Our elections are clearly not secure. By design.

 

FBI Director Christopher Wray, via Wikimedia Commons

Brian Kennedy of The Claremont Institute has an article up that would have been viewed as a wild-eyed conspiracy theory fairly recently.  Something you might find in a fever-swamp internet chat room, not in The Claremont Institute.  It’s a long article that makes many fascinating points.  Please read the whole thing.  But I’ll share a few highlights:

The United States is made vulnerable by being the only developed country in the world to allow for this wide-spread use of absentee ballots. Every other advanced democracy conducts their elections in person, with identification shown, on paper ballots counted by large groups of people transparently tallying vote totals with the results available the same day of the election. In states around America, Secretaries of State have allowed or been part of the development of elections systems that would appear to be designed to allow for fraud. So whether not an election is stolen, a free and fair election system has been stolen from the American people.

No serious person believes the 2020 election was fair. The signature anomaly, the middle of the night pause in counting in the six swing states—where President Trump was in the lead at the start of the pause, only to have the count resume with Joe Biden ahead—is all one needs to know.

The election of 2020 was decided—most likely—by the illegal collection and production of absentee ballots by a variety of front groups whose purpose was to steal the election. It is not possible to demonstrate with absolute certitude this assertion because there was no real investigation of the election and its many anomalies. Historic numbers of absentee ballots were returned, the chain of custody of ballots was either missing or defective, and signature verification was in many states nearly non-existent. Under the letter of the law, many key states were unable to certify their elections legitimately.

Citizen groups that did investigate were treated not only with contempt, but as if their civic actions were criminal in nature. Charges of Trump supporters being election-deniers became the dominant narrative throughout the left-wing media that only four years prior had supported similar claims from Hillary Clinton and her supporters, claims that remain to this day.

One would think that a legitimately elected president would have been eager to demonstrate to the world the legitimacy of America’s political system. This was not the case. Indeed, raising the question of election irregularities was met with lawfare and intimidation. For many Americans this merely reinforced the illegitimacy of the election and therefore the Biden presidency itself.

Sorry for the long quote, but again, it’s a long article.  Read the whole thing.  He also points out that the federal officials who are overseeing our elections are the same ones who decided to raid Mar-a-Lago and are not likely to be impartial.  He also notes that foreign actors are likely to show an interest in our election system if it is accessible.

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But he concludes by pointing out that unless we return to elections that occur on one day, where people show up to voting places, show ID, vote under the supervision of other people, then still other people count those votes while being openly monitored by still other people, then we have to presume that our elections are not secure.

In fact, using computer software to count mail-in ballots with no oversight is a system that would appear to be designed to allow for election fraud.  So why are we doing it?

I can think of only one answer to that question.  And I don’t like that answer.

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  1. Red Herring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    Unchecked corruption over the years has led to the expansion of corruption. Perhaps it is too late to undo it.

     

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  2. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    Dr. Bastiat:

    But he concludes by pointing out that unless we return to elections which occur on one day, where people show up to voting places, show ID, vote under the supervision of other people, then still other people count those votes while being openly monitored by still other people, then we have to presume that our elections are not secure.

    In fact, using computer software to count mail in ballots with no oversight is a system that would appear to be designed to allow for election fraud.  So why are we doing it?

    Well said. Exactly right.

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  3. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    I’m in the middle of the Fourth of July celebration where I live, so I saw this last week and haven’t had a chance to follow up, but our own Nanocelt the Contrarian (@NanoceltTheContrarian) said in a post that there is now evidence that the Dominion vote counting computers were indeed hacked. 

    If it’s a computer that is connected to any other computer, it can be hacked. I am not an election denier. I am a realist living in the twenty-first century. 

    And any government-attached company that would call itself “Dominion” needs a normal person to advise it that “Dominion” is a sketchy, chills-inducing name. :)

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  4. namlliT noD Member
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    @DonTillman

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  5. philo Member
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    @philo

    Dr. Bastiat: [Brian Kennedy:] In states around America, Secretaries of State have allowed or been part of the development of elections systems that would appear to be designed to allow for fraud.

    All done in plain sight…they don’t even try to hide it. (The blatancy is the point…the more absurd, the stronger the effect.)

     

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  6. EODmom Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: [Brian Kennedy:] In states around America, Secretaries of State have allowed or been part of the development of elections systems that would appear to be designed to allow for fraud.

    All done in plain sight…they don’t even try to hide it. (The blatancy is the point…the more absurd, the stronger the effect.)

