that effect).

     

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    • August 31, 2018, at 9:27 AM PDT
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  12. Blue Yeti Admin

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Note: the crosstalk error in the beginning of this show has now been fixed.

    I assumed that was intentional and a play on them talking about the “crossover” element of the podcast, since it quit right after Rob said “Let’s do that again” (or words to that effect).

     

    No, it was me forgetting to mute a track before the show file was encoded. #HowTheSausageIsMade 

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    • August 31, 2018, at 10:00 AM PDT
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  13. Miffed White Male Member
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    “Diverse”. It now means “not white”.

    I’ve actually seen seemingly educated people on twitter, facebook and other parts of the internet refer to themselves as “a diverse person”.

     

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    • August 31, 2018, at 10:23 AM PDT
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  14. Full Size Tabby Member

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    “Diverse”. It now means “not white male”.

    I’ve actually seen seemingly educated people on twitter, facebook and other parts of the internet refer to themselves as “a diverse person”.

     

    FIFY

    The then General Counsel of a Fortune 100 company for which I worked until recently used this taxonomy in connection with hiring. Any employment candidate who was not white male was a “diverse candidate.” My favorite was when I learned that a law firm I was considering hiring counted as “diverse” even though the law firm would hire only ethnic Chinese staff (the US-based firm’s business was facilitating Chinese – American trade, so it would be logical to hire only ethnic Chinese, but I found it infuriating that doing so counted as “diverse”). 

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    • August 31, 2018, at 11:03 AM PDT
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  15. kedavis Member

    Interesting that this version is 5 minutes longer than what was posted for The Remnant.

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    • August 31, 2018, at 4:57 PM PDT
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  16. Arahant Member

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Interesting that this version is 5 minutes longer than what was posted for The Remnant.

    Must have left out the cantaloupes.

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    • August 31, 2018, at 5:01 PM PDT
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  17. Blue Yeti Admin

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Interesting that this version is 5 minutes longer than what was posted for The Remnant.

    No spots on The Remnant version (but don’t tell anyone). 

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    • August 31, 2018, at 5:02 PM PDT
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  18. kedavis Member

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Interesting that this version is 5 minutes longer than what was posted for The Remnant.

    No spots on The Remnant version (but don’t tell anyone).

    Yeah, I realized rather quickly when I listened, it’s the ads.

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    • August 31, 2018, at 6:10 PM PDT
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  19. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Note: the crosstalk error in the beginning of this show has now been fixed.

    I assumed that was intentional and a play on them talking about the “crossover” element of the podcast, since it quit right after Rob said “Let’s do that again” (or words to that effect).

     

    I thought so too!

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    • September 1, 2018, at 10:43 AM PDT
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  20. kedavis Member

    Jonah and Rob speculate that there’s a great deal of crossover between GLoP and Remnant listeners. But just based on the numbers of comments, it seems GLoP listenership is much larger. 19 (now 20) comments for GLoP, versus still just 2 comments for the Remnant version of the same thing. And the Remnant version came out first!

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    • September 1, 2018, at 11:01 AM PDT
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  21. EDISONPARKS Member
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    I’ve heard Ron DeSantis in television interviews (and Fox panels probably) and I do not get where the: “I can’t stand Ron DeSantis” and how Ron DeSantis has “beclowned himself in his run for Governor”(Jonah) or is a “second rate politician” (Rob) is coming from.

    Our hosts do an inferred drive by and some of their listeners(ie: me) would appreciate an explanation as to how Ron DeSantis “beclowned himself in his run for Governor”, or a for instance as to why Ron DeSantis is a “second rate politician”.

    I’m not necessarily defending DeSantis, but my problem is two guys I enjoy listening to rip the Republican nominee for the Governorship of Florida a new one(I’m guessing since they were defending DeSantis from the “monkey thing up” nonsense they thought they were being nice to DeSantis), then mosey right along as if we all know what the hell they’re talking about.

    Please elaborate.

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    • September 1, 2018, at 12:08 PM PDT
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  22. Daniel Sterman Listener

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jonah and Rob speculate that there’s a great deal of crossover between GLoP and Remnant listeners. But just based on the numbers of comments, it seems GLoP listenership is much larger. 19 (now 20) comments for GLoP, versus still just 2 comments for the Remnant version of the same thing. And the Remnant version came out first!

    Well, you know, Jonah has a wonderful niche little podcast and can use our support.

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    • September 1, 2018, at 12:11 PM PDT
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  23. Bishop Wash, Blk X-man/Wh pilot Member

    A missed opportunity to try out the GLoB or BLoG podcast with Sonny Bunch replacing John. 

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    • September 1, 2018, at 10:27 PM PDT
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  24. kedavis Member

    I suspect the biggest problem with continued criticism of Trump over things not related to policy, which Jonah and others typically admit they think Trump is doing at least okay at, is that it empowers the other side and reduces the likelihood for more of the things they like, in the future. Maybe they think they can bash on Trump for his twitter activity etc, and it will have no impact on future Gorsuch or Kavanagh nominations/confirmations, but I think they’re wrong. Especially if the bashing ends up leading to change of power in the House and/or Senate. A lot of people might start figuring that if Trump is a PoS (according to Jonah and others), then his court nominations, executive orders, etc, must be bad too. Indeed we’ve already seen that over the “travel ban,” including among some JUDGES who rule that since Trump said “bad things” during the campaign, his orders/policies are necessarily racist.

