I Wish We Did Not Know Happens Next

 

Tough to argue with anything in Andy McCarthy’s closing analysis here:  Merchan and Trump Conceal the Holes in Bragg’s Case

It is highly likely that former president Trump will be convicted at his criminal trial in Manhattan. Here’s why.

First, with the help of Judge Juan Merchan and none other than Donald Trump, prosecutors from the office of elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg have effectively concealed what should have been fatal holes in their case.

The “holes” for the Trump side he admits were tactical and, though significant, unlikely to have made much difference given the extent and depth of the rigging of this circus.

After a conviction of any kind, the left will ramp up to eleven on the “Trump as felon” narrative, and the anger on the right will boil over in response. There will be efforts to disqualify Trump from the ballot, and a very orchestrated preemptive political attack from the media and Congressional Democrats on SCOTUS to either prevent an appeal or to discredit the court and their decision as partisan — proof of the need to pack the court or personally destroy conservative justices.

Those who’ve openly spat on the rule of law will loudly claim to be its protectors.  They will dust off the same winning message from 2020 that the only way to get rid of the constant, loud anti-Trump unpleasantness generated overwhelmingly by the left is to get rid of Trump.

It is all so predictable and so tiresome.  But it is coming, and America’s prayer that this cup be passed will likely be denied.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Old Bathos: t is all so predictable and so tiresome.  But it is coming and America’s prayer that this cup be passed will likely be denied.

    Half the nation wants this Cup. 

    Over Half, because it includes Never Trump wanting it.

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Also, just can’t help himself and has to attack Trump. 

     

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  3. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    Is there some reason for hope that a New York jury isn’t quite as bad as a DC jury?

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  5. MarciN Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    Is there some reason for hope that a New York jury isn’t quite as bad as a DC jury?

    Not that I know of. 

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    Is there some reason for hope that a New York jury isn’t quite as bad as a DC jury?

    Not that I know of.

    Well, New York is more white than DC, so there is that.

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  7. Barfly Member
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    Old Bathos:

    Tough to argue with anything in Andy McCarthy’s closing analysis here:  Merchan and Trump Conceal the Holes in Bragg’s Case

    It is highly likely that former president Trump will be convicted at his criminal trial in Manhattan. Here’s why.

    First, with the help of Judge Juan Merchan and none other than Donald Trump, prosecutors from the office of elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg have effectively concealed what should have been fatal holes in their case.

    The “holes” for the Trump side he admits were tactical and though significant, unlikely to have made much difference given the extent and depth of the rigging of this circus.

    Except for the part where McCarthy throws shade on Trump by equating his “tactical errors” with Merchan’s corruption. I can argue with that. Poor old deep state cheerleader just can’t help himself.

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  8. Django Member
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    @Django

    And Slow Joe will decide that he should not besmirch the office of the president by standing, or more likely, sitting, on a debate stage with a convicted felon and drop out of the debates. 

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    And Slow Joe will decide that he should not besmirch the office of the president by standing, or more likely, sitting, on a debate stage with a convicted felon and drop out of the debates.

    Which won’t fool anyone except maybe for those who were always going to vote for FJB anyway.

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  10. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I don’t think so.  I have been on a jury a couple of times and everyone tries to be methodical and professional.  More counts just means more paperwork, but people will decide quickly then talk for a while to get comfortable and then do the paperwork.  Sometimes people want to “sleep on it” and finish up in the morning.  

    In this case there will be a lot of discussion about what the underlying crime is.  There will not be consensus on anything, so I think they will agree that nothing was proved.  I expect an acquittal.   This is not the Derek Chauvin trail where jurors feared for lives, if they chose wrong.  New Yorkers are defiant.  Betting sites say 60/40 to convict.

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  11. Django Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof: 

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard? 

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  12. Barfly Member
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    Django (View Comment):
    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard? 

    Riker’s Island – is that where Epstein didn’t kill himself?

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  13. Django Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    Riker’s Island – is that where Epstein didn’t kill himself?

    Neither did The Orange One . . . well, not yet anyway.

    Actually Epstein didn’t kill himself in many places, one of which was the Metropolitan Correctional Center.

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof:

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    I’m curious what the basis would be for prison already before any appeal is heard.  I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if Merchan ordered that, but that alone should be easily appealed and overruled/stayed.

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  15. Django Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof:

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    I’m curious what the basis would be for prison already before any appeal is heard. I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if Merchan ordered that, but that alone should be easily appealed and overruled/stayed.

    I took the link and quote from this story: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/breaking-stalinist-judge-merchan-directs-jury-choose-among/

    I’ve wondered if the judge is incompetent or wants to see Trump go free AFTER the election is settled. 

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  16. cdor Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Also, just can’t help himself and has to attack Trump.

     

    I was wondering what did Trump do? From McCarthy(?): “First, with the help of Judge Juan Merchan and none other than Donald Trump, prosecutors from the office of elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg have effectively concealed what should have been fatal holes in their case.”

