At the conclusion of a long day, Dave Carter and Mollie Hemingway (Fox News Contributor, Senior Editor at The Federalist, and Ricochet Alum) sat down for a free-wheeling discussion of everything from the horrific shooting in Las Vegas to life at Fox News, bipartisan political intransigence, Presidential intrigue, and a certain Ricochet Alum who also frequents FNC from time to time. Dave allowed as how it was a very enjoyable chat, an opinion with which we think you’ll agree.

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  1. George Townsend Inactive
    George Townsend
    @GeorgeTownsend

    Mrs. Hemingway is a very nice lady, but she said some things that should have been challenged.

    Just one example is that the President did not just say that both sides in Chalottsville were wrong. Even during the campaign he had trouble denouncing David Duke. He kept vacillating on the issue, and Molly will just not acknowledge that.

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  2. Dave Carter Podcaster
    Dave Carter
    @DaveCarter

    From the transcript of the President’s initial remarks:

    “But we’re closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Va.. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. [emphasis mine] It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

    “Above all else, we must remember this truth, no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our God. We love our flag. We’re proud of our country. We’re proud of who we are. So, we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we’re doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally we have to love each other.”

    Seems like a comprehensive denunciation of bigotry to me.

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  3. Dave Carter Podcaster
    Dave Carter
    @DaveCarter

    My apologizies for the formatting above. I’m at a customer and doing this from my iPhone in haste as I have to hook up to the trailer and go,…and autocorrect, formatting, etc are my mortal enemies at times like this.

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  4. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    Goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    Dave Carter (View Comment):
    Seems like a comprehensive denunciation of bigotry to me.

    I completely agree. How anyone could come away with any other interpretation of those remarks is beyond me. And– he denounced David Duke multiple times during the campaign to the point that, in disgust, he refused to discuss it anymore. Dave, thank you for this delightful conversation with Mollie Hemingway.

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  5. PHCheese Inactive
    PHCheese
    @PHCheese

    Great conversations. I just have one teeny weeny problem with Molly who I love. Molly you may be spending too much  time on the east coast. I counted four times when you answered a question , you started by using the word  so. I am so sick of that word. It is so overused and so boring.

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  6. Mollie Hemingway Contributor
    Mollie Hemingway
    @MollieHemingway

    PHCheese (View Comment):
    Great conversations. I just have one teeny weeny problem with Molly who I love. Molly you may be spending too much time on the east coast. I counted four times when you answered a question , you started by using the word so. I am so sick of that word. It is so overused and so boring.

    I hate when I do that!

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  7. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Sooo, I guess I have to watch my step with this crowd. Great show, Dave and Mollie. I’m always happy to see Mollie back visiting in any capacity and Radio Deplorable’s appearance makes my day.

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  8. Dave Carter Podcaster
    Dave Carter
    @DaveCarter

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sooo, I guess I have to watch my step with this crowd. Great show, Dave and Mollie. I’m always happy to see Mollie back visiting in any capacity and Radio Deplorable’s appearance makes my day.

    So, …I’m like, … reeeeally?  Ha!  Thanks!

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  9. Quinnie Member
    Quinnie
    @Quinnie

    What a delightful podcast.   Mrs. Hemingway is a breath of fresh air and very insightful.   I loved her comments on the Vegas massacre.    While everyone else is dabbling in automatic weapons, silencers, etc. she discusses evil.   And that the macro discussion is; do we think more government can prevent evil?   Thank you Dave and Mollie.   You got me through most of my Saturday jog.

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  10. George Townsend Inactive
    George Townsend
    @GeorgeTownsend

    Dave Carter (View Comment):
    From the transcript of the President’s initial remarks:

    “But we’re closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Va.. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. [emphasis mine] It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

    “Above all else, we must remember this truth, no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our God. We love our flag. We’re proud of our country. We’re proud of who we are. So, we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we’re doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally we have to love each other.”

    Seems like a comprehensive denunciation of bigotry to me.

    I hate to rain on this parade, but this just proves that the President engaged in Moral Equivalence. With all due respect to the people here who honestly think this is a good thing, I’d like to register a dissent.

    Granted, Antifa is a hateful group, and only lives to do violence to anyone who disagree with them. They seem to want to set up the kind of government that President Reagan rightly called the Focus of Evil in the Modern World.

    This does not mean, however, that other evil should be overlooked. Nazis are evil. They should be condemn by themselves, and not lumped with others. In another statement, Trump said there were good people among the group that were with them. He did not say that Nazis were good. Of course not. But, by saying that anyone who associated with them was good, he gave away his moral high ground. The left may have twisted his words, as they always will do, but he gave them ammunition.