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    • September 2, 2018, at 6:09 PM PDT
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  25. LibertyDefender Member

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    I’ve heard Ron DeSantis in television interviews (and Fox panels probably) and I do not get where the: “I can’t stand Ron DeSantis” and how Ron DeSantis has “beclowned himself in his run for Governor”(Jonah) or is a “second rate politician” (Rob) is coming from.

    Our hosts do an inferred [sic] drive by and some of their listeners(ie: me) would appreciate an explanation as to how Ron DeSantis “beclowned himself in his run for Governor”, or a for instance as to why Ron DeSantis is a “second rate politician”.

    Please elaborate.

    It’s far worse than an implied drive-by. @31:00:

    … the idea that he was deliberately – not just deliberately, but obviously dog-whistling racism about his black opponent, I just think is dumb.

    Jonah, it’s not “dumb,” it’s intentionally and maliciously dishonest! It is bad, it is wrong, and the drive-by media that perpetuate such a lie are evil.

    You know that, Jonah. 

    STOP GRANTING THE MEDIA – which Andrew Breitbart correctly dubbed “the Democrat-media complex” – THE BENEFIT OF DOUBT THAT THEY DON’T DESERVE. They are not honest, they are not objective.

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    • September 4, 2018, at 3:24 PM PDT
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  26. EDISONPARKS Member
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    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    I’ve heard Ron DeSantis in television interviews (and Fox panels probably) and I do not get where the: “I can’t stand Ron DeSantis” and how Ron DeSantis has “beclowned himself in his run for Governor”(Jonah) or is a “second rate politician” (Rob) is coming from.

    Our hosts do an inferred [sic] drive by and some of their listeners(ie: me) would appreciate an explanation as to how Ron DeSantis “beclowned himself in his run for Governor”, or a for instance as to why Ron DeSantis is a “second rate politician”.

    Please elaborate.

    It’s far worse than an implied drive-by. @31:00:

    … the idea that he was deliberately – not just deliberately, but obviously dog-whistling racism about his black opponent, I just think is dumb.

    Jonah, it’s not “dumb,” it’s intentionally and maliciously dishonest! It is bad, it is wrong, and the drive-by media that perpetuate such a lie are evil.

    You know that, Jonah.

    STOP GRANTING THE MEDIA – which Andrew Breitbart correctly dubbed “the Democrat-media complex” – THE BENEFIT OF DOUBT THAT THEY DON’T DESERVE. They are not honest, they are not objective.

    I agree with both Jonah and Rob the “monkey things up” debacle was a disgusting contrived MSM /(D) hit job on DeSantis.

    My question to either or both Jonah and Rob is where/when/how did DeSantis beclown himself in his run to be the (R) nominee to Govern Florida and why is DeSantis a second rate politician.

    Maybe he is, I just have never seen anything which would lead me to that conclusion. Give the GLOP listener a synopsis as to WHY you don’t like the cut of DeSantis jib.

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    • September 4, 2018, at 3:40 PM PDT
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  27. LibertyDefender Member

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    I agree with both Jonah and Rob the “monkey things up” debacle was a disgusting contrived MSM /(D) hit job on DeSantis.

    I disagree with your contention that Jonah and Rob described the “monkey things up” debacle as a disgusting contrived MSM/(D) hit job on DeSantis.

    Jonah said it was “dumb.” It wasn’t “dumb.” It was a disgusting contrived MSM/(D) hit job.

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    • September 4, 2018, at 3:52 PM PDT
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  28. EDISONPARKS Member
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    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    I agree with both Jonah and Rob the “monkey things up” debacle was a disgusting contrived MSM /(D) hit job on DeSantis.

    I disagree with your contention that Jonah and Rob described the “monkey things up” debacle as a disgusting contrived MSM/(D) hit job on DeSantis.

    Jonah said it was “dumb.” It wasn’t “dumb.” It was a disgusting contrived MSM/(D) hit job.

    Got it …. I gave Jonah too much credit that his “dumb” was a sufficient critique of the MSM.

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    • September 4, 2018, at 4:06 PM PDT
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  29. LibertyDefender Member

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    I agree with both Jonah and Rob the “monkey things up” debacle was a disgusting contrived MSM /(D) hit job on DeSantis.

    I disagree with your contention that Jonah and Rob described the “monkey things up” debacle as a disgusting contrived MSM/(D) hit job on DeSantis.

    Jonah said it was “dumb.” It wasn’t “dumb.” It was a disgusting contrived MSM/(D) hit job.

    Got it …. I gave Jonah too much credit that his “dumb” was a sufficient critique of the MSM.

    Right. The media are not dumb, the media are evil.

    The media do not deserve any benefit of any doubt. This nonsense from Jonah “… if I were to say that Ron DeSantis beclowned himself in his run for Governor …” is really disgusting, self-flagellating, self-inflating, media-ingratiating criticism of the Republican.

    When has any Democrat – whether politician or media personality – ever said so much as “Al Sharpton was convicted by a jury of lying, Al Sharpton incited a riot that resulted in a half dozen deaths, and Al Sharpton has been invited to speak at every Democrat National Convention since 2000, thus every Democrat is tainted with lying and murder?”

    Mitt Romney was portrayed by the media as a sexist who carried binders full of women. That’s not dumb, that’s vicious slander. That’s evil.

    But Jonah without prompting declares “Ron DeSantis beclowned himself in his run for Governor [and I won’t explain why]?”

    This is how we got Trump, and we are properly grateful. Jonah is practically begging this loyal listener to abandon his podcast, as I have abandoned Knead to Know.

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    • September 5, 2018, at 8:48 AM PDT
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