     

    George Soros made electing radical secretaries of state in a majority of states a priority beginning 30 years ago (based on earliest memory or awareness of his name and that office.)  I’d say he was successful. At the time it was a “Who cares?” kind of office, but some slick players have changed the landscape entirely. 

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  7. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    The “vote on one day and one day only” is not going to fly in today’s world.  However, Lara Trump and the present RNC appear to be aware of election integrity issues and have promised to spend  accordingly.  Perhaps the legacy of  Rona McDaniel can be erased.  

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  8. namlliT noD Member
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    @DonTillman

    Dr. Bastiat: Our elections are clearly not secure. By design.

    An election system that was secure by design would be open and transparent, so everything could be checked, and include a mechanism that would actively look for potential problems, fix them, and test those fixes. 

    The current design is not transparent, and subjects those who question it to lawsuits, arrest, and imprisonment.

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  9. Old Bathos Member
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    Ozzie Meyers (corrupt former congressman) was later convicted in 2020 for bribing a guy who “rang up” votes on voting machines in Philadelphia and then certified the result (the guy was the election judge). There are some interesting things to note here. (1) This happened in four previous elections but was not discovered for several years; (2) As with similar cheating cases in GA and MS, it was always in Democrat primaries (oddly enough, law enforcement almost never discovers similar acts in general elections–Democrats won’t stand for intraparty cheating): (3) it only took one well-placed guy to fix results in local precincts, what if he were higher up the chain–or part of a larger and smarter group?

    Even requiring voting in person is no guarantee if the registrations are bogus and no ID is required. John Thune lost his first run for the Senate because of a late surge in registrations on or near the rez. GOP poll watchers were calling HQ complaining that some voters were showing up, giving a name and if that person already voted they would give another name until one was available and claim to be that one. Brazen but not illegal unless ID was required.

    And keeping the rolls and methods tidy is bad for “our democracy” because it makes it harder to do recount mischief–Al Franken’s miraculous win required suspect absentee ballots to be counted, some twice when the three-card monte shuffle was completed. Al Gore would have likely have won if he could have shaken a few chads loose in Dade County.

    And there is the heroic comeback of Gov. Christine Gregoire with a last minute vote discovery from Seattle to overcome a deficit already narrowed by a hand recount (Democrats always gain votes in close elections for some reason).

    The simultaneous late pause preceding the 2020 swing state surge  for Biden is suspect on its face. It is frustrating that there is still no satisfactory explanation about the mechanics of manipulation nor a plausible innocent explanation.

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  10. philo Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: [Brian Kennedy:] The election of 2020 was decided—most likely—by the illegal collection and production of absentee ballots by a variety of front groups whose purpose was to steal the election. It is not possible to demonstrate with absolute certitude this assertion because there was no real investigation of the election and its many anomalies.

    If I remember correctly, a trial run for this basic approach to ballot harvesting was executed to near perfection in Orange County CA in 2018. They telegraphed it was coming…the RNC and many of the corresponding state organizations either missed it or just went along with it. 

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    Why do we want secure elections?  Russia has some of the most secure elections in the world.  Is that what we want for the U.S.A.?  

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Our elections are clearly not secure. By design.

    An election system that was secure by design would be open and transparent, so everything could be checked, and include a mechanism that would actively look for potential problems, fix them, and test those fixes.

    The current design is not transparent, and subjects those who question it to lawsuits, arrest, and imprisonment.

    It seems to me that, especially to be serious about preventing deliberate fraud in addition to accidental mistakes, any automated system must be monitored and backed-up so severely that it would be better to just do it all manually in the first place.

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  13. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I’m in the middle of the Fourth of July celebration where I live, so I saw this last week and haven’t had a chance to follow up, but our own Nanocelt the Contrarian (@ NanoceltTheContrarian) said in a post that there is now evidence that the Dominion vote counting computers were indeed hacked.

    If it’s a computer that is connected to any other computer, it can be hacked. I am not an election denier. I am a realist living in the twenty-first century.