    Just to end: He also, on at least one other occasion, claimed that his earpiece was faulty, and he couldn’t hear right when asked to condemn the KKK. Does anyone seriously believe that?

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  11. PHCheese Inactive
    PHCheese
    @PHCheese

    Mollie Hemingway (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):
    Great conversations. I just have one teeny weeny problem with Molly who I love. Molly you may be spending too much time on the east coast. I counted four times when you answered a question , you started by using the word so. I am so sick of that word. It is so overused and so boring.

    I hate when I do that!

    And you have a sense of humor. Wow. Mrs.Cheese is in trouble..

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  12. Dave Carter Podcaster
    Dave Carter
    @DaveCarter

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Dave Carter (View Comment):
    From the transcript of the President’s initial remarks:

    “But we’re closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Va.. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. [emphasis mine] It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

    “Above all else, we must remember this truth, no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our God. We love our flag. We’re proud of our country. We’re proud of who we are. So, we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we’re doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally we have to love each other.”

    Seems like a comprehensive denunciation of bigotry to me.

    I hate to rain on this parade, but this just proves that the President engaged in Moral Equivalence. With all due respect to the people here who honestly think this is a good thing, I’d like to register a dissent.

    Granted, Antifa is a hateful group, and only lives to do violence to anyone who disagree with them. They seem to want to set up the kind of government that President Reagan rightly called the Focus of Evil in the Modern World.

    This does not mean, however, that other evil should be overlooked. Nazis are evil. They should be condemn by themselves, and not lumped with others. In another statement, Trump said there were good people among the group that were with them. He did not say that Nazis were good. Of course not. But, by saying that anyone who associated with them was good, he gave away his moral high ground. The left may have twisted his words, as they always will do, but he gave them ammunition.

    Just to end: He also, on at least one other occasion, claimed that his earpiece was faulty, and he couldn’t hear right when asked to condemn the KKK. Does anyone seriously believe that?

    To be clear, you began by saying “…the President did not just say that both sides in Chalottsville were wrong.”  I responded with a direct quote from the President disproving your statement, at which point you tiptoed away from it and instead criticized the President for condemning all sides by maintaining that he should have instead condemned the sides separately.  You’re not just moving the goalposts.  You’re launching them into orbit.

    Respectfully, I’m not an apologist for Donald Trump, and I do believe he occasionally lets his mind go on coffee break while his mouth is still running.  So while I won’t go to the barricades to defend his every utterance, I do believe Mollie’s point — that there are those who are predisposed to criticize virtually everything the man does or says — remains a valid one, and one which you’ve underscored here.

     

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  13. George Townsend Inactive
    George Townsend
    @GeorgeTownsend

    Dave Carter (View Comment):
    To be clear, you began by saying “…the President did not just say that both sides in Chalottsville were wrong.” I responded with a direct quote from the President disproving your statement, at which point you tiptoed away from it and instead criticized the President for condemning all sides by maintaining that he should have instead condemned the sides separately. You’re not just moving the goalposts. You’re launching them into orbit.

    Respectfully, I’m not an apologist for Donald Trump, and I do believe he occasionally lets his mind go on coffee break while his mouth is still running. So while I won’t go to the barricades to defend his every utterance, I do believe Mollie’s point — that there are those who are predisposed to criticize virtually everything the man does or says — remains a valid one, and one which you’ve underscored here.

    Clearly I was wrong, Dave, in my original sentence. And I always admit when I am mistaken. Actually, I do not know why I wrote it the way I did. I was thinking of that which I wrote subsequent, but stumbled over the accuracy. I apologize for that.

    I do not believe that my quickness to put my foot in my mouth excuses Trump’s behavior. It is more than just letting his mind take a coffee break. that is a cute phrase, but he did in fact pass up a chance to criticize Duke and the KKK. And I am not wrong about this. He said he did not know who Duke was, when he clearly did. Years before, on television, he went after Duke. I do not know why he does these things. I will not attempt to intuit his motives. But it is in the record.

    You are wrong about me, and unfair. Perhaps there are people who will not give the man a fair shot. I am not one of them. He is our President. For good, or for ill. And we must do what we can do to help him out. I am an American. I just wrote a piece, for example, detailing the good things he has done. Molly – and you – are wrong in this. But I will not overlook the shame his behavior has brought us. You and I are different in this regard.

    Again, respectfully.