    It took several paragraphs into the article to get to the discussion of the lead sentence and why Trump was at fault. McCarthy thinks that Trump’s insistence that he did not have sex with Daniels or McDougal was not believable because no one would accept Trump would pay an NDA if he hadn’t done the dirty deed. I actually agree with that, as I had thought the exact same thing when it came up in the trial. McCarthy reasons that by lying on so obvious a point, Trump became unbelievable as a defendant. I don’t think anything Trump did or did not do would change anything in this trial. I believe so much pressure is on the jurors that none of them would vote to acquit. But maybe a miracle will happen.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof:

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    I’m curious what the basis would be for prison already before any appeal is heard. I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if Merchan ordered that, but that alone should be easily appealed and overruled/stayed.

    I took the link and quote from this story: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/breaking-stalinist-judge-merchan-directs-jury-choose-among/

    I’ve wondered if the judge is incompetent or wants to see Trump go free AFTER the election is settled.

    Probably would prefer the death penalty but, dangit, just couldn’t find a way to go THAT far.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Also, just can’t help himself and has to attack Trump.

     

    I was wondering what did Trump do? From McCarthy(?): “First, with the help of Judge Juan Merchan and none other than Donald Trump, prosecutors from the office of elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg have effectively concealed what should have been fatal holes in their case.”

    It took several paragraphs into the article to get to the discussion of the lead sentence and why Trump was at fault. McCarthy thinks that Trump’s insistence that he did not have sex with Daniels or McDougal was not believable because no one would accept Trump would pay an NDA if he hadn’t done the dirty deed. I actually agree with that, as I had thought the exact same thing when it came up in the trial. McCarthy reasons that by lying on so obvious a point, Trump became unbelievable as a defendant. I don’t think anything Trump did or did not do would change anything in this trial. I believe so much pressure is on the jurors that none of them would vote to acquit. But maybe a miracle will happen.

    Things like the National Enquirer would be out of business if nobody ever claimed that a rich/celebrity did something that never really happened.

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  19. Fritz Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof:

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    I’m curious what the basis would be for prison already before any appeal is heard. I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if Merchan ordered that, but that alone should be easily appealed and overruled/stayed.

    Peter Navarro has joined the chat.

    • #19
  20. Barfly Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Probably would prefer the death penalty but, dangit, just couldn’t find a way to go THAT far.

    Don’t be too sure.

    Django (View Comment):

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard? 

    If they get him behind bars, he’s finished.

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  21. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof:

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    I prefer Yuval Levin but Mark Levin is fine.

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  22. Rodin Member
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    @Rodin

    If you thought Arabs cheering 9/11 generated bile in the belly, just wait until you see the libs cheering a “conviction” based on this dogs breakfast of a case. I don’t see a reconciliation coming. They will be celebrating naked power in front of people who can’t stand that sort of thinking and will be damned if they ever give in.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Fritz (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof:

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    I’m curious what the basis would be for prison already before any appeal is heard. I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if Merchan ordered that, but that alone should be easily appealed and overruled/stayed.

    Peter Navarro has joined the chat.

    Maybe, but he was never President.

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  24. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    Rodin (View Comment):

    If you thought Arabs cheering 9/11 generated bile in the belly, just wait until you see the libs cheering a “conviction” based on this dogs breakfast of a case. I don’t see a reconciliation coming. They will be celebrating naked power on front of people who can’t stand that sort of thinking and will be damned if they ever give in.

    The libs don’t see naked power. They see justice. Their thinking goes like this,

    Trump is bad so anything against Trump is just.

    The much more important concepts of judicial impartiality and innocent until proven guilty aren’t relevant because they aren’t emotionally resonant.

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  25. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Also, just can’t help himself and has to attack Trump.

     

    The takeaway from the article.  Sad.

    This is about Merchan, Merchan, and Merchan.  Did I say Merchan?

    The “good” news is the plethora of reversible errors.  The bad news is. . .  New York.

     

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  26. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    It will be over turned.  But the damage to our legal system and political system will remain.  And that is the point of it all.  Communists don’t thrive with the rule of law, that must be destroyed along with societal norms.  Hence the sudden massive onslaught of transvestites and other perverts.  

    They have no intention of ever losing an election again and they will stuff every ballot box to guarantee it.  

    People don’t act this way if they think they might have to suffer a comeuppance.

    We’re done.

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  27. Fritz Coolidge
    Fritz
    @Fritz

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Fritz (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    The sheer number of charges–34–almost ensures a guilty plea in there somewhere.

    I do not like the way modern day prosecutors work. They care about their careers, not justice. This self-centeredness is so vivid in the J6 prosecutions.

    One interesting thing happened yesterday, at least interesting to me: In his rant outside the courtroom yesterday, De Niro said that if Trump were exonerated and/or reelected, he would never leave the presidency. “He will never leave!” he screeched. That is the heart of the Democrats’ charge that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    I heard this said a lot on the Left in the runup to the 2020 election–that is, the sentiment that Trump would not leave office even if Biden won. It was a lie, and the Republicans laughed it off, but a lot of Democrats either believed it and so spread the fear for that reason or just wanted Trump to leave and hoped spreading the lie would help. That threat ramped up the emotions among Democrats, which in turn caused the Biden administration transition team to be extra aggressive, which unnerved the Republicans.