    And any government-attached company that would call itself “Dominion” needs a normal person to advise it that “Dominion” is a sketchy, chills-inducing name. :)

    The statement was that the Dominion voting machines are easily hackable. That was from an article about States starting to move away from Dominion voting machines, because the machines  are problematic. I have no demonstrable evidence that they were hacked (except as alluded to in this citation by Dr. Bastiat and the events of the election, which point very strongly in that direction). That it is possible, when we have been told repeatedly that it is beyond the realm of the possible, by the same people (and many others) who told us the Hunter laptop had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation (insinuating that with their security clearances in hand they were in a position to know–now some of those officials have acknowledged that they signed the statement to prevent Trump from winning, at a time when the intelligence community knew for certain the laptop was Hunter’s–which is a no brainer, as from the outset it was abundantly clear that the laptop was Hunter’s and could not possibly have been Russian disinformation–which only shows how dumb, or gullible, or susceptible to suggestion the IC  thinks are American voters), is a clear indication of how the IC lies, and in this case how the IC was involved in rigging an American election. They have long since been out of the business of toppling Iranian popularly elected governments (1953) and overthrowing popularly elected Chilean governments (Allende 1973), or running Dictators in our hemisphere like El Chivo Trujillo, whom the CIA ultimately decided to assassinate, then changed their mind, but then were unable to stop the assassination (see “La Fiesta del ChiVo” by Mario Vargas Llosa). Their focus most recently has been toppling elected American governments, and cashiering the candidates they oppose. Just as they are no longer concerned about the Islamic State or any other terrorist organization, and are laser focused on American Christians, pro lifers,  Latin Mass Catholics, and MAGA supporters. 

    Now we have both Barack and Clinton averring that Biden’s debate performance was just a bad day, which could happen to anyone (not clear if they are going to stick with Biden or if this is just a ploy to get the media to calm down and shut up while they take care of the problem behind closed doors). 

    The most laughable, and oft repeated line is that “…Joe Biden is a good man, but should step down” for the good of the Party or the country or whatever. 

    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office. That he could be sold to American voters as a “return to normalcy” is irrefutable evidence that Americans are incompetent to engage in self government. He was the dumbest, most vile partisan hack in Washington for the last half century, plagiarizing not only in Law School, but also on the stump, claiming Kinock’s biography as his own, giving us Borking, supporting the IRA, supporting the dirty trick of the Clarence Thomas hearings, and etc. Remember Biden holding up Richard Epstein’s book:” Takings: Private Property and the  Power of Eminent Domain” and denouncing the book and demanding to know if Thomas would denounce the book? Are you kidding me? I’m sure Biden never read the book, and had no idea what it said (unless someone explained it to him), but it was from the pen of that evil Libertarian (I use the term loosely) Richard Epstein, the soles of whose shoes Biden is not intellectually qualified, then or now, to lick. Biden had supported Ted Kennedy in his effort to collude with the Soviets against Reagan, been mentored by racists and segregationists, and etc, and etc. 

    And while I am on my soapbox, it may be that the Democrats pull another Torricelli. Their maneuvers to replace him then were illegal all over the map, but who cared?  Lautenberg had a long and distinguished Senate career both before and after replacing him on the ballot. After Frank Pallone declined to run, other considered candidates, Bill Bradley, and even Robert Menendez, refused to enter the race.

    Democratic voters then had no choice, just as Democratic voters in this election cycle have had no say in the election process. There were no credible opponents to Biden. Obama et al made sure of that. There was no real primary, even through many (most?) Democrats felt he should not run and did not want him to run. So Biden was propped up by Obama and Party officials.Now if there is a replacement candidate, Democrat voters will have no say in the process, only a pro forma rubber stamp if that. And if that replacement wins the election, how will it be possible to claim that such a candidate was “democratically” elected? It won’t be. And that is what Democrats call “Our Democracy” which is as close to a Soviet system as any other political system on the planet. 

    (If CNN read this, they would label it false, as they did  most of the true statements Trump made in the debate; who am I to argue)

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  14. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: [Brian Kennedy:] In states around America, Secretaries of State have allowed or been part of the development of elections systems that would appear to be designed to allow for fraud.

    All done in plain sight…they don’t even try to hide it. (The blatancy is the point…the more absurd, the stronger the effect.)

     

    George Soros made electing radical secretaries of state in a majority of states a priority beginning 30 years ago (based on earliest memory or awareness of his name and that office.) I’d say he was successful. At the time it was a “Who cares?” kind of office, but some slick players have changed the landscape entirely.

    Raffesperger in Georgia was not supported by Soros, but was one of the worst. But then Georgia has a very long tradition of fraudulent elections, and pretty much all of the Democrats cum Republicans running the State are well practiced in election fraud, and quite creative at it.

     

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  15. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office. That he could be sold to American voters as a “return to normalcy” is irrefutable evidence that Americans are incompetent to engage in self government.

    Seconded.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office. That he could be sold to American voters as a “return to normalcy” is irrefutable evidence that Americans are incompetent to engage in self government.

    Well, not all of us.  Just the stupid ones.  Those who probably didn’t vote much, until it became too easy, and/or until their mail-in ballots were actually voted by other people.

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  17. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office.