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  14. Dave Carter Podcaster
    Dave Carter
    @DaveCarter

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Clearly I was wrong, Dave, in my original sentence. And I always admit when I am mistaken. Actually, I do not know why I wrote it the way I did. I was thinking of that which I wrote subsequent, but stumbled over the accuracy. I apologize for that.

    I do not believe that my quickness to put my foot in my mouth excuses Trump’s behavior. It is more than just letting his mind take a coffee break. that is a cute phrase, but he did in fact pass up a chance to criticize Duke and the KKK. And I am not wrong about this. He said he did not know who Duke was, when he clearly did. Years before, on television, he went after Duke. I do not know why he does these things. I will not attempt to intuit his motives. But it is in the record.

    You are wrong about me, and unfair. Perhaps there are people who will not give the man a fair shot. I am not one of them. He is our President. For good, or for ill. And we must do what we can do to help him out. I am an American. I just wrote a piece, for example, detailing the good things he has done. Molly – and you – are wrong in this. But I will not overlook the shame his behavior has brought us. You and I are different in this regard.

    Again, respectfully.

    George, I’m sorry if I came across as too caustic in my reply.  I was a rather reluctant Trump voter in the general election, and did not vote for him at all in the primary.  I’ve tried to call events as I see them,…supporting the President in some areas, but quite critical in others.  That said, I see what appears to be, to me at least, so much petty sniping from folks on our side — particularly on social media — that my tolerance has worn quite thin.

    Due to the constraints on my time that result from an extremely demanding work schedule, I simply don’t have the time I once did to stay on top of the many posts here on Ricochet.  Meaning, I never saw the positive post you recently wrote, and am not aware of your cumulative commentary re; Donald Trump.  Of course I take you at your word that you are more balanced and discerning than I assumed from your commentary here, and apologize for inferring otherwise without knowing the entire story.

    As regards this specific instance, I guess we just see things differently.  I didn’t follow the David Duke issue until after the press went bananas and Trump subsequently denounced Duke to anything that even looked like a microphone ad nauseum for quite some time thereafter.  Had he a history of white supremacist sympathies, I doubt that he would have received the approval of the civil rights industrial complex,..which he did receive prior to running for office.

    If, as you say, Trump went after David Duke years ago,…and then later put his foot in his mouth,…but again went to denouncing Duke, I’m inclined to believe that he is less adept at negotiating the mine fields constructed by a ridiculously adversarial press as opposed to thinking he has latent untoward sympathies.  Personally, a denunciation of bigotry and wrong doing that highlights the miscreants on all sides in Charlottesville was sufficient evidence  to me of where his heart is, even if his style wasn’t up to everyone’s standards.  He puts his foot in his mouth, as we all do — indeed, as both you and I have done in this conversation.  We request and extend charity to people of good will in these situations, and I don’t find this President as less deserving of same.

    Thanks for clarifying, and engaging the issue, sir.

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  15. George Townsend Inactive
    George Townsend
    @GeorgeTownsend

    Dave Carter (View Comment):
    Thanks for clarifying, and engaging the issue, sir.

    This seems to me to be a very healthy and satisfying response. We still disagree, but I do thank you for the taking the time to read what I have to say, and respond.

    If I am  not being too hectoring, may I ask an additional favor? You do seem like one who really tries to be eminently fair. To tell the truth, more so than I thought, from your interview with Mrs. Hemingway, who I do like, but do not understand at times. This is my latest post, here at Ricochet:

    http://ricochet.com/460719/trying-to-explain-trump-skepticism/

    As you say, you are very busy. But I really would appreciate some input from you on it. As you might see, some of my antagonists did not seem to appreciate the care I tried to put into it. I did mean it to be a fair and honest expression of what is in my heart.

    Thank you, sir, and I do look forward to anything you might have to tell me. Don’t be afraid to tell it as you see it. I’m a big boy! :-)

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  16. Dave Carter Podcaster
    Dave Carter
    @DaveCarter

    I’ll be happy to have a look, George.  I just finished spending an afternoon writing a post of my own,…so my reward is time at the gym followed by a good meal,…so it will be a little later tonight.  Thank again!

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  17. George Townsend Inactive
    George Townsend
    @GeorgeTownsend

    Dave Carter (View Comment):
    I’ll be happy to have a look, George. I just finished spending an afternoon writing a post of my own,…so my reward is time at the gym followed by a good meal,…so it will be a little later tonight. Thank again!

    Enjoy the gym. I have one in my condo, and I know how hard it is go down there. :-)

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