    Someday when people look at the nature of the emotional context of the events of that day, they will need to see the specter of that threat to understand it.

    There were so many people at fault for the protest going off the rails, but I would start with the Biden campaign and the Democrats for creating such a tremendous and outlandish fear of Donald Trump.

    And they are still doing this.

    Given the way the J6 prosecutions have gone, I am not hopeful that the jury will exonerate Trump. It’s a dark day.

    The fix is in. Here is the proof:

    Furthermore, the idea that jurors can pick 1 of the 3, and they don’t have to unanimously agree on which of the three, is another shocking development.

    I’ve read that the whole mess will be thrown out on appeal, but that will occur after the rigged election. On election day Trump will still be a convicted felon. Maybe in Riker’s under SS guard?

    I’m curious what the basis would be for prison already before any appeal is heard. I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if Merchan ordered that, but that alone should be easily appealed and overruled/stayed.

    Peter Navarro has joined the chat.

    Maybe, but he was never President.

    It was still an obvious thumb in the eye, to send a septuagenarian to prison while he is appealing his conviction, just because he worked in the Trump Administration and believed his work product was covered by executive privilege.

    The conviction was for contempt of Congress in refusing to comply with a subpoena. Big whoop — see Eric Holder, for example. And many others who were never prosecuted for this heinous offense, but old Navarro, the economic advisor? Yeah, consign him to the bowels of hell. What a travesty.

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  28. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Also, just can’t help himself and has to attack Trump.

     

    I was wondering what did Trump do? From McCarthy(?): “First, with the help of Judge Juan Merchan and none other than Donald Trump, prosecutors from the office of elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg have effectively concealed what should have been fatal holes in their case.”

    It took several paragraphs into the article to get to the discussion of the lead sentence and why Trump was at fault. McCarthy thinks that Trump’s insistence that he did not have sex with Daniels or McDougal was not believable because no one would accept Trump would pay an NDA if he hadn’t done the dirty deed. I actually agree with that, as I had thought the exact same thing when it came up in the trial. McCarthy reasons that by lying on so obvious a point, Trump became unbelievable as a defendant. I don’t think anything Trump did or did not do would change anything in this trial. I believe so much pressure is on the jurors that none of them would vote to acquit. But maybe a miracle will happen.

    But Trump never testified at the trial about not having sex with the women.   He never testified at all.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Also, just can’t help himself and has to attack Trump.

     

    I was wondering what did Trump do? From McCarthy(?): “First, with the help of Judge Juan Merchan and none other than Donald Trump, prosecutors from the office of elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg have effectively concealed what should have been fatal holes in their case.”

    It took several paragraphs into the article to get to the discussion of the lead sentence and why Trump was at fault. McCarthy thinks that Trump’s insistence that he did not have sex with Daniels or McDougal was not believable because no one would accept Trump would pay an NDA if he hadn’t done the dirty deed. I actually agree with that, as I had thought the exact same thing when it came up in the trial. McCarthy reasons that by lying on so obvious a point, Trump became unbelievable as a defendant. I don’t think anything Trump did or did not do would change anything in this trial. I believe so much pressure is on the jurors that none of them would vote to acquit. But maybe a miracle will happen.

    But Trump never testified at the trial about not having sex with the women. He never testified at all.

    It doesn’t seem particularly relevant, either.

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  30. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Also, just can’t help himself and has to attack Trump.

    I was wondering what did Trump do? From McCarthy(?): “First, with the help of Judge Juan Merchan and none other than Donald Trump, prosecutors from the office of elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg have effectively concealed what should have been fatal holes in their case.”

    It took several paragraphs into the article to get to the discussion of the lead sentence and why Trump was at fault. McCarthy thinks that Trump’s insistence that he did not have sex with Daniels or McDougal was not believable because no one would accept Trump would pay an NDA if he hadn’t done the dirty deed. I actually agree with that, as I had thought the exact same thing when it came up in the trial. McCarthy reasons that by lying on so obvious a point, Trump became unbelievable as a defendant. I don’t think anything Trump did or did not do would change anything in this trial. I believe so much pressure is on the jurors that none of them would vote to acquit. But maybe a miracle will happen.

    But Trump never testified at the trial about not having sex with the women. He never testified at all.

    I think his lawyers tried to establish that Trump never knew about the payment. He signed the check to Michael Cohen, according to what his lawyers  tried to establish, as a matter of pro forma check signing for expenses in a large corporation. It was all set up according to Trump lawyers by Michael Cohen . I do not believe the defense theory was ever disproven by the prosecution. I am not sure I buy that, but it doesn’t make Trump guilty anyway because the NDA was not a crime in the first place.

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