    Amen, brother. I lived in Philadelphia when he slithered onto the scene, and the Philly papers covered the bigger elections in Delaware. He was not for one second impressive, and his behavior in the Senate was reprehensible, from palling around with segregationists to running lynching attempts at Supreme Court justices, some successful.

    Did I mention that I hate him with the heat of a thousand suns?

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  18. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    there is also the left fight against mandatory ID laws for voting. (remember FJB calling the GA voting laws “Worse than Jim Crow”).

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    there is also the left fight against mandatory ID laws for voting. (remember FJB calling the GA voting laws “Worse than Jim Crow”).

    Yes I remember that, and how the Delaware voting laws are even more strict. Also how MLB moved an all-star game from Georgia to Colorado, which also has more strict voting laws than Georgia.

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  20. EODmom Coolidge
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    @EODmom

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office. That he could be sold to American voters as a “return to normalcy” is irrefutable evidence that Americans are incompetent to engage in self government.

    Seconded.

    We had a game over dinner last night: name an historical figure who was as corrupt and personally repellent as Biden. Extra credit for one with a family dysfunction to go along with. He’s not the first ever – we’ve just been spared  such degradation in our civic life in at least modern times. Go on – try it. Claudius came up. Different players in the War of the Roses. Try it. 

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  21. Kozak Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office. That he could be sold to American voters as a “return to normalcy” is irrefutable evidence that Americans are incompetent to engage in self government.

    Seconded.

    We had a game over dinner last night: name an historical figure who was as corrupt and personally repellent as Biden. Extra credit for one with a family dysfunction to go along with. He’s not the first ever – we’ve just been spared such degradation in our civic life in at least modern times. Go on – try it. Claudius came up. Different players in the War of the Roses. Try it.

    I’ll take who is Rodrigo Borja for 200 Alex…

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  22. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    Dr. Bastiat: No serious person believes the 2020 election was fair. The signature anomaly, the middle of the night pause in counting in the six swing states—where President Trump was in the lead at the start of the pause, only to have the count resume with Joe Biden ahead—is all one needs to know.

    If anyone thinks 2024 is going to be any different than 2020 is I have a bridge I want to sell you.

    With the added benefit of knowing what they did to the Jan 6 protestors if you decide to contest it.

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  23. Kozak Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    The “vote on one day and one day only” is not going to fly in today’s world. However, Lara Trump and the present RNC appear to be aware of election integrity issues and have promised to spend accordingly. Perhaps the legacy of Rona McDaniel can be erased.

    So every other country manages this feat, but we can’t?

     

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  24. Kozak Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Member Old Bathos @OldBathos 2:52 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 29, 2024

    Ozzie Meyers (corrupt former congressman) was later convicted in 2020 for bribing a guy who “rang up” votes on voting machines in Philadelphia and then certified the result (the guy was the election judge).

    I grew up in Chicago. Back in the day our local Democratic Precinct captain “Johnny” ( whose city job was bridge tender on the Western Ave bridge, that had its lift motors removed in WW2 to go to a shipyard on the West coast…)  asked my sister to be the local Republican election judge.  Go figure.   My parents were registered Democrats because, Chicago.  We owned a 6 flat apartment building. Technically, should not get city trash pickup, but Johnny arranged it ( same for the entire block).  Also Chicago had the strictest building codes in the country. No building could pass code if they looked closely.  So my parents voted in the Democratic primary ( always ignoring Johnny’s direction) and voted Republican in the general election.  Hey, my parents had had the experience of living in the USSR and Nazi Germany. They had developed some survival skills useful in Chicago.

    She took the gig for extra cash.  On election day when she showed up, the voting machines already had a lot of votes registered.   Then Johnny showed up.   Those machines had a lever you pulled to close a curtain. You then voted and when you pulled the lever again to open a bell rang and your vote was recorded.  Johnny proceeds to go from machine to machine, and my sister said it sounded like the Carol of the Bells. Ding. Dong. Ding. Dong.  Multiply by hundreds if not thousands of precincts in the city.

    And thats The Chicago Way.

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  25. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Member Old Bathos @ OldBathos 2:52 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 29, 2024

    Ozzie Meyers (corrupt former congressman) was later convicted in 2020 for bribing a guy who “rang up” votes on voting machines in Philadelphia and then certified the result (the guy was the election judge).

    I grew up in Chicago. Back in the day our local Democratic Precinct captain “Johnny” ( whose city job was bridge tender on the Western Ave bridge, that had its lift motors removed in WW2 to go to a shipyard on the West coast…) asked my sister to be the local Republican election judge. Go figure. My parents were registered Democrats because, Chicago. We owned a 6 flat apartment building. Technically, should not get city trash pickup, but Johnny arranged it ( same for the entire block). Also Chicago had the strictest building codes in the country. No building could pass code if they looked closely. So my parents voted in the Democratic primary ( always ignoring Johnny’s direction) and voted Republican in the general election. Hey, my parents had had the experience of living in the USSR and Nazi Germany. They had developed some survival skills useful in Chicago.

    She took the gig for extra cash. On election day when she showed up, the voting machines already had a lot of votes registered. Then Johnny showed up. Those machines had a lever you pulled to close a curtain. You then voted and when you pulled the lever again to open a bell rang and your vote was recorded. Johnny proceeds to go from machine to machine, and my sister said it sounded like the Carol of the Bells. Ding. Dong. Ding. Dong. Multiply by hundreds if not thousands of precincts in the city.

    And thats The Chicago Way.

    And the American way.

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  26. Kozak Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Member Old Bathos @ OldBathos 2:52 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 29, 2024

    Ozzie Meyers (corrupt former congressman) was later convicted in 2020 for bribing a guy who “rang up” votes on voting machines in Philadelphia and then certified the result (the guy was the election judge).

    I grew up in Chicago. Back in the day our local Democratic Precinct captain “Johnny” ( whose city job was bridge tender on the Western Ave bridge, that had its lift motors removed in WW2 to go to a shipyard on the West coast…) asked my sister to be the local Republican election judge. Go figure. My parents were registered Democrats because, Chicago. We owned a 6 flat apartment building. Technically, should not get city trash pickup, but Johnny arranged it ( same for the entire block). Also Chicago had the strictest building codes in the country. No building could pass code if they looked closely. So my parents voted in the Democratic primary ( always ignoring Johnny’s direction) and voted Republican in the general election. Hey, my parents had had the experience of living in the USSR and Nazi Germany. They had developed some survival skills useful in Chicago.

    She took the gig for extra cash. On election day when she showed up, the voting machines already had a lot of votes registered. Then Johnny showed up. Those machines had a lever you pulled to close a curtain. You then voted and when you pulled the lever again to open a bell rang and your vote was recorded. Johnny proceeds to go from machine to machine, and my sister said it sounded like the Carol of the Bells. Ding. Dong. Ding. Dong. Multiply by hundreds if not thousands of precincts in the city.

    And thats The Chicago Way.

    And the American way.

    Definitely the Democratic way.

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  27. aardo vozz Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office. That he could be sold to American voters as a “return to normalcy” is irrefutable evidence that Americans are incompetent to engage in self government.

    Seconded.

    We had a game over dinner last night: name an historical figure who was as corrupt and personally repellent as Biden. Extra credit for one with a family dysfunction to go along with. He’s not the first ever – we’ve just been spared such degradation in our civic life in at least modern times. Go on – try it. Claudius came up. Different players in the War of the Roses. Try it.

    Nero , Herod, Caligula, Mithridates….🤔

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  28. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    The left screams ‘Racism’ at every attempt to secure the elections and weak kneed people run for cover and give them whatever they demand. They should made to present some number of people who CANNOT obtain ID and have them questioned as to why. 

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  29. philo Member
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    aardo vozz (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Biden was never a good man. He is one of the most vile individuals ever to grace federal office. That he could be sold to American voters as a “return to normalcy” is irrefutable evidence that Americans are incompetent to engage in self government.

    Seconded.

    We had a game over dinner last night: name an historical figure who was as corrupt and personally repellent as Biden. Extra credit for one with a family dysfunction to go along with. He’s not the first ever – we’ve just been spared such degradation in our civic life in at least modern times. Go on – try it. Claudius came up. Different players in the War of the Roses. Try it.

    Nero , Herod, Caligula, Mithridates….🤔

    Cataline? The American Cataline?

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  30. J Climacus Member
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    The fraud will happen because no one that matters really wants to stop it. Democrats won’t stop it for obvious reasons. The Republican Establishment hates Trump and if it takes fraudulent votes to keep him out of office, they will stay silent about it. I think they secretly prefer being in the opposition anyway, because then they can make all kinds of conservative promises without ever having to actually deliver on them.

    That the RNC is recruiting an army of lawyers to challenge election results is laughable.  They will initiate legal challenges after the election, but it’s just performance art to kid people into thinking they really care. The only legal action that matters is legal action before the election to prevent fraud from happening in the first place. Once it has happened, as we have learned from the last few elections, there is little that can be done about it. But they can claim they tried.

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